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In the first post in this thread, joesha28 states that the official biography of Magneto on http://www.marvel.com/universe declares him "arguably the most powerful being on earth" and he goes on to ask others if they agree or disagree:
Originally posted by joesha28
Yes, that is what marvel's bios stated. Calling the Master of Magnetism "argubly the most powerful being on earth". Your opinion guys.
The official biography of Magneto on http://www.marvel.com/universe does not state that he is "arguably the most powerful being on earth" but "arguably the most powerful man on earth". A simple misquotation that I later corrected.
Even if mutancy is the result of celestial interference as you suggest, mutants do not draw from this source to fuel their powers. The preposition "alien or non-human sources" refers to power sources such as the Phoenix Force, the Ruby of Cyttorak, etc.
If alien and non-human beings or those who derive their power from such sources were to be considered, it would be a determination of who is the "most powerful being" and the preposition "on earth" would not be included. You continue to argue who is the "most powerful being" to the exclusion of "on earth" so if anyone is guilty of misinterpreting the question, it is you.
Even if mutancy is the result of celestial interference as you suggest, mutants do not draw from this source to fuel their powers. The preposition "alien or non-human sources" refers to power sources such as the Phoenix Force, the Ruby of Cyttorak, etc.If alien and non-human beings or those who derive their power from such sources were to be considered, it would be a determination of who is the "most powerful being" and the preposition "on earth" would not be included. You continue to argue who is the "most powerful being" to the exclusion of "on earth" so if anyone is guilty of misinterpreting the question, it is you.
Celestial manipulation is the source of their power. The origin of their powers is not from earth at all but rather from Cosmic beings interference. So Mutants would NOT qualify as their abilities are due to "an implant" from the Celestials.
It appears that he did make a mistake in his quote, fair enough on that point.
You are incorrect though on another point though. None of the characters you have named actually derive their power from the earth. It is a residence, its that simple. So anybody who resides there should be part of the equation.
Alpha was FROM earth and he had vast powers, more than Mags forsure. What is your opinion on this character?
Cable, Blackbolt, Franklin, Sentry still all rank above magneto.
I will add this aswell. This is your argument.
It is my argument that the "most powerful man on earth" is a determination of source, whereas it is your argument that the "most powerful man on earth" is a determination of location.
So basically if its simply the source and lets say for arguments sake that their mutations are related simply to earth, then one could qualify who doesnt even live on earth. So they can be the most powerful man on earth and not have lived there in years. Incredible because that is in direct conflict with the question being asked.
I never stated that the power of a character must be fueled by the earth itself but rather that it could not be fueled by an alien source as this would make the powers in question alien and not terrestrial, i.e. the Phoenix Force, the Ruby of Cyttorak, etc.
The "most powerful man on earth" is not a determination of residence.
According to http://www.marvel.com/universe, Professor Charles Xavier is "the planet's most powerful mutant". If "the most powerful man on earth" or in this instance "the planet's most powerful mutant" is a determination of residence, does Professor X suddenly stop being "the planet's most powerful mutant" when he resides in the Shi'ar Galaxy with Lilandra?
No, because "the planet's most powerful mutant" and the "most powerful man on earth" are determinations of source or basis, not location or residence.
but rather that it could not be fueled by an alien source as this would make the powers in question alien and not terrestrial, i.e. the Phoenix Force, the Ruby of Cyttorak, etc.The "most powerful man on earth" is not a determination of residence.
According to http://www.marvel.com/universe, Professor Charles Xavier is "the planet's most powerful mutant". If "the most powerful man on earth" or in this instance "the planet's most powerful mutant" is a determination of residence, does Professor X suddenly stop being "the planet's most powerful mutant" when he resides in the Shi'ar Galaxy with Lilandra?
No, because "the planet's most powerful mutant" and the "most powerful man on earth" are determinations of source or basis, not location or residence.
You said that the origin of their powers could not be alien to earth, well the origin of mutants powers is from the Celestials. Therefore they would not qualify by the standards you set.
Regardless of what you want to say, the most powerful man on earth deals with residence not the source of ones powers. On earth indicates a location NOT an origin of power. This is quite black and white really.
The fact that Marvel.com has Prof X listed as the most powerful mutant only shows how out of date that source is. We know for a fact that isnt the case. So if he was off of earth, it wouldnt affect who the most powerful mutant on earth was. Added to that, technically he could no longer be the most powerful mutant on earth (had he been) if he was off of it. Thats why it has to be determined based on whether or not they reside their. If thats where they live, then they are in the running.
You still havent addressed the mutant alpha. According to your incorrect belief, he would be one of the most powerful mutants on earth without having been there in a long time. He would without question rank above Magneto. It wouldnt make any sense though because hes not on Earth. So yes for the millionth time, it is location.
