Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Juggernaut...the debate to end all debates...
Originally posted by whobdamandog
Excuse me..don't take offense to this but..WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?..if someone knocks him to the ground with a punch, or if he falls to the ground because of someone punching him.. wouldn't that be the same damb thing..lol..yeah I think so too..And I never made any arguments against him being invulnerable to pain or being immovable..read the initial topic again..(however both of these attributes are highly debateable as well)[B]
Debateable indeed but he is 😄
[B]What do you think would happen to Juggy's beady little head(not his entire body) if over 100,000 billion tons of pressure were applied to it in any given direction?[B]
Nothing would happen, no matter the force exherted against him. see thors godforce or stellaris celestial armor.
[B]A blow of that magnitude is capable of destroying a planet...[B]
True a planet but not juggernaut 😉
[B]So basically what your saying is that if Tyrant, Champion, or Thanos were able to pick the gem up with their hands..they wouldn't be able to apply enough pressure and force to crush it..I highly disagree my friend....[B]
Nothing would happen if they did anyway
[B]Things that are mystic in nature..have been destroyed physically..Thors hammer..the crimson bands of cytorrak...to name a few..kind of weakens your..."only mystic and destroy mystic" argument... [B]
Except for juggernaut he isnt capable of being destroyed
[B]being able to feel pain...and being able to be physically overwhelmed/defeated are too different things. Take the character Madcap for example..he doesn't feel pain..but he can be KO'd by an individual who is physically stronger than him..[B]
agreed
[B]The clarity is there..its just the level of understanding is lacking..lol..for those of you who are slow minded..let me repeat the question in simple words for those who lack the capacity to comprehend..
Can Jug Jug go down down by punch punch from big strong superguy? [B]
No one has been shown be beat him physically. 😄
[B]And no "mystic only beats mystic" BS..give me some real facts..good arguments..(where's JuggernautFan when you need him) make me a believer..[B]
[B]okay jug fans..show me what you got...
I intend too 😎
http://groups.msn.com/TheHumanJuggernaut/exemplars.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=96
this is why, after that the psychic in the group takes him out
http://groups.msn.com/TheHumanJuggernaut/exemplars.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=94
and some help the advengers did http://groups.msn.com/TheHumanJuggernaut/exemplars.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=95 (jj)
Originally posted by baddspellahl4
and why is it that the exemplars (if not for the avengers interference) almost friggin killed juggernaut?
It even said in that book while the Exemplars that Juggernaut didn't take out already that their attacks weren't doing jack but knocking him around, it wasn't til they knocked off his helmet that Bedlam (I think that was it's names) attacked him psychically that they brought him down.
Re: Re: Re: Juggernaut...the debate to end all debates...
Originally posted by whobdamandog
Answer a couple of questions for me..
ok, but i think they are silly, because atleast one of them is just common sense...
Originally posted by whobdamandog
How the hell does someone who's invulnerble to physical pain fall to their knees?(Hulk 404)
how the hell do you not see this??? what does being physically invulnerable have to do with standing up??? you can knock juggernaut down all day, but it doesnt mean it hurts him.
Originally posted by whobdamandog
Could the Juggernaut survive and regenerate from a blow that would literally take his head off?
nobody knows, but hes survived being stripped down to the bone (including his nervous system and brain). why not...
Originally posted by whobdamandog
Juggernaut's power is derived from the Gem..nest ce pas?So why wouldn't it be possible for someone who rivals the power of the gem to "physically" overwhelm him?
because his durability isnt based on things like everybody elses. its is a magic spell that empowers him. he can take as much punishment as the reality around him. which is what the laws are based on. which is also why war hulk could negate them. which is also why other magic spells can negate them. but using physical force the ONLY way to hurt him is to put enough pressure on him that you literally make reality go assunder. such as rubbing ice cubes together to make fire. or drop a glass and have it fall up. juggernaut being hurt is impossible unless you are just that powerful. which you would have to be pretty high up on the heirarchy of marvel to do. i believe eternity has been shown to be that powerful 😄
Originally posted by whobdamandog
It makes perfect sense to me..from a logical standpoint..I don't think you've really supported your position.."Juggernaut is invulnerable to physical pain.." is an extremely vague argument, and gives no real explanation as to why something/someone of greater power than the gem can not "physically" overwhelm him.
you are trying to 1) apply real world physics to comics. even a step farther 2) you are trying to apply real world physics to MAGIC in a comic book. magic doesnt exist, so ya just kinda gotta wing it.
