pre-crisis superman vs Galactus

Originally posted by Marcus4600
How would Galactus win? He'd grab Superman, and throw him into another universe. Or, he'd pull him in two pieces. Or, he'd fry him like he's nothing. Kid, Galactus is stronger than pre-crisis Superman! He's more powerful than any Superman that's ever came into existence. You can talk about pre-crisis Darkseid all you want. That was Kirby's intention, but it didn't come to fruition. There is no possible way, shape, or form that Superman in any way, shape, or form could kill Galactus. Give it up. Fanboys need to just stop posting in here, because you're making yourself look like morons. Do some damn research on Galactus and find out for your f*cking self why Superman would get his arse kicked.

Wow.

Someone needs to realise that he's getting upset about discussing comic book characters over the internet. ✅

There's no need for the effing and blinding mate. If you're civil then people will be more likely to listen to your opinion.

And it's all well and good saying that Big G will rip Supes in two and fry him etc etc. But you need to prove this.

Those feats have never been performed against Supes before, because unlike current Supes, back in the day he was TRULY invulnerable. Only magic and K can hurt him.

So UNTIL Big G decides to use his matter manip to create K (which to be honest, won't take long), his best attacks will be doing nothing to Supes.

I challenge you to find a single instance in PreC times of Superman being physically injured by something that wasn't K or Magic.

Please.

Originally posted by Sir Whirlysplat
No Kirby who created both Galactus and Darkseid has said many times they were equal. Precrisis Supes never really got slapped around by anyone. However Pre crisis Darkseids feats actually in many ways are more impressive than those of Galactus. Read Legion of Superheroes "Great Darkness" saga

"This was the storyline that made me start collecting The Legion of Super-Heroes comics back in 1982. I actually came on board in the middle of the Great Darkness Saga, but quickly scrounged back issues to get the whole story. Everything Levitz and Giffen did afterward was shadowed by this story. Heck, this was where Darkseid made his comeback after being virtually relegated to comic book oblivion in the '70s.
Even when Kirby was writing the Fourth World comics, Darkseid was not the major player in the DC Universe that he is now. But Levitz showed the potential for the character, making him a cosmic villain of universal proportions. Like one of the other reviewers here, Darkseid was new to me simply because I was too young to know about the New Gods. But Levitz used him as a mythic character whose legend would have been known to those who read their Encyclopedia Galactica.
In this story, Darkseid takes a while to reveal himself, working through his "servants of darkness" to procure vessels of power, including living beings he sucks dry of their power. When he does this to Mordru, the Legion know they've got a problem bigger than any they've faced. In one mind-blowing subplot, Darkseid transposes Apokolips with Daxam, giving a yellow sun and the power of Superman to three billion Daxamites he mind-controls.
It's difficult to know whether this remains an official part of Legion continuity because the group has endured so many revamps and rewrites. But it remains an outstanding story. As for Darkseid, this is just one of many possible futures for DC's #1 villain. John Ostrander also did a superb job writing a climactic battle between the Martian Manhunter and Darkseid thousands of years from now."

Keep the faith 🙂

Stay Whirly 🤘

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Come on guys don't you really think that Kirby said that because he wasn't at MARVEL anymore and was at DC... Whats he supposed to say I created a villian to take down DC's most powerful character but , he's not as powerful as that "GALACTUS GUY" back in MARVEL who i don't work for anymore... IMO the statement is extremely selfserving...

IMO... GALACTUS beats both Darkseid and PC superman together without any trouble 11/10...

Sorry Supes and Darky fans...

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Originally posted by ZephroCarnelian
Wow.

Someone needs to realise that he's getting upset about discussing comic book characters over the internet. ✅

There's no need for the effing and blinding mate. If you're civil then people will be more likely to listen to your opinion.

And it's all well and good saying that Big G will rip Supes in two and fry him etc etc. But you need to prove this.

Those feats have never been performed against Supes before, because unlike current Supes, back in the day he was TRULY invulnerable. Only magic and K can hurt him.

So UNTIL Big G decides to use his matter manip to create K (which to be honest, won't take long), his best attacks will be doing nothing to Supes.

I challenge you to find a single instance in PreC times of Superman being physically injured by something that wasn't K or Magic.

Please.

