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rogues absorption list
The X-Men have saved the world dozens of times and saved the universe once. The JLA's feats are legend. They went against a apocalyptic superstar that would have destroyed an entire galaxy. They went against entire army of White Martians and won. It's not what they can do, but what they can't. Anything the X-Men have accomplished, the JLA could do quicker and more efficently.
I love both teams but the X-Men is my favorite child. The X-Men are human. The JLA are Gods of a Pantheon. I can relate to Wolverine's past better than Superman's. What many people find unappealing about the JLA is that they are so sickenly powerful, that they don't seem to possess humanity. The X-Men have lost just as many battles as they have won. The world hates them. I understand your need to stand by the X-Men no matter what. But I can't do that. I'm too rational and logical no to. On a final note, a "strength level chart" for any of the DC heroes does not simply exist. I don't know why.
their different universes, a whole army of white martians could be weaker than certain xmen foes, theres no way of telling which is stronger than the other
by the way, pheonix is a universal entity heheh, and she saved the universe with a few other characters in xmen: forever against the stranger and his ship prosh
Response to Havo470 : The White Martians had Superman-level strength, martian vison, invulnerabilty, intangibilty, the ability to turn invisible, telepathy, telekinesis, shapeshifting and finally superspeed. There were 400 of them. If the X-Men went up against them, they'd lose hands down. You also neglected the other feats I mentioned. As for the Phoenix, the X-Men lost when they went against her. It took Prof. X and Jean to break the Phoenix's hold. The Phoenix saved the universe from the M'krann crystal with the help of the X-Men. That was the "ONCE" I mentioned. As for the absorption list, I admit I was wrong about Rogue absorbing Gladiator (must have confused with an alternate reality or that Saturday morning cartoon).
Response to Supessucks: I didn't. The DC Comics Corporation does not release the official handbooks like Marvel. So I judged her strength on expert opinions and past feats. (i.e. supporting the moon, pulling the Earth back to its normal orbit with the help of SM and MM, supporting a celestial craft the size of a city).
the list wasnt meant to prove you wrong though, i just found it and this site is good so i thought it would be useful to put it up
in xmen:forever it wasnt even the xmen she saved the universe with, it was iceman, mystique, juggernaut, toad, and herself, the other memebers against pheonix doesnt really prove much as pheonix is part of the team
what i was trying to say is that these two teams are of different universes, where as avengers members are weaker than the JLA characters (solely in power) the avengers also go up against hordes of enemies and through the translation of these two different universes it would only be fair to keep the xmen and JLA at an even amount of substance
I too am logical, so let us speak logically. I have no loyalty to the X-Men, rather a disdain for fanatical ignorance, hence I leave my personal preferences out of this debate. I am willing to look at both sides of the coin. I have seen the members of the X-men defeated just as I have seen members the Justice League defeated. I only asked that you be more specific than the routine "Ahh, the Justice League would win."
In terms of strength, skill, speed, and pure power, yes the X-Men are vastly inferior. This isn't a popularity contest. It's a battle. Superman would beat Collosus, WW would beat Rogue, GL would beat Storm and so on. There's no skipping around the issue. Wolverine, however, would be the living snot out of Batman. I put the battle together as it was. In terms of courage, compassion and virtue the X-Men are equal if not more than the JLA. The X-Men fight for a dream. JLA fight for...something. The X-Men is equal to the JLA. It's just that the JLA would wipe the floor with X-Men if they ever got into a fight.
Re: JLA VS. X-Men : The End To The Debate
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Draco69
[B]Part One
The controversy surrounding this battle is staggering. There seems to be a bitter line between those who believe the X-Men would win and those who think otherwise. Therefore I elected myself to end this debate once and for all. I am going to give an unbiased argument as to why one team would prevail against the other. Both teams’ strengths, weaknesses, past achievement as well as past failures will all be taken into consideration. In order for this to have any merit, a consensus or rather a set of rules must be established.
1. The Environment that both teams will fight on is completely and utterly featureless: no buildings, no cars, no gophers, and no conveniently placed objects of weakness. This environment is that much of Earth. It adheres to all the laws of nature and physics.
2. The two teams know nothing of each other. They were plucked from their respective realities and were forced to fight each other for no apparent reason. They will give it their all and won’t hold back. The characters will act like their characters, so no lethal actions are permitted. (e.g. death from above heat vision) (with the possible exception of Wolverine, since he kills quite often).
3. The teams that have been selected represent the core members of the both teams and consist of the characters that have been most integral to their respective teams. No villains are permitted, regardless of prior affiliation. The number of characters on both teams is even and they are fairly balanced. The characters are at their normal power levels, thus no uber version of characters are permitted. (e.g. Ion, Diana, Goddess of Truth, Superman Prime) The teams are as shown:
JLA
Superman
Wonder Woman
Batman
The Flash (Wally West)
Green Lantern (Kyle Rayner)
Aquaman
Martian Manhunter
X-Men
Cyclops
Phoenix (non-cosmic entity)
Storm
Wolverine
Rogue
Iceman
Colossus
NOTE: The teams selected were given careful consideration. I know that a lot people will disagree with my roster but I will defend it with the best of my ability. To start off, picking the characters was not easy. I had to give both teams a fighting chance and balance the power levels between both teams. QUOTE]
I don't know about the teams being even in terms of power. I'd have to say that you've given the JLA a huge advantage in the overall power and ability department. Post Crisis Aquaman at his current level of power could probably give the entire X-team a run for their money...As could the current versions of Flash and Wonderman. And I haven't even gotten to Superman or GL yet...You must not like the X-men 😉