Originally posted by whobdamandog
Dude..his helmet is made of the same mystical material as his other garments..don't believe me..lol..try this on for size..
And where exactly does it say that the Juggernaut's helmet is made from the same mystical material as his other garments?
Please list the exact quotation from the source you listed.
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Originally posted by KillAll
u are the one that keeps mentioning juggernaut falling down. then when i tell you that it was a cosmetic attack (it didnt hurt) and other characters have knocked him down before (and in turn have been knocked down themselves) it becomes irrelavant. try to stay on subject.
Excuse me..but..HOW THE HELL DO YOU KNOW IT DIDN'T HURT..LOL..
and WHAT DO YOU CLASSIFY AS BEING HURT...? If someone gets knocked on their arse and doesn't pop back up and say "oh I'm fine.." or jump back up like nothing happened..I would say.."okay that person is okay.." but Jugghead was on his knees for at least three freaking pages slumped over..lol..what the hell book are you looking at boy ..it's as plain as day too me...
yes, but anybody capable of moving 900lbs can knock him on his "arse" what the hell is your point... honestly??? juggernaut has knocked hulk down too, do you count that as a win?? then juggernaut just 2 issues prior has like 50 wins over hulk
Juggernaut has in fact knocked Hulk out once.(Hulk 402...they've only fought like 3 or 4 other times before..so 50 is waaay off)..and yes I do count that as a win...What's your point..what does it matter as to whether Hulk has been knocked around..lol...your loosing it dude..grasping to to thin straws that don't support your argument...My point has always been that based on the evidence from Hulk 404 and other issues..Juggernaut can be PHYSICALLY KO'D...JEPPERS FREAKING CRIPES..HOW MANY TIMES HAVE I REAPEATED THIS DAMB ARGUMENT...ITS NOT ABOUT HULK BEING KNOCKED DOWN..ITS NOT ABOUT OTHER CHARACTERS BEING KO'D...ITS ABOUT JUGGERNAUT BEING KO'D..AND IF HE CAN BE BROUGHT DOWN TO HIS KNEES BY A PHYSICAL BLOW...OR ATTACK..(IE NIMROD'S SONIC BEAM..OR PROFESSOR HULK'S PUNCH) THAN LOGICALLY HE WOULD BE ABLE TO BE KO'D..
LET ME SAY THIS IN LD LANGUAGE SO YOU JUGFANS CAN UNDERSTAND
JUG JUG GO DOWN DOWN BY HIT FROM BIG MAN MEAN HE CAN BE HURT BY HIT FROM BIG MAN...
you read it again, i'm not the one thats confused, and i graduated already 😉
Purchasing an online diploma doesn't count as a real graduation...lol
let me show you the error of your ways here. when talking about real world objects, yes density has something to do with durability. but juggernaut, it doesnt matter if his skin is a quarter inch thick, or 10,000 miles thick. its going to have the same amount of durability. his durability is based on magics, in turn are based on reality. to hurt him you would have to apply enough pressure to rent reality assunder. stop comparing him to alluminum, they work in different ways 😉
Dude enough with the science already..lol..you've already been proven wrong in that department....lol of course it matters if his skin is thicker..lol...the thickness of your skin protects your vitals...that's why your skin has various layers..epidermis..dermis..peel off one of those layers..and your body won't be as durable..lol...
And in regards to the laws of reality..what the hell does that mean? Never have I heard this mentioned in comic I've read about ol Jugghead..lol..the simple point of the matter is not what his durability is based on..its about wheter or not he can be overwhelmed by a physical force...its already been proven that he can be...(ie Nimrod..and Professor)
Your wrong....its okay...live with it......just use some common sense..and read what you just wrote...and try to determine if there's any logic there..
the time that elapsed consisted of juggernaut being on the ground (bottom panel on the right... on the left hand page) in a slumped position on page 24. the next time we see him he has his hands in front of him (meaning he was no longer on his hands and knees). i think that would imply getting up 😉
Now who's being misleading...lol..we only see the upper portion of his body... his hands were and eyes were facing upwards..as if he was on the ground...lol...no way does that imply him getting up..more than likely that would imply that he was on his knees(or at least crouching on one knee)...before the backlash...
ok, heres a scenario. get on your hands and knees. let me hit you with a baseball bat on the back of the head. which way are you going to fall?? straight down is the answer. are you going to have time to get up then fall to your back??? i doubt it.
