Wow, Draco, such passion! You are a worthy opponent. (no matter how sarcastic that sounds, I mean it.).
However I still disagree.
Magneto's power is the manipulation of magnetic fields. Magnetic fields, if powerful enough, can control any form of electromagnetic radiation. (you and I both know what that is.) In fact physicists hypothesize using magnetic fields as a means of controlling a fusion reaction. As you might imagine, it takes a hell of a magnetic field to control such a reaction, as it would require a hell of a magnetic field to control any form of high frequency electromagnetic radiation. Magneto is very powerful, and has the ability to manipulate the lower frequency electromagnetic waves(radio waves, infrared light). He is not yet powerful enough to (or hasn't found a way to,) manipulate visible light, or gamma rays or x-rays, or microwaves, or any other high energy waves. However he is capable of controlling matter such as plasma, which is a state of matter, not energy. He could possibly dispel any of Green Lantern's plasma devices or simply remove his ring.
Nightcrawler is faster, much more agile, and a better fighter than Batman. He grew up fighting for his life. And I'm sorry, teleporting does not take a lot out of Nightcrawler, he does it quite effortlessly. He could disarm Batman fairly easily using his superspeed and teleportation. Batman would never know what hit him.
Ah yes, physics. A "science" based on nothing but unproven hypothesis. I think you're pertaining to the theoritcal foundations of the electromagnetic field. Maxwell's equations on the limitations and potentials of wavelength energy, 'far-field' radiation and the subsequent geometrical theory of diffraction make up this foundation. (one might also argue that the the duality, uniqueness, image, reciprocity, equivalence theorem also apply but its methods of equation tend to make it tenative) Electric fields are created by differences in voltage: the higher the voltage, the stronger will be the resultant field. Magnetic fields are created when electric current flows: the greater the current, the stronger the magnetic field. An electric field will exist even when there is no current flowing. If current does flow, the strength of the magnetic field will vary with power consumption but the electric field strength will be constant. One of the main characteristics which defines an electromagnetic field (EMF) is its frequency or its corresponding wavelength. Fields of different frequencies interact with the body in different ways. One can imagine electromagnetic waves as series of very regular waves that travel at an enormous speed, the speed of light. The frequency simply describes the number of oscillations or cycles per second, while the term wavelength describes the distance between one wave and the next. Hence wavelength and frequency are inseparably intertwined: the higher the frequency the shorter the wavelength.
These key facts make up the bedrock that springs into electomagnetic field theory. (which I admit, I just got into). Magento may or may not be capable of manipulating the elecromagnetic spectrum, but prior events show that he may not be able to because, as you said, it requires a greater amount of energy to make the output convert from non-ionizing to ionizing. Non-ionizing electromagnetic radiation applies to radiation at at lower frequencies, such as radio frequencies. Short fat radiation frequencies require ionizing radiation which Magneto has not yet demostrated.
I just realized something. Why are we debating a comic book character written by people who don't know about electromagnetic fields? Magneto's fiction! For God's Sake, the Marvel Universe has a giant purple giant who has taste for planets! The laws of physics are useless in their world. I feel soooo stupid. 🙁
I am impressed with you knowledge of physics. However most of what you said was irrelevant to the arguement. Magneto has no source of electricity (aside from himself) from which to draw upon thus the Electric Field theorum is is extraneous to the arguement. I daresay you are throwing unimportant unrelated facts at me. It sounds as though you picked up a physics book and started hurling vocabulary terms.
Like I said in the my WW vs. Hulk, Physics is not my cake. I yielded already, give me break 🙂 And no I'm not that psychotic to pick up a physics book and "hurl vocabulary terms", it was all at the top of my head. I don't like this site THAT much.
Once again, science has destroyed the bylaws of sticking to the original topic.
Originally posted by Draco69
Whodamondog, why I'm arguing with drunken illiterate Jack Black wannabe like you is beyond me. Now I know how John Kerry felt during his debate with George Bush.First, I'm well aware the facially tattooed Rachel Summers. Her using the Phoenix Force was considered during the fight. Her power is unimaginable, and MM doesn't likely stand much of chance against her alone. That's why I said she would be the last of the X-Men standing. And her pyrokinetic aura (use the spellcheck tab) is not fire. It's cosmic aura that simply looks like fire. When the original Phoenix was holding the White Queen in her talons, Emma wasn't burnt to crisp. The fire is a metaphor for the fire that creates life and thusly destroys it.
