Originally posted by theflyxx
Yes, Batman has defeated Superman 3 times, but if Superman (unrestrained and not holding back) defeated Batman just once, there's no way Batman would come back from that one defeat. He'd be dead.
uhh in one of those instances Superman wasnt himself!!! Batman still won! I dont think Superman was holding back and was using what he had to defeat Batman!
Batman has huge Einstien Brain!
Again, If Superman wasnt really trying they would of definately made him look like Gladiator losing to the Hulk which they made the Gladiator look like an idiot.
batman has proven him self time and time again that he can take care of himself. Survived odds where only people with superpowers had the best chance of getting out alive.
[I]Originally posted by theflyxx[/]
Yes, Batman has defeated Superman 3 times, but if Superman (unrestrained and not holding back) defeated Batman just once, there's no way Batman would come back from that one defeat. He'd be dead.
This is not entirely true because batman is dead. Some guy or batman from another universe or something comes goes to the batman before his fight with superman and tells batman. You can fill in the rest.
Originally posted by x_danny_x
uhh in one of those instances Superman wasnt himself!!! Batman still won! I dont think Superman was holding back and was using what he had to defeat Batman!
Batman observed in that same issue that Superman's reflexes were slow and he was subconsciously resisting. That's also why he beat Shiva so easily.
Batman has huge Einstien Brain!Again, If Superman wasnt really trying they would of definately made him look like Gladiator losing to the Hulk which they made the Gladiator look like an idiot.
I don't understand the rest of this...
The three times (I know of) that Batman has defeated Superman he did the following:
First fight: The Government ordered Superman to bring Batman in (Bats had become a political liability). Superman days earlier had been hit with a nuclear missle and was a little slow. Batman tested this by setting up six hunter missles that were activated by Superman's X-Ray vision. He knew Superman would have to be at full speed to dodge them, he wasn't. They kicked him around for a few minutes. Superman hit the ground and Robin hit him with a blast from the "Batmobile" (looked more like a tank by then) that could "sink a battleship." Superman finally lands in front of Batman, who hits Superman with a sonic weapon that shattered every window in the area and gave Superman a nosebleed. Batman then channeled every watt of Gotham's power supply into some gloves he had which he grabbed Supe's head and fried his brain. The power also fed the suit he was wearing which increased Batman's strength. He punched Superman around for a second, before Supes ripped Batman's helmet off and pushed him down. Green Arrow is in on Batman's plan. Superman almost notices him but Batman squirts acid into his eyes to distract him. Superman breaks Batman's ribs. Batman stuff a flash grenade (I think) in Superman's face...finally getting him angry. Green Arrow shoots an arrow at Supes, which he catches. The arrow explodes into a green glowing mist. Synthetic Kryptonite. From this point Superman seems to be unable to make any sort of offense. Batman slams him around, and chokes him a while, before having a heart attack and dying (actually he faked this by taking a drug before the battle). Superman at Bruce Wayne's funeral hear's Batman's heart start up again but agrees to leave him alone as long as he stays quiet.
Second fight: Of course Batman doesn't stay quiet. He builds an army led by the new Robin, Carrie Kelly, and they run around freeing old superheroes that have been imprisoned by the government (who as it turns out, is ran by Lex Luthor). Superman, who is controlled by Luthor and Brainiac by holding Kandor hostage, is ordered to stop whoever is freeing all the heroes. Superman, enraged that Batman didn't stay quiet, roars into the Batcave where he's greeted by a robotic T-Rex (a facimily of the one from the original Batcave). Superman easily disposes of the T-Rex, it was just to distract him. Flash runs up and sticks a bunch of explosives on Superman, which kick him around again. The Atom gets inside Superman's ear and wreaks havov on his equilibrium, causing superman to stumble around. Green Arrow again fires an arrow at Supes. Supes, thinking he won't fall for this trick twice, hits the arrow with heat ray vision. Oops...this time the arrow was filled with green glowing napalm which goes all over Superman. Batman (who is 58 years old at this point) walks up with two huge green rock hard gloves and beats Superman nearly senseless and says "Get out of my cave." Superman runs off the fortress of solitude (long since in ruins thanks to Luthor and Brainiac) and sits alone, in shame, and thinks "Bruce broke me down like a high-school geometry project."
