Cyclops vs. Spider-man

Originally posted by Lord-of-Dreams
Dude. Rhino had just stomped him. RHINO. Is he better than the factor? So what makes Spidey so great? They just pumped him up a bunch so he'd look good. And I think that you are forgeting a very important factor: The beam isn't all Cyke is gonna do. He's not standing there shooting is he? Of course not. He's gonna run, he's gonna throw some punches. He's not as strong or fast or agile, of course!! But he has fought guys stronger/faster/agile. And he won. Nightcrawler...
We have reviewed and re-reviewed Spidey's abilities, but we've really only looked at one aspect of Scott's capabilities. Am I the only one who noticed?? Funny.

I do not doubt that if Cyke were to hit Spidey with an optic blast that Spidey wouldn't be down for the count, heck, with the right amount of force behind it Spidey would be killed. But that's the thing, Spidey has so many options to turn to what with pre cog heightening his already superhuman reflexes, speed, elasticity to maneuver himself gracefully in the air for multiple aerial attacks that would undoubtedly kill Cyke before he even got a chance to look up, and agility, to make it look easy (when it isn't).

I'm not saying that Cyclops is some kind of fly when compared to some, even most bricks, but when he's got a guy like Spidey on his case, a guy that pretty much outclasses him in every physical aspect, I wouldn't make Cyclops being an experienced tactician a giant factor for a fight between the two. And of course, what's to stop Spidey from using his webbing to catch the edge over Cyclops, not to say that it's some kind of necesscity or anything like that, but that doesn't mean that Spidey would overrule the option of using it. He could just latch onto Cyclops at the starting bell and yank him to the side while dodging a then off-target optic blast. To follow up, he could yank Cyclops high into the air again, detaching the web-line and sending him slungshot through the air while avoiding a few rogue blasts here and there. Need I explain what happens after Cyclops lands from so flying so high up? I mean, I don't doubt that, when putting Spidey's superhuman strength into perspective, he couldn't throw Cyclops so high into the air. Especially when you factor in the strength of the webbing.

This is for Lord-of-Dreams
Cyclops beams comes from a Dimension of Energy. If you want to know what I am saying go to the www.marveldirectory.com and read it.

And I thought everyone who goes to this forum read comics and review it before posting.

this is more or less from UXM.net

cyclops absorbs ambient energy to open a dimensional aperture in his eyes that opens up in a dimension of pure energy. then this concussive energy shoots out. the end.

cyclops will win.

I'm Glad somebody knows what I'm talking about

Spiderman can be hit because he has been punched by "Normal Criminals", "Kingpin"(only human), Hammerhead and lots of Heroes and Villains who is not as Strong, Fast, Agile, No Spider sense as Spiderman.

And just like Aunt May said " He's not Superman"

i dont see why every one thinks that scott is just gonna stand there like an idiot and let peter have his way with him. besides even the few blasts that spidy will dodge, its not like its NOT gonna completely destroy whatever it collides with. so not only is he gonna have to contend with getting his freaking block knocked off by direct shots, but all the rubble and shit thats gonna collapse on him(especially since all the spidy supporters want them to fight in the city)

Originally posted by Lord-of-Dreams
Dude. Rhino had just stomped him. RHINO. Is he better than the factor?

Dude. Rhino had just stomped him. RHINO. Is he better than the factor? So what makes Spidey so great?

They just pumped him up a bunch so he'd look good.

Yeah right.

And I think that you are forgeting a very important factor: The beam isn't all Cyke is gonna do. He's not standing there shooting is he? Of course not. He's gonna run, he's gonna throw some punches.

We have reviewed and re-reviewed Spidey's abilities, but we've really only looked at one aspect of Scott's capabilities. Am I the only one who noticed?? Funny.

Heh. Next time copy my whole post, 'cuz I said that Scott's physical attack doesn't mean much! I posted it, don't try to twist my own words. Spidey has been knocked down on many occasions by street gangs, what makes you think Scott couldn't do it? And Spidey also has to deal with the beam. Not easy to dodge, even for SM.
And Spidey has messed up a Scott-team twice (that I've seen) I won't even try to attempt to count the amount of times I've seen Scott go hot turkey (crappy joke 😉).
What ever happened to your Spidey endurance? He can take a blast from Scott but not a headbutt from Rhino? You sure, pal?? Furthermore, you did not addresse Spidey's sickness, which one would think is an important arguement. Therefore, it should be stricken from the records as invalid and should be noted (lawyer stuffs, my dad is one and we argue a lot...)

