Molecule Man is above others since they were cubes. For some reason, him being human with the powers of the cube beings allowed him to operate more effective then them.
Look for the entire scans here.
http://beyonder.chez.tiscali.fr/beyonder.html
Molecule Man is above others since they were cubes. For some reason, him being human with the powers of the cube beings allowed him to operate more effective then them.
Look for the entire scans here.
http://beyonder.chez.tiscali.fr/beyonder.html
Cables powers have been upgraded, I dont know about the fight you are talking about but I do know the scope of Cables powers. He is more powerful than Magneto.
Secondly your example is completely horrible. Im not sure why you cant see it but ill explain it anyway.
Cable has a vast power CURRENTLY, on earth in regular continuity.
Magneto has power on earth, currently. They both have functionining power at the same time.
Your attempted comparison was between a guy with functioning power currently against guys without functioning power currently. That has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion. Cable is on earth now, thats all that matters. Also, he wasnt born 2000 years later, not that it matters the least bit anyway.
Franklin is still more powerful, MM is, Sentry is, X-man was.
com·par·i·son n. A statement or estimate of similarities and differences.
a·nal·o·gy n. A logical inference that two things known to be alike in some respects must also be alike in other respects.
I drew an analogy between Magneto and George W. Bush, not a comparison. If it is not logical to include individuals from alternate futures and realities when trying to determine the "most powerful man on earth" in regards to George W. Bush, it is also not logical to include individuals from alternate futures and realities when trying to determine the "most powerful man on earth" in regards to Magneto as the analogy is logically equivalent.
Franklin Richards has the potential to be the most powerful but he currently is not.
Molecule Man is not more powerful than Magneto. Molecule Man when combined with the Beyonder in the form of the Cosmic Cube is more powerful than Magneto. As the Cosmic Cube however, he is both alien and non-human and derives his power from both alien and non-human sources, therefore he is no more relevant to this discussion than Galactus is.
Sentry could conceivably be more powerful than Magneto, but his full origin and the extent of his abilities and powers are not known.
X-Man is from an alternate reality and is possibly deceased, and therefore is not relevant to this discussion either.
I drew an analogy between Magneto and George W. Bush, not a comparison.
You tried to make a comparison between presidents and comic book characters. No need for your attempted correction, I was correct in my assertion.
If it is not logical to include individuals from alternate futures and realities when trying to determine the "most powerful man on earth" in regards to George W. Bush, it is also not logical to include individuals from alternate futures and realities when trying to determine the "most powerful man on earth" in regards to Magneto as the analogy is logically equivalent.
Again it is not logical because only ONE president can have functioning power at a time where as there are numerous mutants and such that can and DO have functioning power at the same time. Its irrelevant where they originated from, it matters who has the most power on earth at the moment.. Notice how they all have power on earth at the moment while that is not the same case with presidents from different times.
Franklin Richards may not be the most powerful on earth at the moment but he is definetly more powerful than Magneto. He has demonstrated power than Mags couldnt even dream of. So while it It may not be franklin, it definetly isnt mags so long as Franklin exists on earth.
Molecule Man is not more powerful than Magneto. Molecule Man when combined with the Beyonder in the form of the Cosmic Cube is more powerful than Magneto. As the Cosmic Cube however, he is both alien and non-human and derives his power from both alien and non-human sources, therefore he is no more relevant to this discussion than Galactus is.
Molecule Man has demonstrated far more power than Magneto. As an incomplete cosmic cube he has demonstrated more power than Magneto. It doesnt matter if the source of his power is alien or not, the question of the thread is the most powerful on earth. Galactus is not on earth so that is a poor example. Had he been, he would qualify too.
We know that Sentry has more power than Mags even if some things about him are a mystery. Of what we know, its enough to surpass mags.
As for X-man, you happen to be correct on that one. But when he was alive, he was more powerful than mags.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
[b]com·par·i·son n. A statement or estimate of similarities and differences.a·nal·o·gy n. A logical inference that two things known to be alike in some respects must also be alike in other respects.
I drew an analogy between Magneto and George W. Bush, not a comparison. If it is not logical to include individuals from alternate futures and realities when trying to determine the "most powerful man on earth" in regards to George W. Bush, it is also not logical to include individuals from alternate futures and realities when trying to determine the "most powerful man on earth" in regards to Magneto as the analogy is logically equivalent.
Franklin Richards has the potential to be the most powerful but he currently is not.
Molecule Man is not more powerful than Magneto. Molecule Man when combined with the Beyonder in the form of the Cosmic Cube is more powerful than Magneto. As the Cosmic Cube however, he is both alien and non-human and derives his power from both alien and non-human sources, therefore he is no more relevant to this discussion than Galactus is.
Sentry could conceivably be more powerful than Magneto, but his full origin and the extent of his abilities and powers are not known.