Originally posted by whobdamandog
So far you Jugghead fans have disappointed me..
who cares... are we here to impress you??? i think not. you have shown me nothing by starting this thread.
Originally posted by whobdamandog
will a more enlightened/(educated..lol) jugghead fan enlighten me as to why Cain can not be defeated(physically of course)?
hope i've been of some help 😄
Originally posted by baddspellahl4
and why is it that the exemplars (if not for the avengers interference) almost friggin killed juggernaut?
actually they said juggernaut would break free long before stone cutter built the necessary equipment to separate cain marko and his magics. therefor they werent even close to killing him.
the closest they came was when juggernaut beat the crap outta all of them. then when they returned, they removed the helmet and telepathically assaulted him.
I think where hes stuck at is that most of us believe juggs powers are carved in stone...meaning if its written that juggs cant die or be hurt by physical means....thats how it is..no matter what....what i believe he's trying to say is...his abilities are not carved in stone ..the only reason juggs hasnt been killed is because he hasnt faced someone with the power to do it yet...or maybe im totally wrong! i dunno...maybe he is right...
Originally posted by long pig
I think where hes stuck at is that most of us believe juggs powers are carved in stone...meaning if its written that juggs cant die or be hurt by physical means....thats how it is..no matter what....what i believe he's trying to say is...his abilities are not carved in stone ..the only reason juggs hasnt been killed is because he hasnt faced someone with the power to do it yet...or maybe im totally wrong! i dunno...maybe he is right...
of coarse somebody with the power to kill somebody else, can kill them!!!! if that makes sense... whats the point in saying "hasnt faced someone with the power to do it yet".
anybody with sufficient knowledge of magics -could- kill juggernaut. with some preparation time to separate him from his magics. but no physical force is going to do it. you have to negate the magics that make juggernaut... well a juggernaut.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Juggernaut...the debate to end all debates...
Originally posted by KillAll
how the hell do you not see this??? what does being physically invulnerable have to do with standing up??? you can knock juggernaut down all day, but it doesnt mean it hurts him.
Damb...lol..well physically invulnerable would mean that he would mean that he wouldn't be dazed or dizzied by someone hitting him...He'd just hop right back up after being hit..
if his flesh was really that dense..people would scream out in pain every time they hit him...even the strongest beings in the MU wouldn't be able to really send him flying if his body was that dense..
nobody knows, but hes survived being stripped down to the bone (including his nervous system and brain). why not...
True..but that's why we're debating the topic..there's no real evidence to support him surviving a blow that would/could literally take his head off...(and the fact that he gets dazed and jarred from lighter blows..makes me believe he wouldn't survive)
because his durability isnt based on things like everybody elses. its is a magic spell that empowers him. he can take as much punishment as the reality around him. which is what the laws are based on. which is also why war hulk could negate them. which is also why other magic spells can negate them. but using physical force the ONLY way to hurt him is to put enough pressure on him that you literally make reality go assunder. such as rubbing ice cubes together to make fire. or drop a glass and have it fall up. juggernaut being hurt is impossible unless you are just that powerful. which you would have to be pretty high up on the heirarchy of marvel to do. i believe eternity has been shown to be that powerful 😄
His armor is supposably based on the "laws of reality" as well..making it impossible for something other than a mystical force to penetrate it..if this is true than answer me this..how in the hell was proffessor Hulk able to knock his helmet off with a punch?
you are trying to 1) apply real world physics to comics. even a step farther 2) you are trying to apply real world physics to MAGIC in a comic book. magic doesnt exist, so ya just kinda gotta wing it.
All scientific Jargon aside..common sense would dictate to me that if you can be dizzied and dazed from a blow(which would also mean that you can experience some degree of physical pain..) than you more than likely could also be KO'd by physical means as well...that would just make logical sense..and there has to be some logic we go by even when debating comic books..or we would have no basis to debate...
who cares... are we here to impress you??? i think not. you have shown me nothing by starting this thread.