Originally posted by Lord-of-Dreams
Heh. Next time copy my whole post, 'cuz I said that Scott's physical attack doesn't mean much! I posted it, don't try to twist my own words. Spidey has been knocked down on many occasions by street gangs, what makes you think Scott couldn't do it? And Spidey also has to deal with the beam. Not easy to dodge, even for SM.
And Spidey has messed up a Scott-team twice (that I've seen) I won't even try to attempt to count the amount of times I've seen Scott go hot turkey (crappy joke 😉).
What ever happened to your Spidey endurance? He can take a blast from Scott but not a headbutt from Rhino? You sure, pal?? Furthermore, you did not addresse Spidey's sickness, which one would think is an important arguement. Therefore, it should be stricken from the records as invalid and should be noted (lawyer stuffs, my dad is one and we argue a lot...)

And just becuase a street gang knocked him down doesn't mean he couldn't have gotten back up, brushed his shoulder off, and beat the everlovin' crap out of each and every one of them one by one (all the while pulling his punches). Besides, I doubt that getting knocked down matters much to Spidey, now when he's knocked down and he's hurt, well, that's another story.....

And nobody said that it would be easy for Spidey to dodge an optic blast from Cyke, just that he could.

And Spidey can and has taken headbutts from Rhino, and this is just coming from my perspective and comic evidence.

And I won't even address the argument over Spidey's endurance.....I'll only leave it at, he's got alot more of it than Scott no doubt, and drop the matter.

I won't get into the sickness argument anymore than by saying this.....what sickness could possibly weaken Spidey to the point where a punch from him wouldn't kill Cyke (an unpulled or more forceful than usual one). Somehow I can't see Spidey's sprouting four arms due to his mutation causing holding him back, and I don't think Spidey would fall to his knees from a sudden attack from the flu. But, then again, these points may not even matter to the real argument behind all this talk so, you can just take this as my $0.02 and leave it that or whatever.

You just proved my point. If Scott can get SM down, he wins. The split second it takes for SM to start going down and rebound up, he's been shot into the ground. From that point, Scott can just stand ovre SM wiht his blast on high. And yea, a lot of you say that SM dodges easy.
My point about Spidey's endurance is that he should not have been injured in any way by Rhino. At all. I said nothing about Scott's endurance. Wait yes I did. I admitted that he was not as strong/fast/durable/etc. The whole 'spidey was sick, ingured and drunk' story is lame. Its those disadvantages that prove that he was pumped up. Why would they do that. Its stupid.

Originally posted by Lord-of-Dreams
You just proved my point. If Scott can get SM down, he wins. The split second it takes for SM to start going down and rebound up, he's been shot into the ground. From that point, Scott can just stand ovre SM wiht his blast on high. And yea, a lot of you say that SM dodges easy.
My point about Spidey's endurance is that he should not have been injured in any way by Rhino. At all. I said nothing about Scott's endurance. Wait yes I did. I admitted that he was not as strong/fast/durable/etc. The whole 'spidey was sick, ingured and drunk' story is lame. Its those disadvantages that prove that he was pumped up. Why would they do that. Its stupid.

And Spidey can and has danced around guys like Rhino and Hulk plenty of times, as he could do basically for an entire battle with them. But if a writer were to do something like that, then that would make the battle and the comic itself pretty uninteresting.

And Spidey isn't "pumped up" by any means. The only time he gets a boost is when he's in some kind of rage and coursing with adrenaline. Spidey takes charges from Rhino regularly and often trades punches with the guy. And while I'd admit that Spidey couldn't just take the abuse for a whole issue before getting laid out, he could definitely roll with it for more than a few panels. He's obviously tough enough to do so when he's oriented, being disoriented should only make it seem worse than usual, quite a bit more, but I wouldn't be surprused if it didn't parlyze him or anything like that.

Why all of you think that Cyclops is just a normal robbers that Spiderman will beat. Almost all of you are not analyzing that Cyclops is a Great Fighter and he has Powerful Optic Blast that with a minimal adjustment to his visor he can pulvurize a people or even if it's a metal. And don't think that Cyclops cannot hit Spiderman because Cyclops is a sharpshooter and Spiderman has always been hit by "NORMAL ROBBERS".

Originally posted by paeng
Why all of you think that Cyclops is just a normal robbers that Spiderman will beat. Almost all of you are not analyzing that Cyclops is a Great Fighter and he has Powerful Optic Blast that with a minimal adjustment to his visor he can pulvurize a people or even if it's a metal. And don't think that Cyclops cannot hit Spiderman because Cyclops is a sharpshooter and Spiderman has always been hit by "NORMAL ROBBERS".

