Magneto most powerful on earth?!

If Professor Charles Xavier is "the planet's most powerful mutant" he does not cease to be "the planet's most powerful mutant" when he is in the Shi'ar Galaxy, as there is still no mutant on that planet more powerful than he.

Prof X isnt the planets most powerful mutant so you should stop carrying on with that point. There is no mention of a specific time in the statement "most powerful mutant on earth" so in this case it is understood that residence is the determing factor for whether or not one qualifies. If it was limited to a certain time period, then their location during that time period would be the determining factor for whether or not they qualify.

If Bill Gates is "the wealthiest man in the United States of America" he does not cease to be "the wealthiest man in the United States of America" when he is in another country, as there is still no man in the United States of America wealthier than he.

If somebody mentioned that Bill Gates was the wealthiest man in America, it is understood that this is qualified by the fact that he lives there. They are not (or certainly are not necessarily) taking into account whether or not he is in the country at that moment. However, if Bill Gates is in another country, at that moment he would no longer be the wealthiest man in the United states (at that location).

The same concept would apply to Marvel earth. Anybody who resides on earth is in contention because there is no specific time given to determine whether or not they were on earth. If there was and they were to leave, for that period of time they would no longer be in contention.

Ultimately, comparing human characters who derive their powers from terrestrial sources with alien or non-human characters who derive their powers from alien or non-human sources, is equivocal to comparing natural athletes with those that use performance enhancing drugs. Such a comparison commits the logical fallacy of false analogy as the things being compared are relevantly dissimilar.

Mutants do NOT derive their power from earth. Earth is not the source of their power.

One should ask who is the most powerful mutant on earth if they want to know just that. Any mutant that resides there would be in contention.

Actually, there are bodybuilding competition for people who are all natural. Thats why they specifically call it, all natural body building. If one doesnt differentiate, then anybody can contend. This works aswell when determing the most powerful man on earth.

Steroids are considered cheating in most sports competition and so they are violating rules set forth to compete in that sport. Power on earth is power on earth, there were no rules set forth to eliminate certain types of power.

You can not put stipulations on a question because it favors a character that you like. Its general unless made specific.

Accusing me of faulty logic is ridiculous as you are quite clearly the offending party here.

Professor Charles Xavier leaving the planet does not make a single mutant on the planet more powerful.

Bill Gates leaving the United States of America does not make a single man in the United States of America more wealthy.

A man leaving the room does not make a single man in the room stronger.

Again, in none of these instances did location affect the power, wealth, or strength of a single individual.

To reiterate, comparing human characters who derive their powers from terrestrial sources with alien or non-human characters who derive their powers from alien or non-human sources, commits the logical fallacy of false analogy as the things being compared are relevantly dissimilar.

In other words, you are comparing apples to oranges. While they share many of the same characteristics, their fundamental differences make a comparison between them illogical.

Professor Charles Xavier leaving the planet does not make a single mutant on the planet more powerful.

Proffessor X isnt the most powerful mutant on earth. If he was and he left, it does not make another mutant more powerful than him. It would however for the time being make another mutant the most powerful on the planet.. From then until whenever he or another mutant was on the earth who possessed more power.

To reiterate, comparing human characters who derive their powers from terrestrial sources with alien or non-human characters who derive their powers from alien or non-human sources, commits the logical fallacy of false analogy as the things being compared are relevantly dissimilar.

No need to reiterate nonsesical statements. For the millionth time aswell, the source of their power is the manipulation (an imlpantation) to their DNA that was done by Cosmic beings. That is not from or of Earth and therefore would not Mutants would not even qualify under the standards that you want to set. Standards that YOU WANT TO SET mind you, not standards that were set in the actual question itself.

Originally posted by clickclick
Proffessor X isnt the most powerful mutant on earth. If he was and he left, it does not make another mutant more powerful than him. It would however for the time being make another mutant the most powerful on the planet.. From then till whenever he or another mutant was on the earth who possessed more power.

Marvel is the sole officiator of who is "the planet's most powerful mutant" and who is "arguably the most powerful man on earth" in the Marvel universe. You can disagree all you like.

Originally posted by clickclick
o need to reiterate nonsesical statements. For the millionth time aswell, the source of their power is the manipulation to their DNA that was does by Cosmic beings. That is not from or of Earth and therefore would not even qualify under the standards that you set. Standards that are in fact more specific and different from the actual question at hand.

Even if their powers originated from celestial interference, they are powered by natural processes.

Marvel is the sole officiator of who is "the planet's most powerful mutant" and who is "arguably the most powerful man on earth" in the Marvel universe. You can disagree all you like.

Its outdated and limited in the characters mentioned on the site. Disagree with it all you want but the standard that we all go by is the Marvel comic books. We have seen that X-man was more powerful than Prof X, X admitted it. So therefore you are once again incorrect that marvel.com is relevant to this discussion.

Even if their powers originated from celestial interference, they are powered by natural processes.

