Originally posted by Marcus4600
^ A green rock, dick. Get over it man. It's not gonna kill you to admit that Superman can lose. Galactus is far beyond the reach of any being aside from someone with the power of Abraxas. Live on. It's okay. We all have to admit our favorites would lose sometime.
But then isnt that just speculation to say he'll be able to invent some way to win against Big G and neutralise his power cosmic? You cant use inconsistent, shoddy writing as an excuse to portray Pre C Supes as some omnipotent being, because he wasnt. In debates you can only go by feats theyve performed on panel which are in line with their power set displayed throughout their time in comics.
The creator of both Galactus and Darkseid said that Pre Crisis DS was on par with the Big G. Regardless of Pre C Supes' feats he was scared of DS and was never a match for him. Thats the crux of the matter.
You cant say oh he can invent this and that to win against anything. It doesnt work like that. You have no proof to say such things. Inconsistent writing does excuse such poor debating.
I cant wait to see how Pre C Supes does in Infinite Crisis. Hopefully that will put an end to this rubbish.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
We're not debating a comedic character here, this isnt a Howard the Duck thread. Using Pre C Supes' inconsistent writing as an excuse for lazy arguments is just poor. ✅
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
So I guess we should debate the time he got knocked out by a burgler or the time he sneezed away a universe. Or maybe the time he was caught up in a time vortex Lex Luthor created with orange juice. What do you mean he's not a comedic character?
Not intentionally he wasnt. Thats just down to the absurd writing of the time, writing we would now find funny.
Galactus certainly isnt a comedic character so how can you speak for everyone and say that no serious debate should go on here? ❌
Inconsistent writing is no excuse for lazy arguments. Find an average and debate. He was scared of Pre C DS, Pre C DS equates to Galactus. Mere speculation to say he can just invent a power to neutralise Big G. Thats shoddy writing, not a power.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Not intentionally he wasnt. Thats just down to the absurd writing of the time, writing we would now find funny.Galactus certainly isnt a comedic character so how can you speak for everyone and say that no serious debate should go on here? ❌
Inconsistent writing is no excuse for lazy arguments. Find an average and debate. He was scared of Pre C DS, Pre C DS equates to Galactus. Mere speculation to say he can just invent a power to neutralise Big G. Thats shoddy writing, not a power.
Someone once said Darksied was supposed to of survived the crisis. I don't know if it's true or not. And PC Superman's power WAS shoddy writing.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Because I'm as foolish as I am wise.
Hmmm 😉
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Someone once said Darksied was supposed to of survived the crisis. I don't know if it's true or not. And PC Superman's power WAS shoddy writing.
DS did survive but the majority of his showings since the crisis have been avatars and not the full DS.
Supes was written inexcusably thats just inherent to the times, you cannot say he will just invent some power to take down Galactus, thats just speculation. Find an average out of his feats, a level he consistently performed at and then go from there. Thats the best way to hadnle him in debates. Regardless he was no match for Pre C DS.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
DS did survive but the majority of his showings since the crisis have been avatars and not the full DS.
Supes was written inexcusably thats just inherent to the times, you cannot say he will just invent some power to take down Galactus, thats just speculation. Find an average out of his feats, a level he consistently performed at and then go from there. Thats the best way to hadnle him in debates. Regardless he was no match for Pre C DS.
He invented abilities all the time though. He could seal dimensional traveling foes into dimensions simply by vibrating. How does that even work? Besides, these instructions are like instructing a turntablist on phonograph care.
Originally posted by MattDay
its in superman complete history, it shows all his best moments if you will, like chronicles. have you got it?
You'll hav to be a bit more specific about the source. If you have it then it should have the issue number and title where that happened right? With that i'll be able to get hold of some scans. Without a title reference or scans your point about Supes fear over DS cant just be taken into account.
I think Pre-Crisis Superman had super-intelligence in such level that he could make a time machine out of normal household items. Is making something that can hurt Galactus that hard to him?
Or then he could travel back in time when Galactus was at his weaker states by vibrating really fast. I can recall him doing something like that too.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Interesting.[b]
He invented abilities all the time though. He could seal dimensional traveling foes into dimensions simply by vibrating. How does that even work? Besides, these instructions are like instructing a turntablist on phonograph care.
To me that sounds like he used his power set in increasingly more creative(verging on absurd at times) ways. Thats not coming up with new powers.
Its speculation to say he could come up with new powers to neutralise Galactus. That wasnt his power, that was absurd writing.
He was written inconsistently so to debate about him its best to look at his most consistent level portrayed throughout his existence.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
I think Pre-Crisis Superman had super-intelligence in such level that he could make a time machine out of normal household items. Is making something that can hurt Galactus that hard to him?Or then he could travel back in time when Galactus was at his weaker states by vibrating really fast. I can recall him doing something like that too.
None of those feats are beyond Galactus.
On top of that Pre C Supes low end showings must be taken into account just as much as his low end showings as theres no on panel explanation as to why they're not representative of PC Supes abilities.
The fact that he was terrified of DS when debatably he could have performed some of the feats youre talking of suggests that such things were only one offs, not things he did regularly and consistently. Plot devices basicallly.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The fact that he was terrified of DS when debatably he could have performed some of the feats youre talking of suggests that such things were only one offs, not things he did regularly and consistently. Plot devices basicallly.
Or is him not doing those feats PIS? So the fight wouldn't be boring?
Like Flash not speedblizing people like Captain Cold all the time?
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Or is him not doing those feats PIS? So the fight wouldn't be boring?Like Flash not speedblizing people like Captain Cold all the time?
Since theyre not feats he's performed consistently, since hes done nothing of that regularly to tell us its within his power set then very unlikely.
Flash has performed amazing speed feats. Hes stated and shown to be faster than the likes of Superman. We know him not constantly speed-blitzing is PIS.