I'm a triple major at Drew University (BY THE WAY, EVERYONE: YAY I GOT ACCEPTED AS A TRANSFER TO CORNELL. I'M SO HAPPY! I JUST GOT IT TODAY. COMPARED TO THE $40,000 I HAD TO PAY AT DREW NOW I ONLY HAVE TO PAY $6000 AFTER FINANCIAL AID TO CORNELL. WE ARE GOING TO PARTY TONIGHT!) and science is one of them. The electromagnetic spectrum is misnomer. It applies to the different types of radiation. It has little to do magnetism at all in fact. The electromagnetic spectrum consists of gamma waves, radio waves, visible light waves, microwaves, infrared waves, and x-rays . That's the middle school version. The electromagnetic spectrum is just a dialect of wavelengths and energies that translate to radiation. Now Magneto has stated many times he has complete control of the entire electromagnetic spectrum. This may or may not be a mistake made by the writer who lacks scientific knowledge. If Magneto had complete control over the entire electromagnetic spectrum, he would have displayed control over microwaves, and would have used in fashion like the Avenger Firestar. If he had control over gamma rays, why not create an army of Hulks? Gamma rays are incredibly volatile. It's often used to create nuclear warheads. Why not use them to destroy his enemies? Magneto has never used his powers to control light, so we can assume he doesn't have it. Same thing with x-rays. Magneto's powers match his namesake. He has magnetic powers. Control over metallic proprieties. He also has access to the electromagnetic field that surrounds our planet. He can disrupt radio waves and electrical energies because it travels through the electromagnetic field. The others don't (not conventionally anyway, it's more complicated than that, but I won't get into that..your head may explode if it hasn't already)
Someone give this man an A++...That's a pretty decent thesis you wrote there..... 😆
I think you better do a little more studying kiddo..or else you would know that Mangetism plays a huge part in manipulating different wavelengths and frequencies within the spectrum.
If we were to look at Magento's power from a scientific perspective
let us first break this argument down to a level that everyone can understand.
As you so humbly stated...Magnetism in essence, is essentially generated by the differences in wavelengths between two types of matter that reside within the spectrum. It doesn't just have to do with just metal my friends... but the various wavelengths we all resonate from our bodies(which are also composed of matter)
Magneto has been seen to lift human up into the air, create force fields..and even fire electrical bolts a more than one occasion..
Now in order to do this..he'd have to be controlling more than one wavelength on the spectrum...But then again these are comic books..no one really gives damb..It doesn't make logical sense for a dude to have superpower's now does it...Comic book are a fictional medium..lol..and when you try to add realism to to the unreal you kind of just end up with.duh..duh..duh..duh..scientific wannabe jargon..or in laman terms..BULLSHIT..LOL 😆
Originally posted by Draco69
Nightcrawler is a very good fighter. He wields a very unique style of fighting that many comic book readers enjoy. But his teleporting takes a lot out of him. Dodging a speed demon, rapid-fire heat vision, dozens of batarangs, and green plasma teletubbies would require continuous teleporting. Eventually he would be taken out. If Batman were to face him, the battle would at first favor Nightcrawler. But if his prior feats show anything, they show that Batman is an iceman ( a calculated fighter) who eventually detect a pattern in his teleportation. Sonic weapons, tear gas and any other scary crap Brucie has in his utility belt would be sufficient to take Kurt out. Batman's a master tactician who's survived hell and worse. A teleporter is just old news to him.
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WTF? Come now laddy..Please answer me on logical question? Is the topic of this thread NIGHTCRAWLER VS THE JLA? 😕
Uhhh..did we forget about Pheonix, Magneto, Storm, and the others..
It would seem so. Once again my man..let me reiterrate..your stacking up the cards for your (as tweety bird would say) "faayvwoite" comic team...In the scenario that you just mentioned above, you have multiple people attacking the "furry elf." I don't believe the JLA's going to swarm around Nightcrawler because of their fear of him defeating Batman..No my friend..I believe they'll have their hands full with the other members of the X-Team.
Answer just a couple more question for me puuuhlease..(sarcastic)
Is Bruce Wayne a freaking psychic?
How the hell is he going to detect where Nightcrawler is going to teleport? Please explain...
Does Bruce Wayne have an unlimited supply of tear gas and batarangs?
Can Bruce Wayne withstand a kick to the head from a legs that can lift approximately a ton of weight?
Originally posted by Draco69
Give it up Whodamondog, cause you're not "the man". Just a dog. You have nothing to offer but a blatant inferiority complex and a bitter taste of poor grammer. I can tell you don't read my arguments, that in itself would be a miracle, so you make annoying jargon that's completely devoid of facts and just full of stupidity. Give it up, and just bow before your intellectual superior. (Yeah, I know I'm arrogant bastard sometimes 🙂
I agree I am a dog.(at least that's what my gal tells me..)