Sorry. Okay, matter manipulation. Tadaa! Kryptonite! Superman dies. The end.

That better? To be honest, it's kinda fun to say Tadaa, and then Superman dies. Kinda has a ring to it. Also, don't forget that pre-crisis Supes was a dick. Of course, so is post-crisis, so I guess it all works out. If someone disagrees with that, I've only got one response:
Superman says you can slap a Jap when you buy war bonds!

Originally posted by Marcus4600
Sorry. Okay, matter manipulation. Tadaa! Kryptonite! Superman dies. The end.

That better? To be honest, it's kinda fun to say Tadaa, and then Superman dies. Kinda has a ring to it. Also, don't forget that pre-crisis Supes was a dick. Of course, so is post-crisis, so I guess it all works out. If someone disagrees with that, I've only got one response:
Superman says you can slap a Jap when you buy war bonds!

😆 You like that website don't you?? 😉

I don't think it'd be that easy for G to get a bead on Supes though.

Not saying that he won't eventually be able to tag him, but bear in mind that Supes has limitless speed and time/dimensional travelling power too... if Supes went all out, he'd get some hits in before going down.

It's not a one-shot thing.

In fact, given his incredible speed and super-genius intellect, he could probably fly back to the Fortress and whip up a Cosmic Drill to burrow through G's armour with. All in a millsecond. 🙂

Originally posted by ZephroCarnelian
😆 You like that website don't you?? 😉

I don't think it'd be that easy for G to get a bead on Supes though.

Not saying that he won't eventually be able to tag him, but bear in mind that Supes has limitless speed and time/dimensional travelling power too... if Supes went all out, he'd get some hits in before going down.

It's not a one-shot thing.

In fact, given his incredible speed and super-genius intellect, he could probably fly back to the Fortress and whip up a Cosmic Drill to burrow through G's armour with. All in a millsecond. 🙂

Agreed 🙂

How would he figure out to do that? He can't even do math!

20 x 16 x 10 = 3,200, not 32,000.

btw, I do love that site.

Science didn't exsist before the crisis. Back then you could say whatever you wanted and it would be true. That's why Lex Luthor was able to make a time ray out of orange juice and a flashlight. I'm not kidding about time time ray either.

It seems that a lot of non debaters are trying to argue for Galactus in this forum. Is it because you all are superman haters and Galactus fanboys? Pre-Superman couldn't be physically hurt. Galactus couldn't hurt him because he was absolutely invincible. He was also omnipotent. His power was truly infinite. The writers gave him no limits and didn't take any science into consideration. People on this forum are saying the silliest of things just to get their precious Galactus to win (like "Galactus will pull him apart"😉. I suppose superman was made out of paper then.
Such dumb statements I tell you.

Can anyone answer this?
How can anyone without limit lose to someone with limit?
The only way Galactus could win is through kryptonite.
Otherwise superman wins 1000000000000000000000000000/10

Originally posted by ZephroCarnelian
Pre-Crisis Superman would more than annoy Big G....

He might injure him....

But I doubt he could fully defeat him.

Superman has unlimited speed, strength and invulnerabiliy.

The problem is that he has a physical form which is prey to the laws of the universe.

Since Galactus possesses immense control over the physical world, I see the battle going as this:

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Superman is transported into the Marvel universe by an unknown power and Reed Richards briefs him on Galactus' mission to eat the Earth. Reed needs Superman to delay Big G long enough for him to build a weapon to drive G off.

Superman comes flying in to the battle and demands Galactus to stop.

Galactus hits Supes with a bolt of cosmic energy which sends him flying through space.

"Great Stars! That energy hurts even a Superman like ME!"

Then Superman proceeds to rock Galactus with invisible planet-destroying punches at superspeeds of a billion times the speed of light.

At first Big G cannot understand what is happening, he is shocked that Superman has survived the bolt of energy and now his armour is buckling and he is being tossed about like a pea in a can.

Then he understands that Superman is moving at incredible speed, so he uses his cosmic power to amp his own perceptions up to hyperspeed levels.

When Supes comes charging in for another punch, Big G now sees him, scans his body for vulnerabilities and turns Superman's blood into Kryptonite.

Superman as a last ditch effort to survive, throws himself through the vibrational wall between universes and ends up back in the DC universe. The transition changes his blood back to normal and he heals instantly.

