Will there be a judgement day?

you havent shown him wrong all you come out as is an arrogant prick who thinks to highly of yourself thats why Im on your case.

States the non objective observer who quite frankly, has yet to explain why you didnt get on his case for the same thing. Hes done virtually the same thing but you ignored it.

If you dont understand what im saying, I cant change that. I can see how the concept might be hard for some people to understand.

again, as long as it is based on faith and belief it aint facts

This has no relevancy to what is being discussed. Im talking about a concept, whether or not it is possible. The concept is logical, that is a fact.

he never got on to " if you dont get the consept of this " and " you are wrong" This is about what we believe and it cant be proven one way or another, so saying that people dont get the consept of it and that they are wrong is the only thing that is actually wrong here

By your own admission, the future already exists. This means that the future is fixed. If our future is fixed, there is nothing we can do to change it. The ability to determine our future actions is what constitutes human freedom. Fixed future = no human freedom.

The only way to solve the omniscience paradox is to make it no longer a paradox. This can only be accomplished by negating the existence of one of the terms. Obviously, this is a lose-lose scenario for you which is why you obstinately assert that both can exist.

he never got on to " if you dont get the consept of this " and " you are wrong" This is about what we believe and it cant be proven one way or another, so saying that people dont get the consept of it and that they are wrong is the only thing that is actually wrong here

Just read his posts and you will see what im talking about. He states that what im saying is an impossibility (obviously hes saying that im wrong) and that it has to be one or the other.

Lets be honest im not gonna flip out about that, hes entitled to his opinion but why you seem to be looking for a reason to get on my case. I suppose you are saying it to me because you and I have had some disagreements and I am on the opposing side. That would be the most logical explanation.

By your own admission, the future already exists. This means that the future is fixed. If our future is fixed, there is nothing we can do to change it. The ability to determine our future actions is what constitutes human freedom. Fixed future = no human freedom.

The future isnt fixed, wasnt fixed by God. Its peoples choices that decide the future, God knows those choices as he is everywhere. He has already seen the choices you make, CHOICES being the operative word.

Our future is the future to us, we are limited to living in the present. God is not.

I suppose you are saying it to me because you and I have had some disagreements and I am on the opposing side. That would be the most logical explanation.

If people's choices decide the future, then the future cannot exist until those decisions have been made.

Either the future already exists and is therefore fixed, or our decisions determine the future and the future does not yet exist. You cannot have it both ways.

yes I absolutely agree you just say "but god is not understandable" and "it can be both" but that ius just BS, one way or another there is no easy way out there you have to choose just saying No it can be doesn't wexplain anything.

hey there bardock, sorry never got a chance to answer you earlier, i was gone for the weekend, so my view on judgement day......well i just dont know exactly. But seeing how everyone sees things different ways (i.e. god created the world in 7 days.....but what is 7 days to god, for all we know could be 1000 yrs a day.) I think judgement day is allready upon us but too many ppl think it'll be something that happens like in the movies, which is all in one day...look at AIDS for example, a diesease worthy of being callled a biblical plauge, who does it affect "sinners", and before anyone gets offended what i mean is that AIDS is a STD and there would be no, or very little spreading of such diesease if ppl were virginal till marriage, and thats one marriage for the rest of your life

I' m not going to turn this into an AIDS debate so I' m wisely keeping silent on this.

Oh hmm that is an interesting view.
But I want the 4 Knights of the apocalypse, the whore of babylon, the Anti-Christ and trompets, you know the stuff you want to see if you hav to die on Judgement Day.
But you got a point with AIDS. But I don't think a God has anything to do with it even though you probably could consider it as a biblical plague.

i dont personally consider it that, but the thing most ppl dont understand is that the bible is, at least mostly, about interpretation, if anyone wants an interesting real world view on the end of times read the book series "Left Behind" its like 12 books long but you fly right through it, and it really helps to understand what bible interpretation in todays world is all about.

and truthfully the apocalypse is stated in the bible as not a one day event but a 7yr. tribulation period after God takes his people to heaven for the rest of us to choose or lose, for lack of a better term, it is in this period that the antichrist will take over and society will have to take the mark of the beast to buy or sell goods, another little known fact is that the antichrist will come in human form, get assasinated and come back as satan, at which point he will reveal his true self and we'll all be screwed, forgive my spelling, im at work and trying to type as fast as possible w/o gettin caught lol

The anti-christ certainly isn't here yet.

haha, yeah I know aboot that, but are you saying that you actually will have a chance to redecide for god or what?

where do you know that freom frodo?

The Anti-Christ will be loved by all.

yes we most certainly will have a chance to decide with God, howeve at that time we will have to endure many unbelivable hardships to stand by our choice in God, think of it like the holocaust, only much much worse. And the antichrist may very well be among us today, he is said to be one that will rise in political power and bring false hope to the world, he may stop world hunger, war you name the prob's we have now and he will probaly fix it causing the world to belive he is the second coming of jesus, or at least one hell of a great guy, but be forwarned once he has control he will bring the world to its knees and kill all those who stand against him. Another great story of the apocalypse is that of the 2 prophets of God at the Wailing wall in the holy land, if anyone has heard of that.