X-Man is from an alternate reality and is possibly deceased, and therefore is not relevant to this discussion either. [/B]
Sentry, Franklin, and Molecule Man are all vastly more powerful than magneto...now u r just sounding ignorant...OK fine, your analogy was brilliant...is that what u want to hear? read all the pages posted in that link and u will learn something about molecule man and the beyonder...they are so much above Magneto its not even funny...the longer u keep holding onto ur magneto theory the more credibility u lose because now im starting to just dismiss u as a fanboy.
Adam Poe: go to this site and read the pages they have posted please...U will see that molecule man is presently arguably one of the most powerful beings in the universe.
clickclick>
I did not correct myself, I corrected you. I am sorry that you do not understand the difference between a comparison and an analogy.
It certainly matters where one and his powers originate from. The preposition "most powerful man on earth" is and indication of source or basis, not location. If the statement is in reference to location, one could argue that any cosmic being is the "most powerful man on earth" when he comes into contact with the surface of the planet, yet this is clearly not the intention of the preposition.
This discludes characters such as Molecule Man as any portion of a Cosmic Cube and X-Man. Sentry may or may not be alien or non-human and /or derive his powers from alien or non-human sources, therefore his relevance to the discussion cannot be determined.
Regardless of what power he has demonstrated in the past or future, Franklin Richards is currently not more powerful than Magneto.
Wynndar >
Franklin Richards has the potential to be the most powerful man on earth; He has shown signs of telepathy, telekenesis, precognition and the ability to rearrange molecules - in an alternate future, he possesses immesurable psionic powers and can manipulate and alter reality with no limit - but currently, mental blocks prevent him from accessing his vast psionic potential, and therefore he is not more powerful than Magneto.
Molecule Man is more powerful than Magneto only when combined with the Beyonder or as a portion of a Cosmic Cube.
Again, the full origin of Sentry and the extent of his abilities and powers are not known, therefore it cannot be determined if it is even relevant to argue if he is most powerful.
Furthermore, your views regarding my credibility do not affect the validity of my argument and I am sorry that you feel the need to resort to childish insults because you cannot defeat it.
analogy
1. Similarity in some respects between things that are otherwise dissimilar.
2. A comparison based on such similarity. See Synonyms at likeness.
comparison
1. The act of comparing or the process of being compared.
2. A statement or estimate of similarities and differences.
The quality of being similar or equivalent; likeness:
examining resemblances or differences
I am sorry that you do not understand the difference between a comparison and an analogy.
No no no, im sorry that you dont know what you are talking about. On this front or the other one (that being the power of marvel characters on earth).
It certainly matters where one and his powers originate from. The preposition "most powerful man on earth" is and indication of source or basis, not location. If the statement is in reference to location, one could argue that any cosmic being is the "most powerful man on earth" when he comes into contact with the surface of the planet, yet this is clearly not the intention of the preposition.
You are incorrect. That is simply your interpretation because you feel that it favors Magneto and to an extent you are correct. However, most powerful on earth means just that. The most powerful character on earth. Certainly it would vary depending on what kind of characters came to earth but there are regular earth folk who spend much of their time there, those are the ones that we will use to determine this. So of the characters that live on earth, who is the most powerful.
This would include characters like Cable, franklin and such. They live on earth, simple enough isnt it?
Regardless of what power he has demonstrated in the past or future, Franklin Richards is currently not more powerful than Magneto.
Again you are incorrect. In the present, whenever he needs it he has shown vast power that exceeds magneto.
u didnt read it obviously..he wasnt connected to the cube or the Beyonder...he was killing Beyonder in fact...and Kubik admitted that MM was far stronger than himself...stop being a fan boy and read it
No matter what Mags can do to the poles of one planet...How does that compare to Franklin recently changing the being Eternity with his powers? Whatever WEBSITE u r looking at is out dated
magneto fanboy.
and sentry is not alien...he was given a serum that changed his metabolism granting him the power of a thousand stars.
Sentry>Magneto )while he uses his powers to toss an old refrigerator at Nightcrawler)
Molecule Man is more powerful than Magneto only when combined with the Beyonder or as a portion of a Cosmic Cube.Again, the full origin of Sentry and the extent of his abilities and powers are not known, therefore it cannot be determined if it is even relevant to argue if he is most powerful.
Furthermore, your views regarding my credibility do not affect the validity of my argument and I am sorry that you feel the need to resort to childish insults because you cannot defeat it.
Molecule Man does not need to be combined with Beyonder to have immense power. Even as part of an incomplete cube he has more power than Magneto. You cant get around that, try as you wish.
The origin of Sentry's power is irrelevant. We dont know the full of extent of his abilities but we know some of what hes got and that alone is more than what Magneto possesses.