The High Evolutionary was "from Earth"...but his major base of operations is no longer Earth...he is more powerful than Magneto though, and a Human, well he has evolved beyond a human now...
The same goes for Binary, she is vastly more powerful than most of the people we have mentioned...she was from Earth...but doesnt operate there, see the difference?
I think this thread is about who is the most powerful being on the planet...meaning who is the most powerful being who's base of operations is the Earth.
Marvel was right about Magneto being "arguably" the most powerful man...he has reall caused an argument here...
adam poe in particular has tried to elminate aliens...then he called Superhumans who were granted powers unfit because their power is external (even though its not). Now he would probably find some way to call Doctor Strange's powers unearthly...it sounds like he wants to eliminate competition for his beloved Magneto
Regardless, human, mutant, inhuman, alien, superhuman, etc...if their base of perations is the Earth, then they can be considered in this thread.
Black Bolt
Hulk
Doctor Strange
Molecule Man
Franklin Richards
Invisible Woman
Human Torch
Graviton
Magneto
Professor X
Sentry
Thor
Cable
X-Man (If he were alive)
Juggernaut (if he were alive)
Originally posted by Wynndar
The High Evolutionary was "from Earth"...but his major base of operations is no longer Earth...he is more powerful than Magneto though, and a Human, well he has evolved beyond a human now...The same goes for Binary, she is vastly more powerful than most of the people we have mentioned...she was from Earth...but doesnt operate there, see the difference?
I think this thread is about who is the most powerful being on the planet...meaning who is the most powerful being who's base of operations is the Earth.
Marvel was right about Magneto being "arguably" the most powerful man...he has reall caused an argument here...
adam poe in particular has tried to elminate aliens...then he called Superhumans who were granted powers unfit because their power is external (even though its not). Now he would probably find some way to call Doctor Strange's powers unearthly...it sounds like he wants to eliminate competition for his beloved Magneto
Regardless, human, mutant, inhuman, alien, superhuman, etc...if their base of perations is the Earth, then they can be considered in this thread.
Black Bolt
Hulk
Doctor Strange
Molecule Man
Franklin Richards
Invisible Woman
Human Torch
Graviton
Magneto
Professor X
Sentry
Thor
Cable
X-Man (If he were alive)
Juggernaut (if he were alive)
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Just so we are clear, once Professor X leaves earth, he ceases to be "the planet's most powerful mutant"?If that is the case, once Bill Gates leaves the country, he ceases to be the wealthiest man in the United States of America.
So no, for the millionth time, it is not location or residence.
Technically speaking he would no longer be the wealthiest man in the united states while he was gone. However if you read what I said earlier, so long as somebody has a residence there they should be counted.
So again yes its location.
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Take that down.
Originally posted by clickclick
Technically speaking he would no longer be the wealthiest man in the united states while he was gone.
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Originally posted by clickclick
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on prep. Used to indicate a source or basis.
You, take that down.
Originally posted by clickclick
So you are saying that if I claimed to be the strongest man in a room, somebody could qualify without actually being in the room?
No, I am saying that if he is the stongest man in the room and then leaves, he is still stonger than everyone in that room. Nice try though.
No, I am saying that if he is the stongest man in the room and then leaves, he is still stonger than everyone in that room. Nice try though.
Exactly my point, HE WOULD NO LONGER BE THE STRONGEST MAN IN THE ROOM.
He COULD/would be the strongest man in the room, if he was in the room. So yes he is still stronger than everyone in the room but he does not qualify for being the strongest in the room because he is not there (location).
Such and such Mutant could/would be the most powerful mutant on earth if they were on earth.
Would be but is not.
Its funny that you vehemently disagreed with me all this time. Very funny indeed.
If Professor Charles Xavier is "the planet's most powerful mutant" he does not cease to be "the planet's most powerful mutant" when he is in the Shi'ar Galaxy, as there is still no mutant on that planet more powerful than he.
If Bill Gates is "the wealthiest man in the United States of America" he does not cease to be "the wealthiest man in the United States of America" when he is in another country, as there is still no man in the United States of America wealthier than he.
If a man is "the strongest man in the room" he does not cease to be "the strongest man in the room" when he leaves the room, as there is still no man in the room stronger than he.
In none of these instances did location affect the power, wealth, or strength of a single individual.
Ultimately, comparing human characters who derive their powers from terrestrial sources with alien or non-human characters who derive their powers from alien or non-human sources, is equivocal to comparing natural athletes with those that use performance enhancing drugs. Such a comparison commits the logical fallacy of false analogy as the things being compared are relevantly dissimilar.