Jugghead was on his knees..we don't know if he was standing..he could have been trying to get back up..but he was obviously on his knees on the ground for a period of about 3 pages..if he wasn't in anyway reeling from the attack..as I've stated for the millionth time...he would have been able to hop to his feet right after receiving such a blow...
and you know because?? he showed plenty of signs. went from being slumped over to having his hands in front of his face. he would have gotten back up (for cripes sake the writer will tell you that). you are fighting an uphill battle.
My point really has never been whether he could have gotten back up dude..my point has always been as to whether or not he could be physically KO'd...the fact that one of the weakest incarnations of the Hulk knocked him down to his knees and caused him to be reeling even for a couple of minutes..would tell me from a logic standpoint that he could be KO'd...it would just take someone of sufficient strength to do soo..Many of the beings listed in the initial post are much stronger than the Hulk.....I find it hard to believe that a blow from Tyrant or the Destroyer wouldn't cause juggernaut to be equally if not more so hurt/"dazed" than the a blow from the Professor..
it has to do with the liquid in your ear though. if that is disturbed you become disoriented 😉
Dude..that's the silliest argument I've ever heard....no more scientific jargon for you..you really make yourself look bad..and I'm starting to feel sorry for you 🙁
...true invulnerability..would not allow for someone to be dazed or dizzied...Vertigo is attributed to physical disturbance to the equilibrium within one's body..there's no denying that....the inner ear liquids are only one part of maintaining your bodies equilibrium..but they aren't the only thing that determines it..
Even with the "ear liquid's" alone being disturbed..it would still point to the fact that one could be "physically" harmed...sense the liquids are a part of our "physical" bodies...
a mystical attack can hurt him, physical cannot.
refer to previous response above...lol..I've repeated my point enough...
no he cant... his durability is based on reality. if you can make reality shutter physically, then you can hurt juggernaut. but you would have to be an extremely powerful being to do so (way above either of there levels of power).graduated... can you say the same?? this isnt about facts or logic, its about your warped perception of magics in the marvel universe...
The "Reality" is that you have no idea what your talking about..you base all your arguments on assumptions..and not on facts that clearly presented before you....
JugFans you loose...been a great debate...I'm outty on this one..unless someone can actually say something that makes sense or hasn't already been said(ain't gonna happen)
bye bye for now..lol
Originally posted by whobdamandog
Seriously though..you expect for me to belive a post on a message board that makes reference to another post on another message board.....that doesn't even have a link to the original message board in which the statement was made?....lol..sounds..pretty ridiculous the way I've framed the question..lol...but that's exactly what you provided me with in the link above..lol..pretty ridiculous...but then that's the level of intelligence I'm dealing with in this debate....lol...Okay jugfans...I think you've lost..you haven't proven a damb thing other than your inability to debate...and your lack of education..if this is America's future..than sad to say..we're probably doomed... 😆
So taking a direct blast from Stellaris's Celestial armor with zero effect to his person. The sheer energy radius of the blast hitting him was so powerful it created a large chasm in the Earth isnt impressive?
Or taking thor's godforce(which caused Galactus to flee for his life on one occasion,and shattered the prime Celestial's protective dome on another) with absolutely no physical damage whatsoever to himself is bad writing?
But hey everything is bad writing except the hulk knocking him down then a psychic backlash takes him out. Lets not look at there first fight where juggernaut nearly drowns him, or the beginning of there second fight when he knocks him out.....lol..... Your very sad. Did you have more planned or are we only going to talk about this one brief appearance where even the author says hulk didnt hurt him....lol....