Third Fight: I'm loose on the details of this one, but aparently Batman flooded Supes with red solar rays and used a kryptonite ring.
Ok, thanks. Well from those descriptions, it seems like Batman had a lot of help, and plenty of time to plan his attacks, as well as full access to the Batcave. I don't know what the rules of this fight were supposed to be, but the way I've been picturing it is the two are 'dropped' onto some location no more than 200-250 yards away from eachother (maybe closer) with no other thought in their heads than to defeat the other, not caring who it is, not having anything but their usual arsenal (which is most important in the case of Batman). So to me, the question becomes, what weapon does Batman have that he always carries with him that can defeat Superman?
I don't know, that's just how I view this battle. If people have different ideas or what not, let me know.
Supposidly he always carries kryptonite, just in case. If Superman were serious about killing Batman with no prep time then he would win, no doubt, but it would be out of character for Supes. One thing we must consider in the versus scenarios is the personalities of the people fighting, and Supes is much more likely to land in front of Batman and say "Bruce...let's talk this out..." rather than do the obvious and fly up and simply fry Batman with his heat vision and be done with it. Superman doesn't think in terms of "OK what's the fastest way to do this?" He thinks "What's the right thing to do?" I mean really...how do you think Lex Luthor has lived all these years?
Originally posted by OtterVomit
Supposidly he always carries kryptonite, just in case. If Superman were serious about killing Batman with no prep time then he would win, no doubt, but it would be out of character for Supes. One thing we must consider in the versus scenarios is the personalities of the people fighting, and Supes is much more likely to land in front of Batman and say "Bruce...let's talk this out..." rather than do the obvious and fly up and simply fry Batman with his heat vision and be done with it. Superman doesn't think in terms of "OK what's the fastest way to do this?" He thinks "What's the right thing to do?" I mean really...how do you think Lex Luthor has lived all these years?
Yeah, I see where your'e coming from. But aren't these versus battles operating under the assumption that the opposing sides are actually going to fight eachother, no holding back?
Now that was insightful
Now in the first two scenarios that OtterVomit presented to me It doesn't seem as if batman defeated superman, batman had assets at his disposal, and being a strategist isn't that they best way to go. But it also speak volumes that batman can indeed defeat superman by himself, if he so chooses. And it doesn't matter if superman is agree.
Now in the first two scenarios that OtterVomit presented to me It doesn't seem as if batman defeated superman, batman had assets at his disposal, and being a strategist isn't that they best way to go. But it also speak volumes that batman can indeed defeat superman by himself, if he so chooses. And it doesn't matter if superman is agree.
I meant to say angry not agree.
Originally posted by OtterVomit
First fight: The Government ordered Superman to bring Batman in (Bats had become a political liability).
No surprise Batman wins. He even said himself it took him years to create the synthetic Kryptonite. Years people ! Talk about a huge prep-time advantage.
And Batman had help from the new Robin and Green Arrow, he wasn't fighting alone. And though Batman was dominating the fight, Superman gave Batman a beating too, fake-Kryptonite or no fake Kryptonite, Green Arrow or no Green Arrow and so on...
And Superman was holding back too...
Second fight: Of course Batman doesn't stay quiet. He builds an army led by the new Robin, Carrie Kelly, and they run around freeing old superheroes that have been imprisoned by the government (who as it turns out, is ran by Lex Luthor).
And when the most difficult work is done, Batman shows up acting all tough and starts beating Superman...
No, let me guess, it's strategy 😉
Well put who?-kid. This battle doesn't involve Batman's "assests". If it did, than this thread would be called Superman vs. Batman and whoever else Batman feels like calling. I'm not saying Batman can't use Kryptonite or any of the weapons he's invented to fight Superman, but he has to have invented or built them before the fight started (this doesn't mean prep time, because you know Bats has got some already). Plus, he would have to be able to get to them. This fight doesn't start in the Batcave, so you can imagine Bats would have a bit of a ways to walk, and you know that Superman would never let him reach it. Batman goes down.