that's matter manipulation? 😑 i'd say bad science . . .
in any event, he's not gonna make g's beams 'harmless', like he couldn't make sinestro's or green lanterns, or kosmos's, or . . .. there are a heck of a lotta folk (oly named a few) who gave pre=c supes a run for his money. pre-c supes was spectacular because writers wrote nonsense in his defense, but there were as many nonsensical low showings as high. pre-c supes COULD be manipulated mentally. g could always fall back on tp if he had to (his mental powers were shown in the thanos series arc) -- which he wouldn't have to. anything supes could do, g could theoretically do at a higher level. got me on that? 😉
supes might be able to avoid him, but no way is he gonna be able to put him away with anything. as far as time travel i'm not sure, but since ss can do it pretty much at will, why would you figure it would be beyond g?
to say pre-c supes could fight him (logically -- a problem, i admit, dealing with pre-c supes because he often defied logic) is to say cap marvel could do it, and ww (who also battled pre-c to a draw) and dozens of others. he was spectacular and spectacularly inconsistent. why did he fear darkseid if he only had to vibrate away from the omega effect? how did kosmos ko him with a single blast? what other darkseid/galactus level foes has be beaten via his own powers and without plot devices? i'd be genuinely curious to know. as i said, even luthor could match him in his armor.
however i look at it, no way i see him winning a fight against anything but a low level g -- and who HASN'T beaten a low level g? if they fought in a comic back in the day, could supes have won? sure, maybe, i don't know. it's always possible that some writer would/could have granted him some never-before-seen power to combat g, but that's . . . nonsense. and it's also what made him so great, and at times, so silly.
"could always fall back on tp if he had to (his mental powers were shown in the thanos series arc) -- which he wouldn't have to. "
Pre Crisis Superman had telepathy as well, and was immune to it, or could feed any thought he wanted to.
"as far as time travel i'm not sure, but since ss can do it pretty much at will, why would you figure it would be beyond g?"
Silver Surfer HAS time traveled, but it was circumstancial and not considered part of his powerset.
"to say pre-c supes could fight him (logically -- a problem, i admit, dealing with pre-c supes because he often defied logic) is to say cap marvel could do it, and ww (who also battled pre-c to a draw) and dozens of others."
That's irrelivent, assuming they could do it just because they've fought Superman. None of them showed the vast amount of powers he has at their disposal. That's what is being considered. Power for power, none of those characters have what it takes to scratch him, let alone beat him.
It's a case of PIS/CIS.
So if you're arguing that a FULL POWER UNSTOPPABLE GALACTUS THAT WIPES OUT ENTIRE DIMENSIONS and bla bla, against a PIS'ed to death Superman who's not going to any of his clearly specified abilities..., of course he' going to win. Fact remains though, that he has the abilities in his powerset to deal with something like this. And no-one has proven otherwise.
Originally posted by Juntai
"could always fall back on tp if he had to (his mental powers were shown in the thanos series arc) -- which he wouldn't have to. "Pre Crisis Superman had telepathy as well, and was immune to it, or could feed any thought he wanted to.
"as far as time travel i'm not sure, but since ss can do it pretty much at will, why would you figure it would be beyond g?"
Silver Surfer HAS time traveled, but it was circumstancial and not considered part of his powerset."to say pre-c supes could fight him (logically -- a problem, i admit, dealing with pre-c supes because he often defied logic) is to say cap marvel could do it, and ww (who also battled pre-c to a draw) and dozens of others."
That's irrelivent, assuming they could do it just because they've fought Superman. None of them showed the vast amount of powers he has at their disposal. That's what is being considered. Power for power, none of those characters have what it takes to scratch him, let alone beat him.
It's a case of PIS/CIS.