😆 rofl this is what i get for arguing with a fool, you spend more time insulting our intelligence then you do proving your point. 😆 You know what, your right the future is already here, America has been overtaken by morons, 😆 im responding to the biggest one lol1 .
This isnt even worth my time, obviously you made this to bash juggernaut, and you have no evidence to support your claims. I bet you take a comic with juggernaut cut out all the impressive things he does and make one thin book with all his errors. Then try to convince yourself that that is what really happened. Hey how long is your book 5 pages out of how many......lol...your link showed me nothing i didnt already know, further more quit going to marvel directory as it is very old if you go anywhere go to the real thing http://marvel.com/universe/index.htm tell me does it say invulnerable? hmmmmm should tell you something or are you the one that is slow minded?
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Originally posted by whobdamandog
Excuse me..but..HOW THE HELL DO YOU KNOW IT DIDN'T HURT..LOL..
and WHAT DO YOU CLASSIFY AS BEING HURT...? If someone gets knocked on their arse and doesn't pop back up and say "oh I'm fine.." or jump back up like nothing happened..I would say.."okay that person is okay.." but Jugghead was on his knees for at least three freaking pages slumped over..lol..what the hell book are you looking at boy ..it's as plain as day too me...Juggernaut has in fact knocked Hulk out once.(Hulk 402...they've only fought like 3 or 4 other times before..so 50 is waaay off)..and yes I do count that as a win...What's your point..what does it matter as to whether Hulk has been knocked around..lol...your loosing it dude..grasping to to thin straws that don't support your argument...My point has always been that based on the evidence from Hulk 404 and other issues..Juggernaut can be PHYSICALLY KO'D...JEPPERS FREAKING CRIPES..HOW MANY TIMES HAVE I REAPEATED THIS DAMB ARGUMENT...ITS NOT ABOUT HULK BEING KNOCKED DOWN..ITS NOT ABOUT OTHER CHARACTERS BEING KO'D...ITS ABOUT JUGGERNAUT BEING KO'D..AND IF HE CAN BE BROUGHT DOWN TO HIS KNEES BY A PHYSICAL BLOW...OR ATTACK..(IE NIMROD'S SONIC BEAM..OR PROFESSOR HULK'S PUNCH) THAN LOGICALLY HE WOULD BE ABLE TO BE KO'D..
LET ME SAY THIS IN LD LANGUAGE SO YOU JUGFANS CAN UNDERSTAND
JUG JUG GO DOWN DOWN BY HIT FROM BIG MAN MEAN HE CAN BE HURT BY HIT FROM BIG MAN...
bye bye for now..lol
lol do you know what "ko" means, it means knocked out not knocked down.
Im seeing you being a fool more and more now thank you for showing me 😆 😆 😆
"JUG JUG GO DOWN DOWN BY HIT FROM BIG MAN MEAN HE CAN BE HURT BY HIT FROM BIG MAN..."
impressive can you count by twos and tie your shoes lol probaly not
let me say it so you can understand, but its not your fault your just stupid,
Nimrod did not use physical means to beat juggenaut, he attacked Juggernaut’s mind and nervous system with advanced weaponry producing tight-beam high-frequency sound waves and synapse dislocuter that jammed his neural impulses.
but like i said its not your fault your just stupid....
Originally posted by whobdamandog
Excuse me..but..HOW THE HELL DO YOU KNOW IT DIDN'T HURT..LOL..
because thats what peter david said 😉 ask him... its hulks writer.
Originally posted by whobdamandog
and WHAT DO YOU CLASSIFY AS BEING HURT...? If someone gets knocked on their arse and doesn't pop back up and say "oh I'm fine.." or jump back up like nothing happened..I would say.."okay that person is okay.." but Jugghead was on his knees for at least three freaking pages slumped over..lol..what the hell book are you looking at boy ..it's as plain as day too me...