Their powers come from something that the celestials (cosmic beings alien to earth) did to them. Its not natural, its not of earthly origin.

Utimately this is pointless. A while back I stated that I did not want to go around in circles with you and here I find myself going around in circles.

I understand what you are trying to say but in actuality you are incorrect. No big deal though, happens to everybody at some point in time. If you are unwilling to recognize this because you have a bias or just like to argue, so be it.

I suggest that we just agree to disagree. No further time need be wasted on something so unimportant.

This thread went off course. The question that was asked was whether or not Magneto was the most powerful man on earth. The answer to that is a certain no. The question of the thread has been answered and we can both move on.

According to Marvel and http://www.marvel.com/universe, the answer is yes, Magneto is "arguably the most powerful man on earth," so in actuality, you are wrong. However, we will simply have to agree to disagree.

IM only going to make this slight correction for you because your information was innaccurate. Marvel.com states that Prof X is the most powerful mutant on earth and simply that Magento is arguably the most.

Oh well though, its extremely outdated as ive previously mentioned and much more limited in info than the comic books that marvel has produced.... Its like using an old text book and dismissing new discoveries.

Anyway, agree to disagree indeed. 🙂

Clickclick is right...if only u knew....Franklin...Invisible Woman...Magneto...Hulk...technically they r all mutants in the same way...and their power is internal...u need to learn more about the Eternals...deviants...celestials...and
beyonders.

"And while Prof. X and Jean Grey could beat him using their ESP type powers"

May sound stupid (lack of a better word), what is ESP powers and what is ultimate magnetos powers meaning what cant maganeto do that ultimate magneto can, cheers.

Onslaught beats Magneto as he is in-part him.

Originally posted by joesha28
Yes, that is what marvel's bios stated. Calling the Master of Magnetism "argubly the most powerful being on earth". Your opinion guys.

With Sentry, Namor, and Hulk hanging around?

I'd agree to this. Magneto is arguably the most powerful being on Earth. Very versatile powers, smart, good planner, fairly consistently up there. He'd be up there in the group of people you'd consider the most powerful beings on Earth.

Firstly - can't he be beaten by a plastic or wooden arrow?

Secondly - why is this thread in here?

Originally posted by roughrider
Firstly - can't he be beaten by a plastic or wooden arrow

By that estimation, Xavier is a scrub and so is everyone else who isn't super resistant to damage.

Originally posted by roughrider
Firstly - can't he be beaten by a plastic or wooden arrow?

Mags gets a lot of Cred and rightfully so but in no way is he the most powerful being on earth....

even if you minus sentry and all of Asgard(including thor) he is still not the most powerful being on earth

Not the most powerful person on Earth, arguably the most powerful person on Earth. If someone was picking kickball teams, Magneto would be a good pick anyway you slice it. You could pick people who would be better than Magneto in certain, or even most, situations, but you'd still be pretty well off with a Magneto.

Originally posted by clickclick
Prof X isnt the planets most powerful mutant so you should stop carrying on with that point. There is no mention of a specific time in the statement "most powerful mutant on earth" so in this case it is understood that residence is the determing factor for whether or not one qualifies. If it was limited to a certain time period, then their location during that time period would be the determining factor for whether or not they qualify.

If somebody mentioned that Bill Gates was the wealthiest man in America, it is understood that this is qualified by the fact that he lives there. They are not (or certainly are not necessarily) taking into account whether or not he is in the country at that moment. However, if Bill Gates is in another country, at that moment he would no longer be the wealthiest man in the United states (at that location).

The same concept would apply to Marvel earth. Anybody who resides on earth is in contention because there is no specific time given to determine whether or not they were on earth. If there was and they were to leave, for that period of time they would no longer be in contention.

I would agree with clickclick. In fact, professor X himself in the animated series has stated that Magneto is the most powerful mutant on earth. But seriously guys, Dr. Doom? Dr. Doom is no mach for Magneto, as he is the master of Electricity AND Magnetism. Which makes absolute sense. As presented in Maxwell's unified electromagnetic theory electricity and magnetism are essentially two sides of the same coin. Magneto could not only manipulate magnetic forces that reside on earth, hence the gravitational field of earth by tempering with the north and the south pole, he could manipulate other planets in the same manner. Thor and Dr. Doom? Their lightning bolts would be no threat to magneto. Supposedly, although there is no clear reference to what psionic powers are made of, he could create a field to protect him from telepathic powers such as Professor X's (as he has done with his helmet). Regarding Apocalypse, we all know that apocalypses uniform is made of metal and the weapons he creates, are metallic as well. They therefore pose no threat to magneto. Franklin Richards and Elixir of course pose a threat to Magneto, as they can manipulate the very fabric of his nature. However, it is not clear how well can magneto defend himself by creating force fields.

Franklin Richards, Thanos, Hulk, Apocalypse (if he counts) are at least 4 mutants that would slap his ass.