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No need to cry pr1983 I'm always at your back and Cyclops too.

Originally posted by paeng
No need to cry pr1983 I'm always at your back and Cyclops too.

i know... i'm so proud... i've never seen someone so commited to cyclops...

Actually I'm a new member of the X-men and I will stand by them to the DEATH, It's for the SAKE OF ALL HUMANITY.

Originally posted by paeng
Actually I'm a new member of the X-men and I will stand by them to the DEATH, It's for the SAKE OF ALL HUMANITY.

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I'm Glad I've make you happy via the Internet.

Originally posted by paeng
Why all of you think that Cyclops is just a normal robbers that Spiderman will beat. Almost all of you are not analyzing that Cyclops is a Great Fighter and he has Powerful Optic Blast that with a minimal adjustment to his visor he can pulvurize a people or even if it's a metal. And don't think that Cyclops cannot hit Spiderman because Cyclops is a sharpshooter and Spiderman has always been hit by "NORMAL ROBBERS".

I'll tell you some secrets:

1. Have you ever looked at the incredible amount of comics Spider-Man appeared in ? We're talking from the early sixties. He has been written by so many writers that I lost count...

What did you think ? That nobody ever could lay a finger on him ? Of course he has been hit, he can not dodge everything, because if he did, it would be very boring to read. Who wants to read something about a guy that dodges all the time ? Nobody.

2. Not only that, but lots of those fights where he gets shot, or knocked down before he knew what was happening, were just bad writing. Nothing more, nothing less.

3. The other times he got hit without bad writing, had to do with Spider-Man taking punches because he was too tired to dodge them, because he had no choice, because he was tied up, because his spider-sense was not fast enough (that happens from times), because this and because that.

4.You like to focus on the few times he has been punched or hit. Fine.

But argue all you want, the fact remains these occasions are VERY rare, and you should know - if you don't know this, you don't belong on a comic forum - that Spider-Man has dodged attacks (thanks to his reflexes, agility and spider-sense) hundreds of times more than he has been hit by an attack.

Originally posted by who?-kid
You really sound like a broken record.

I'll tell you some secrets:

1. Have you ever looked at the incredible amount of comics Spider-Man appeared in ? We're talking from the early sixties. He has been written by so many writers that I lost count...

What did you think ? That nobody ever could lay a finger on him ? Of course he has been hit, he can not dodge everything, because if he did, it would be very boring to read. Who wants to read something about a guy that dodges all the time ? Nobody.

2. Not only that, but lots of those fights where he gets shot, or knocked down before he knew what was happening, were just bad writing. Nothing more, nothing less.

3. The other times he got hit without bad writing, had to do with Spider-Man taking punches because he was too tired to dodge them, because he had no choice, because he was tied up, because his spider-sense was not fast enough (that happens from times), because this and because that.

4.You like to focus on the few times he has been punched or hit. Fine.

But argue all you want, the fact remains these occasions are VERY rare, and you should know - if you don't know this, you don't belong on a comic forum - that Spider-Man has dodged attacks (thanks to his reflexes, agility and spider-sense) hundreds of times more than he has been hit by an attack.

What you are saying makes no sense!! You make it seem as if SM should never be hit, and as you said, that would be boring!! As you said, nobody would want to read about an un-touchable guy, but that's the guy you are depicting.And how is it possible that when he is hit its crappy writing, but when he is pumped up to beat groups of powerful beings, its just 'adreneline/rage' Yea. Right... Compare the amount of times he's been knocked down to the amount of times he's been pumped (my words, don't argue with that). That implies that SM has ZERO non-shity writers. Except for those who wrote him in as cameos or just had him not fight (and this has happened) But those 10 times he's been pumped is all fine writing? BULL!!
All those reasons you gave for him being hit are stupid. What made him 'too tired'/ tied up those times? Did he web himself up? NO. And 'his spidersense was not fast enough' ??? WTF!! I What happened to the 'the spidersense knows he's going to be hit -BEFORE- the shot is thrown' arguement? Huh?That right there makes no sense.
And of course he's dodged more than he's taken. It takes 2-4 good hits to knock him over, and he's one slippery mo-fo, so not all hits are gonna land. And yes, I am admitting that he is fast. It means nothing, it's a fact. But the speed he has is the arguement.