3 pages... read again... you are off. you dont even own the comicbook. you also said something about thing being the only one being able to beat the original champion 😉 sounds like your comic knowledge is off.
Originally posted by whobdamandog
Juggernaut has in fact knocked Hulk out once.(Hulk 402...they've only fought like 3 or 4 other times before..so 50 is waaay off)..
i'm simply relating to you the issues you talk about. but you dont even understand that. you seem to think hulk knocking juggernaut down in 404 proves without a doubt that hulk is the ultimate badass. but if that counts as a win, juggernaut was knocking hulk down left and right in 402, which all those knockdowns would count as wins. not to mention his other knockdowns in 172.
Originally posted by whobdamandog
and yes I do count that as a win...What's your point..what does it matter as to whether Hulk has been knocked around..lol...your loosing it dude..grasping to to thin straws that don't support your argument...My point has always been that based on the evidence from Hulk 404 and other issues..
you seem to be forgetting juggernaut completely tkoing hulk in 402 (on his own power) and how he said hulks attacks were getting WEAKER while juggernauts were getting stronger in 172. you havnt read it, admit it.
Originally posted by whobdamandog
Juggernaut can be PHYSICALLY KO'D...JEPPERS FREAKING CRIPES..HOW MANY TIMES HAVE I REAPEATED THIS DAMB ARGUMENT...ITS NOT ABOUT HULK BEING KNOCKED DOWN..ITS NOT ABOUT OTHER CHARACTERS BEING KO'D...ITS ABOUT JUGGERNAUT BEING KO'D..AND IF HE CAN BE BROUGHT DOWN TO HIS KNEES BY A PHYSICAL BLOW...OR ATTACK..(IE NIMROD'S SONIC BEAM..OR PROFESSOR HULK'S PUNCH) THAN LOGICALLY HE WOULD BE ABLE TO BE KO'D..
how do you figure he would be able to be ko'd?? everything about juggernaut points to physical resistance. his armor, his cltohign, his skin, his healing/regenerating abilities/his forcefield. you are not going to tko him with physical force. psionics, and nimrod didnt KO him, he jammed his neural impulses 😉
Originally posted by whobdamandog
LET ME SAY THIS IN LD LANGUAGE SO YOU JUGFANS CAN UNDERSTAND JUG JUG GO DOWN DOWN BY HIT FROM BIG MAN MEAN HE CAN BE HURT BY HIT FROM BIG MAN...
getting knocked down has nothing to do with it. you are a simple man, and quite frankly it drives me nuts. you are too stupid to comprehend anything. if i shove you over, does that mean it hurts?? no... they are apples and oranges.
Originally posted by whobdamandog
Purchasing an online diploma doesn't count as a real graduation...lol
so what grade are you in again?? i graduated from high school... and i'm attending college now.
Originally posted by whobdamandog
Dude enough with the science already..lol..you've already been proven wrong in that department....lol of course it matters if his skin is thicker..lol...the thickness of your skin protects your vitals...that's why your skin has various layers..epidermis..dermis..peel off one of those layers..and your body won't be as durable..lol...
i've been proven wrong?? no... you arent listening. you are the one thats trying to apply science to a character based on magic.... in a comic book. the thickness of his skin has nothing to do with his durability. just like the destroyer. uru is used because its good at holding enchantments. without the enchantments uru is pretty worthless. its not even durable. but when enchanted it with a spell of protection, it becomes indestructable from a physical standpoint (yes the destroyer is indestructable also)... is it sinking in yet?? it doesnt matter if its a paper thin layer of uru thats enchanted, or if its 3 miles thick, it has the same (THE SAME) durability. stop talking about science, it doesnt apply here.