However, when he tries to fly back to the 616 uni, he finds the vibrational wall blocked off by super-sealing vibrations.

Using super-vision, he sees through into the marvel universe and sees that Reed has completed his weapon and drove G off.

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That's how a comic with Pre-C Supes and Big G would go.

Superman would be shown immensely impressive and manages to hold his own for a while, until Big G's matter manipulation powers come into play.

But before Superman gets killed, he escapes and the day turns out okay anyway.

🙂 That's how I'd see it playing out.

I like this explaination.

^ Makes a lot more sense than idiots claiming fanboy all day.

Originally posted by Femi32
I like this explaination.

False! Pre-Superman powers go against the physical world. That is why he could do anything imaginable. He also obtain new powers and abilities as the writers seem fit. No blast, hit, or attack could hurt pre-superman. So false, Galactus could not hurt him.
You even said that Superman has unlimited strength. Then how can Galactus take any damage from him and still live? Is Galactus durability unlimited as well? NO, we have all seen Galactus fall (die) before. This proves his durability is limited.

It is simply logic: an infinite power strike beats someone with limited durability.

Refute this before posting your next argument.

Originally posted by h1a8
False! Pre-Superman powers go against the physical world. That is why he could do anything imaginable. He also obtain new powers and abilities as the writers seem fit. No blast, hit, or attack could hurt pre-superman. So false, Galactus could not hurt him.
You even said that Superman has unlimited strength. Then how can Galactus take any damage from him and still live? Is Galactus durability unlimited as well? NO, we have all seen Galactus fall (die) before. This proves his durability is limited.

It is simply logic: an infinite power strike beats someone with limited durability.

Refute this before posting your next argument.

Wow you've never seen Superman fight Darkseid before have you?He doesn't have unlimited strength or power.This figh is a joke Galactus wins at any power level with out even tring.

the problem with your argument h1 is that you are operating under the assumption that pre-c supes was written CONSISTENTLY the way you describe him. he wasn't. king kosmos was able to ko him with a power blast. he-man was able to hurt him with a punch. black adam was able to battle him AND capt marvel simultaneously for a time and when he fought superman alone ba was also able to hurt him. darkseid was able to send him flying with a single backhand and (though i have no scan of this one) darkseid was also able to break his arm. whirly, you know where that happened?

the kind of menace g represents was most often handled by the jla -- of which pre-c supes was a member. there may indeed be enemies as high powered as galactus that pre-c supes defeated alone, but i can't think of any off-hand. whirly might know a couple, but i'd still say it is more than likely there were extenuating circumstances that allowed him to defeat such an opponent, rather than supes simply punching or heat visioning him to death.

someone is bound to bring up his battle with the anti-monitor at the end of crisis, however, the am was already very weak after the omega effects and his other battles and while i know he was still powerful, i'd say he was less than galactus.

now, all that said, it would depend on g's level of power. low power supes wins probably with a ko, specially the way g is usually written. even at low power g should be WAY more powerful than ss, but often that doesn't seem to be the case. high powered and well written, using matter and energy control, g SHOULD be able to handle even pre-c supes without much difficulty imo. and this from a HUGE fan of pre-c supes.

Sentry held his own against Galactus. I think Pre-crisis Superman will be able to hold off Galactus for a while, but Galactus will still win.

Originally posted by leonidas
the problem with your argument h1 is that you are operating under the assumption that pre-c supes was written CONSISTENTLY the way you describe him. he wasn't. king kosmos was able to ko him with a power blast. he-man was able to hurt him with a punch. black adam was able to battle him AND capt marvel simultaneously for a time and when he fought superman alone ba was also able to hurt him. darkseid was able to send him flying with a single backhand and (though i have no scan of this one) darkseid was also able to break his arm. whirly, you know where that happened?

the kind of menace g represents was most often handled by the jla -- of which pre-c supes was a member. there may indeed be enemies as high powered as galactus that pre-c supes defeated alone, but i can't think of any off-hand. whirly might know a couple, but i'd still say it is more than likely there were extenuating circumstances that allowed him to defeat such an opponent, rather than supes simply punching or heat visioning him to death.

someone is bound to bring up his battle with the anti-monitor at the end of crisis, however, the am was already very weak after the omega effects and his other battles and while i know he was still powerful, i'd say he was less than galactus.

now, all that said, it would depend on g's level of power. low power supes wins probably with a ko, specially the way g is usually written. even at low power g should be WAY more powerful than ss, but often that doesn't seem to be the case. high powered and well written, using matter and energy control, g SHOULD be able to handle even pre-c supes without much difficulty imo. and this from a HUGE fan of pre-c supes.