So if you're arguing that a FULL POWER UNSTOPPABLE GALACTUS THAT WIPES OUT ENTIRE DIMENSIONS and bla bla, against a PIS'ed to death Superman who's not going to any of his clearly specified abilities..., of course he' going to win. Fact remains though, that he has the abilities in his powerset to deal with something like this. And no-one has proven otherwise.
but none of the powers you mention are consistently shown, nor has it been shown, despite what you are saying, that his powerset can be proven useful against an opponent of g's level. why jump to that conclusion if it wasn't enough to win against cap marvel? the thing youre missing is this: what IS pis/cis in regards to pre c supes? is it the 'matter manipulation' power or the fact that ww stalemates him everytime? there is no way to tell. so we look at a close comparison in power and judge how he's done. darkseid is close, and supes was not shown to be at his level at all. again, who has he defeated on g's level? maybe whirly can remember someone . . . i've a large number of pre-c books, and i can't recall anyone.
and no, i'm not talking about all-powerful g, just normal, avg powered g.
Originally posted by The Ion
Funny. Actually I've heard of a crossover where Hulk could not move PC Superman. 😆
yeah, i have that. 😆 supes says he 'can't be moved by anything'. hulk says he CAN move anything. just as the limit was about to be reached, hulk stopped pounding on him because supes discovered what was pissing him off. then hulk just walked away, calm as could be.
before supes laid the challenge, they were both hitting the hell out of each other . . .
Superman - "Evil FOE of satan!! I will slay you on this day hellspawn, Galactus! YO --"
Galactus creates a shield out of Kryptonite while simotainously transforming every star in the known galaxy into Burning orbs of Kryptonian energy
Superman - "UGhh, I, ccann.. caaan" *A little blood seeps out of Supermans mouth* "I cant, do i am powerless!!! even in my, pre- chris"
Galactus begins to almost feel sorry for superman but reflects on supermans previous attempt to slay him. He then moves closer to superman in his weakened state and begins to lecture him.
"Sure, through bad writeing, random powers and i will admit, some very impressive feats, you have slain many foes. But unfortunately, everyone, when compaired to I, galactus, eventually meets an untimely end."
A tear drips out of supermans eyes and he crys out to the heavens.
"I AM, INDESTRUCCTI--"
Galactus interrupts his speil with a kryptonite rock flying down supermans throat, the rock expands insides supermans stomach and superman is ripped into Four hundred and ninety two pieces.
Galactus returns the universe back to normal.
Silver surfer approaches galactus and they begin having coctails together.
End.
Originally posted by superbatman86
Wow you've never seen Superman fight Darkseid before have you?He doesn't have unlimited strength or power.This figh is a joke Galactus wins at any power level with out even tring.
pre-crisis superman was one of the most inconsistent characters of all time. His limit of powers fluctuated over time. Since that is the case then I am taking the best of pre-superman. That superman had no limits. He even did stuff that scientists now are saying was impossible. Thus he did the impossible. Beating Galactus would hardly seem impossible for someone who can do the impossible. And I assure you, if Superman fought anyone of great power (including Darkseid) to the death then the writers of superman would have gave him the necessary power or extra abilities to beat them (they created as they went along). This is the utter definition of pre-superman (able to overcome anyone and anything). They let certain characters get with superman's glamour only to add adversity at times (it would have been quite boring if no one gave him any competition). But let it been a life or death situation and see the new power of pre-superman come out as created by the writers. They (the writers) would have did (wrote) anything to prevent the death of superman. Even if that means make him do the impossible.
Galactus at normal or full powered is beyond superman, and he kills PC superman with little effort a hungry Galactus is a different story and the battle will be in superman favor, but against a being that can trun you into anieba just by looking at you or scatter your atoms across the universe is hard to beat.
Galactus 10/10
Originally posted by the Darkone
Galactus at normal or full powered is beyond superman, and he kills PC superman with little effort a hungry Galactus is a different story and the battle will be in superman favor, but against a being that can trun you into anieba just by looking at you or scatter your atoms across the universe is hard to beat.Galactus 10/10
Why do you keep saying the same bull over and over?
Galactus is not beyond pre-superman.
Pre-Superman was invincible to anything the writers saw fit (even non-magical transmutation)
That is why the omega effect couldn't harm him.
Superman was given unlimited power as the writers seem fit
That is why he could destroy solar systems with a sneeze, blow out stars with his breath, travel to any time, be faster than anything,etc.
Galactus can't compete with the pen.
Who could?