Calling your credibility into question is apprioate at the moment. You arent being reasonable because of some bias you have. Im not going to keep going around in circles with you, there is absolutely no way you are right. If you refuse to see that because of your bias, so be it.
clickclick>
By your own admission, the "most powerful man on earth" is a determination of source or basis:
Originally posted by clickclick
Certainly it would vary depending on what kind of characters came to earth but there are regular earth folk who spend much of their time there, those are the ones that we will use to determine this. So of the characters that live on earth, who is the most powerful.
This contradicts your official position:
Originally posted by clickclick
However, most powerful on earth means just that. The most powerful character on earth.
Either "most powerful man on earth" is a determination of source or it is a determination of location. Choose one.
Being any part of a Cosmic Cube makes Molecule Man a cosmic being. As with Sentry, whether or not a character or his powers are alien or non-human in origin speaks directly to whether or not he can be determined "most powerful man on earth" by source or basis.
Suggesting that my argument is invalid because I may have a bias commits the logic fallacy of ad hominem abusive / circumstantial.
Wynndar>
Sentry may have received his powers from a serum but recurring memories from a past life suggest that he and his powers may not be completely terrestrial in origin.
I am not arguing that Magneto is the most powerful character in the Marvel universe. I am arguing that he is the "most powerful man on earth". Continuing to compare characters who are alien or non-human and / or derive their powers from alien or non-human sources with characters who are completely terrestrial in origin and derive their powers from completely terrestrial sources is beyond the scope of this discussion.
Moreover, I will be sure to notify Marvel that their official website is incorrect because it disputes what you believe. Your refusal to acknowledge the position of an official source makes you the obstinate fanboy.
I have not contradicted myself, earth is a location, how many characters actually derive their power from earth itself?
I will speak on origin of powers quite briefly. The mutant gene was actually the result of Celestial manipulations of the human genes. So that means that mutant powers were not even from earth but from Celestials interference.
Again, not that it matters.
Being any part of a Cosmic Cube makes Molecule Man a cosmic being. As with Sentry, whether or not a character or his powers are alien or non-human in origin speaks directly to whether or not he can be determined "most powerful man on earth" by source or basis.
The original question of the thread was asking who is the most powerful being on earth. The question was not who is the the most powerful MAN on earth. Which even if that was the case, (which it is not) it would still not be Magneto.
The source of their power was only a stupilation that you wanted to add to the thread.
Suggesting that my argument is invalid because I may have a bias commits the logic fallacy of ad hominem abusive / circumstantial.
Im suggesting your argument is invalid because it is invalid. It is flat out incorrect. Im suggesting you are continuing to pursue a blatently wrong avenue and ignoring the truth because you have a bias.
The first post of this thread:
Originally posted by joesha28
Yes, that is what marvel's bios stated. Calling the Master of Magnetism "argubly the most powerful being on earth". Your opinion guys.
The official biography of Magneto on http://www.marvel.com/universe states that he is "arguably the most powerful man on earth." I simply corrected the misquotation.
It is my argument that the "most powerful man on earth" is a determination of source, whereas it is your argument that the "most powerful man on earth" is a determination of location.
Stating that it is a determination of location is absurd as it would mean that any being that came in contact with the surface of the earth could potentially be the "most powerful man on earth".
While this is may be true of the denotation of the preposition, it is clearly not true of the connotation.
Furthermore, if the "most powerful man on earth" is a determination of source, certainly characters who are alien or non-human or derive their powers from such sources would not qualify.
And since the purpose is to determine who is the "most powerful man on earth," should we not compare only characters who are terrestrial in origin and derive their powers from terrestrial sources?
Accordingly, comparing characters who are alien or non-human and / or derive their powers from such sources to characters who are terrestrial in origin and derive their powers from terrestrial sources would determine something, just not who is the "most powerful man on earth".
It is not an issue of whose conclusion is correct as it should be clear at this point that we are not arguing the same argument.
If by "most powerful man on earth" one means "most powerful man on earth by source or basis," I am correct.
If by "most powerful man on earth" one means "most powerful being to come into contact with the surface ot the earth," you are correct.
However, it would appear that Marvel aggrees with me.
The question of the thread was, who is the most powerful being.. Being NOT man.
Mutants derive their power from Celestial manipulation of their genes, therefore their powers are not actually terrestrial in origin either.
Cable and Franklin are two mutants with power exceeding that of Magneto. Marvel has shown us this when they displayed their power. So it does not appear that Marvel agrees with you.
Stating that it is a determination of location is absurd as it would mean that any being that came in contact with the surface of the earth could potentially be the "most powerful man on earth".
Deriving a different meaning from a question than what is actually stated is absurd. Of those who live on earth, who is the most powerful? The fact that you keep saying man when the question clearly states BEING is quit absurd.
You are completely incorrect here.
Ill mention one more thing. Alpha is from earth and his power exceeded Magneto's. Now according to you even though he doesnt live on earth he would still be in the running because of the "origin" of his powers. Any way you slice it, you are wrong.