No your not..your supposed to be proving to everyone as to why Juggy can not be physically defeated..so far none have you have given me any "logical" proof that he can't....other than "his magic's sustain him"
or "He can't feel pain.." You've presented your arguments well killall, however..most of what you said leads to the same thing I've already heard..so jugfans...are you ready to give in yet...because so far none of you have given anything that has not already been said...
Come on now laddies..have at me..prove me wrong..make me look like a boitch...lol.. 😎
Originally posted by long pig
I think where hes stuck at is that most of us believe juggs powers are carved in stone...meaning if its written that juggs cant die or be hurt by physical means....thats how it is..no matter what....what i believe he's trying to say is...his abilities are not carved in stone ..the only reason juggs hasnt been killed is because he hasnt faced someone with the power to do it yet...or maybe im totally wrong! i dunno...maybe he is right...
Finally someone who's making some sense .😱...lol....seeing as how he has been shown to be knocked silly by less powerful beings..I think its very possible for him to be taken down physically by the people I listed in my initial post..
knocked silly is in doubt...disoriented is more like it...like if you were in a car wreck that flipped the car but didnt hurt you...youd still be really disoriented ..notknowing which way is up and the like...plus juggs is reaaaaal dumb!
everything in comics can be undone somehow...but until they write someone who can negate all other characters powers by way of his strength (and they clearify that in writing) he cannot die!
he cant be stopped in mid-stride ! and he can not feel pain!
thats about all there is to it.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Juggernaut...the debate to end all debates...
Originally posted by whobdamandog
Damb...lol..well physically invulnerable would mean that he would mean that he wouldn't be dazed or dizzied by someone hitting him...He'd just hop right back up after being hit..
he would have gotten back up after hulk hit him. but seconds later, he was knocked unconsciouss by a phsychic backlash 😉 did you read it at all??
Originally posted by whobdamandog
if his flesh was really that dense..people would scream out in pain every time they hit him...even the strongest beings in the MU wouldn't be able to really send him flying if his body was that dense..
it doesnt matter if his skin is 1 cell thick, or if its 50 miles thick, its going to have the same amount of durability. just like the asgardian destroyer. both are indestructable because of magic spells. and when somebody hits him... what dictates if they are hurt or not, is thier own durability not thiers. also to send him flying all you have to do is be able to move about half a ton. cause thats all he weighs.
Originally posted by whobdamandog
True..but that's why we're debating the topic..there's no real evidence to support him surviving a blow that would/could literally take his head off...(and the fact that he gets dazed and jarred from lighter blows..makes me believe he wouldn't survive)
jarred or dazed has nothing to do with it. juggernaut still has basic human functions even though he doesnt need them. such as breathing. or drinking, or eating. he does all of them. but he doesnt have to. same thing with his balance. all one needs to do to daze him is hit him hard enough to stir up the equiliberium. its quite simple...
Originally posted by whobdamandog
His armor is supposably based on the "laws of reality" as well..making it impossible for something other than a mystical force to penetrate it..if this is true than answer me this..how in the hell was proffessor Hulk able to knock his helmet off with a punch?
his helmet isnt the same as his clothing. it has been destroyed before.
Originally posted by whobdamandog
All scientific Jargon aside..common sense would dictate to me that if you can be dizzied and dazed from a blow(which would also mean that you can experience some degree of physical pain..) than you more than likely could also be KO'd by physical means as well...that would just make logical sense..and there has to be some logic we go by even when debating comic books..or we would have no basis to debate...
read above. see the part about "equiliberium".... just because he "umphs" doesnt mean he's feeling pain. after all it could be just air being forced out of his lungs (yes, despite being a huge engine of destruction he still has lungs, even though he doesnt need them).
Originally posted by whobdamandog
No your not..your supposed to be proving to everyone as to why Juggy can not be physically defeated..so far none have you have given me any "logical" proof that he can't....other than "his magic's sustain him"
or "He can't feel pain.." You've presented your arguments well killall, however..most of what you said leads to the same thing I've already heard..so jugfans...are you ready to give in yet...because so far none of you have given anything that has not already been said...
and you are presenting nothing new that hanst been said before either. so where are you trying to go with this??
Originally posted by whobdamandog
Come on now laddies..have at me..prove me wrong..make me look like a boitch...lol.. 😎
we dont have to, you do a good job of that yourself 😄
j/k