LOL..POOR GRAMMAR..LOL..go back thru your posts and do a spell and grammar check Draco...a scientist you may be..but an english teacher you ain't..😆 But then again we're just debating comic books not physics/science..lol.....it's all in good fun..at least one of us is smart enought to know that(not yourself mind you..) 😆
It's nice to be wanted.
I read your post. It was interesting. For some reason, you wanted to argue the validity of magnetism having greater control over wavelengths and frequencies, then suddenly you switched gears by saying that it was fruitless to argue about science when it concerns a fictional character. I agree with the latter statement (nice to know we agree on something). The former statement is iffy at best. If you really get in depth (no, I'm on my winter break, and I'm not gonna argue about a science that's purely theoretical.) you'll find that magnetism does not have that much of an affect on the electromagnetic spectrum. (like I said its a misnomer) You still don't seem to understand what it is about. For example, you mentioned that "Magnetism in essence, is essentially generated by the differences in wavelengths between two types of matter that reside within the spectrum. It doesn't just have to do with just metal my friends... but the various wavelengths we all resonate from our bodies" I don't know where you got this, but this completely wrong. A wavelength is not an actual energy. It's just a mathematical unit to measure electromagnetic radiation. Wavelengths are converted to meters, and frequencies is converted to cycles of a second. We don't have wavelengths resonating from our bodies, we have radiation resonating from our bodies. I think you got the two confused. You have bare aspects right, but not the entire concept as a whole.
Nightcrawler cannot lift 1 ton. The Official Marvel Handbook on the X-Men states that his max lifting strength is 800 lbs. One ton equals two-thousand pounds. Batman does not have telepathy, but he's a brilliant tactician. If Nightcrawler attacked Batman first and managed to teleport rapidly with a dozen punches and kicks, then yes NC would beat Batman. If Batman faced Nightcrawler in the latter portion of the battle, than no. Batman would have deduced a pattern or trend in Nightcrawler's attack (i.e. teleporting from behind) and the elements that come with his teleportation (i.e. brimstone smell, and a "bamf" smell). Batman would take him out with preptime. Nightcrawler's been beaten by lesser opponents. (i.e. the flamethrower guy in the London tunnels.
Green Lantern's ring is capable of anything. It cannot be taken off magnetically because its not made of metal. Its made of a element native to Oa. Green Lantern faced down Dr. Light (who actually controls the entire electromagnetic spectrum) and prevailed. Green Lantern's ring makes hard light plasma holograms that can imitate any and all energies. The plasma is like a elemental stem cell, it doesn't know what to be unless the ring bearer tells it what it wants to be. That's why it can become anything. Rock, gas, fire, water, metal, concussive energy, anything. Magneto may have incredibly powerful but hes bound to one energy type, one power. GL's ring has access to all energy types. It's only limit is the ring-bearer's imagination. The ring also houses a supercomputer that contains the knowledge and wisdom of past Green Lanterns. Whenever it encounters a new threat that it hasn't before, then the ring is automatically programmed to scan the opponent for any weaknesses. Magnetism is nothing new. The Guardians once said the laws of science yield to the green power ring. GL can do anything he's little heart desires as long as he has the willpower to back it. He once contained a giant supernova, an exploding supersun with the power of innumerable nuclear warheads. He literally can do anything. Magneto would put up a good fight. But his powers and limitations is old news to GL. GL once went up against a guy named Justice who wielded incredible electromagnetic powers and won. His ring has already developed strategies and defenses prior to that fight and subsequently this fight.
You're a good debater, WD. But you skip around the issues. I have consistently met all of your arguments head on. You haven't. You still haven't refuted my argument about MM. Or my argument about GL. As for the Phoenix, Rachel is a rookie plan and simple. The JLA faced down 400 white martians, an army of angels, an ancient sun that would destroy the entire universe, and even God himself. The Phoenix would give a good fight, but with Batman's ingenuity, Supes and WW's raw power, MM's telepathy and the most powerful weapon in any weapon. The Phoenix and the X-Men go down. Sorry for the lateness by the way. I was watching a football game with my dad.
Draco, don't say the ring isn't metal if you can't prove it.
On the issue of Nightcrawler vs. Batman
Nightcrawler is not bound to a specific pattern of teleportation; he can teleport into the air, on the ground, or wherever he likes. He is also much stronger and faster than Batman by human standards, and is a more experienced fighter. Batman is a orphan rich-boy who has taken martial arts lessons and foiled numerous supervillians with his high tech gadgets. Nightcrawler is a mutant outcast who has had to fight since his early childhood to survive in a world that hates him. Nightcrawler is stronger, faster, more agile, and a better fighter than Batman. Strategy and weaponry simply isn't enough to save Batman in this fight. He doesn't stand a chance. Remember Draco, Batman is only human.