But I don't think THAT Superman is the one we refer to as "Pre Crisis" because that late 70's-80's Superman killed himself in "Whatever happened to the man of tomorrow'. After he killed Mr Mxyzptlk.

And yes, Superman did have some low showings to PIS/CIS, but at base value, given his capabilities and if he was bloodlusted, if he had the capacity to use all of these abilities, it would be VERY difficult to stop him. Ability to hop through time/space/dimensions, matter manipulation, able to blow away stars with 'super breath', and drag planets around with his hands. He was indeed high cosmic level.

The sentry was pis, a well written Galactus normal or full powered kills PC superman with ease. A weaken or hungry Galactus most likely lose to PC superman or get hurt enough to treat but a full or normal Galactus turns PC superman into jello pudding.

Originally posted by Juntai
AM>>>Galactus.

But I don't think THAT Superman is the one we refer to as "Pre Crisis" because that late 70's-80's Superman killed himself in "Whatever happened to the man of tomorrow'. After he killed Mr Mxyzptlk.

And yes, Superman did have some low showings to PIS/CIS, but at base value, given his capabilities and if he was bloodlusted, if he had the capacity to use all of these abilities, it would be VERY difficult to stop him. Ability to hop through time/space/dimensions, matter manipulation, able to blow away stars with 'super breath', and drag planets around with his hands. He was indeed high cosmic level.

matter manipulation? where and when? even pre-c supes powers were physically based. he was also MORE vulnerable, not less, to things like red sunlight and kryptonite. his speed, breath, energy powers would be useless against g -- well written g's cosmic senses would still let him find supes easily no matter how fast (g almost killed the keeper when his only goal was escape!). in ff, a celestial showed the ability to chase the ff through time. it's possible a high level g could do likewise, though i'm not sure g has actually time travelled before. i mean even luthor in his armor could battle and harm supes.

i still think darkseid is the closest thing we have to a real comparison, and pre-c supes was actually afraid of darkseid. that should say it all.

Thats why pre crisis was so good.

Superman and alot of others wer all powerful. But also alot vulnerable. There was (weird as it might sound) a good balance between the two things.

"False! Pre-Superman powers go against the physical world. That is why he could do anything imaginable. He also obtain new powers and abilities as the writers seem fit. No blast, hit, or attack could hurt pre-superman. So false, Galactus could not hurt him."

Tell that to :

Zha-Vam
Darkseid
Validus
Parasite (yup, he beat him once)
Captain Marvel
Wonder Woman
Vector
Mon El
Mongul
Spectre

Among others. All who could -at least- hurt Superman to be able to beat him like he wasent powerful at all.

Originally posted by leonidas
matter manipulation? where and when? even pre-c supes powers were physically based. he was also MORE vulnerable, not less, to things like red sunlight and kryptonite. his speed, breath, energy powers would be useless against g -- well written g's cosmic senses would still let him find supes easily no matter how fast (g almost killed the keeper when his only goal was escape!). in ff, a celestial showed the ability to chase the ff through time. it's possible a high level g could do likewise, though i'm not sure g has actually time travelled before. i mean even luthor in his armor could battle and harm supes.

i still think darkseid is the closest thing we have to a real comparison, and pre-c supes was actually afraid of darkseid. that should say it all.

And while he did have vulnerability to those things, he also showed that he can vibrate out of tune with this universe to avoid Kryptonite [which of course must originate from HIS planet, people thinking Surfer or Galactus imitating the rays are out their mind.] And that he could use the same tactic against red sun, or in the case of another scan I have, step between the rays of red sun, or just outrun it which he can do forwards, backwards, or sideways or slantways. Time didn't exist to Superman so he could pretty much move any speed he wanted to. And a Celestial showing cannot be substituted for a Galactus showing, same as a Galactus showing can't be substituted for a Green Arrow showing. Got me on that? It's simply not the same character.

That was a badass super-kick...