God may be thought of as timeless, which means that god exists outside of time, unconstrained by the process of cause and effect. If god exists outside of time, then god can observe all events throughout the course of our history as if they were simultaneous. God knows what our future holds without also affecting our present or our free will.
It can't be look, if god or whoever knows what I am going to do, and I am not abnle to do anything else then I can't choose and I don'T have free will it just is true
and for the arguement that he knows that we will go to hell that is even more true since he could just choose not to create us in that way and we wouldn't need to go to hell.
It can't be look, if god or whoever knows what I am going to do, and I am not abnle to do anything else then I can't choose and I don'T have free will it just is true
You arent looking at it the right way. You dont know what he knows, to you everything is new so how do you not get to choose? His omniscence doesnt affect your free will.
and for the arguement that he knows that we will go to hell that is even more true since he could just choose not to create us in that way and we wouldn't need to go to hell.
Whomever doesnt need to go to hell, they choose to deny him. God will punish those, not "not create them".
If agents are truly free, their choice of action cannot be known by observation of the future.
If I have free will, my future is not fixed and my actions cannot known until I do them. For God to know what I will do before I do it, my future must be fixed but then I cannot have free will.
The existence of both divine foreknowledge and human freedom is a paradoxial impossibility. The only way it can be reconciled is to accept that either God is not omniscient or that human beings do not have free will. Perhaps the Christians that would like to have it both ways should read The Bible as it clearly states the latter.
Romans 9:18-20;
So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires.
You will say to me then, "Why does He still find fault? For who resists His will?"
On the contrary, who are you, O man, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, "Why did you make me like this," will it?
If agents are truly free, their choice of action cannot be known by observation of the future.
Your belief is flawed. Also just to let you know it says that God knows all things in the bible.
God knows what we will choose but your way you are interpreting it is as if God is only in the present. That is incorrect. He is everywhere all the time, past, present and future.
God transcends time.
Originally posted by clickclick
Your belief is flawed. Also just to let you know it says that God knows all things in the bible.God knows what we will choose but your way you are interpreting it is as if God is only in the present. That is incorrect. He is everywhere all the time, past, present and future.
God transcends time.
Even if God can transcend time, He can only know the future if it is fixed.
hang on a second, who said you sit on all the correct answeres, this is out of points of views and last time I checked you didnt sit with monopoly on common sense
If you understand the concept, you could not disagree with me.
Also I find your position quite... hmm strange. If you review above you can see time after time he insisted what I was saying was an impossibility and that I had to choose one of his two options.
So he does that, you look the other way. I show him hes wrong and state so, you get on my case?
Originally posted by clickclick
Again you are wrong. God is already in the future so hes already seen everything. God is everywhere all the time, the past, present and future.I told you your belief was flawed.
You can repeat that I am wrong at nauseum and it will not change the fact that the existence of both divine foreknowledge and human freedom is a paradoxial impossibility.
Omnipresence only reinforces the problem with omniscience. It would be quite impossible to be present in a future that does not yet exist. For God to be present in the future, the future must already exist. If the future already exists, it is fixed and unchangeable.
You can repeat that I am wrong at nauseum and it will not change the fact that the existence of both divine foreknowledge and human freedom is a paradoxial impossibility.Omnipresence only reinforces the problem with omniscience. It would be quite impossible to be present in a future that does not yet exist. For God to be present in the future, the future must already exist. If the future already exists, it is fixed and unchangeable.
You suggest your belief is a fact despite being disproven? That is nonsensical.
Do you not understand the idea of being the future? The future does exist, that is the very nature of the future. Human beings cant be in the future but an omnipotent, omnipresent one can.
You insist are trying to make God's nature like our own but that is simply incorrect.
The future does already exist, we just arent in it but God is, just as he is in the past and present. God exists outside of time, you know the place where the universe came into being? Where the singularity began?
The fact that the future already exists does not affect your ability to have free will. You make your choices, you live your life and wherever that ends up, God is already there.