Originally posted by whobdamandog
And in regards to the laws of reality..what the hell does that mean? Never have I heard this mentioned in comic I've read about ol Jugghead..lol..the simple point of the matter is not what his durability is based on..its about wheter or not he can be overwhelmed by a physical force...its already been proven that he can be...(ie Nimrod..and Professor)
nimrod didnt attack him physically. he jammed his neural impulses. also, if savage hulk couldnt cause juggernaut damage, i doubt professor could 😉 savage hulk was described as being on the virge of insanity with rage, but couldnt cause juggernaut damage. professor hulk didnt cause him damage either. he knocked him down. but juggernaut has knocked hulk down also. what is your ****in point?? you are running circles around nothing.
Originally posted by whobdamandog
Your wrong....its okay...live with it......just use some common sense..and read what you just wrote...and try to determine if there's any logic there..
there is plenty. but you are trying to apply real world science to a magic based comic character. honestly who is making more sense here??
Originally posted by whobdamandog
Now who's being misleading...lol..we only see the upper portion of his body... his hands were and eyes were facing upwards..as if he was on the ground...lol...no way does that imply him getting up..more than likely that would imply that he was on his knees(or at least crouching on one knee)...before the backlash...
but he was still getting up. he was on all 4's, then he was on 2, or possibly standing up. you said that nothing implied he was getting up. but in fact he was facing in a total opposite direction shown to not be on all 4's, and was laying on his back. the writer also said the fight would have continued if not for a phsychic backlash. YOU deal with it. you are wrong.
Originally posted by whobdamandog
Jugghead was on his knees..we don't know if he was standing..he could have been trying to get back up..but he was obviously on his knees on the ground for a period of about 3 pages..if he wasn't in anyway reeling from the attack..as I've stated for the millionth time...he would have been able to hop to his feet right after receiving such a blow...
it wasnt 3 pages. on the bottom of one page he was on his knees. next page he wasnt show. *flip page* then we see him with his hands in front of him. that was it... it wasnt even a full 2 pages. you are wrong yet again.
Originally posted by whobdamandog
My point really
u dont have one..
Originally posted by whobdamandog
has never been whether he could have gotten back up dude..my point has always been as to whether or not he could be physically KO'd...
he wasnt ko'd or even close to it (writer admission) he was taken out by his well known weakness... psionics.
Originally posted by whobdamandog
the fact that one of the weakest incarnations of the Hulk knocked him down to his knees and caused him to be reeling even for a couple of minutes..
it wasnt a couple of minutes.. at best a few seconds. and the most powerful hulk (war hulk/savage hulk) couldnt cause him damage, why would this hulk be any different??? its not different, it was a cosmetic attack. please go look up cosmetic.
Originally posted by whobdamandog
would tell me from a logic standpoint that he could be KO'd...it would just take someone of sufficient strength to do soo..Many of the beings listed in the initial post are much stronger than the Hulk.....I find it hard to believe that a blow from Tyrant or the Destroyer wouldn't cause juggernaut to be equally if not more so hurt/"dazed" than the a blow from the Professor..
it could daze him, but it wouldnt ko him or hurt him 😉
Originally posted by whobdamandog
...true invulnerability..would not allow for someone to be dazed or dizzied...Vertigo is attributed to physical disturbance to the equilibrium within one's body..there's no denying that....
it doesnt matter, he feels no pain from a blow. sure it can stir up a liquid... honestly, who couldnt... just leave the subject alone, you are wrong.
Originally posted by whobdamandog
the inner ear liquids are only one part of maintaining your bodies equilibrium..but they aren't the only thing that determines it..
yes, but like i said, spin in a circle for a while and stop, does the room keep spinning???? no, it was never spinning. but it looks like it..
Originally posted by whobdamandog
Even with the "ear liquid's" alone being disturbed..it would still point to the fact that one could be "physically" harmed...sense the liquids are a part of our "physical" bodies...
what the hell is that supposed to mean?? it doesnt cause any pain to stir up the liquids... juggernaut still has basic human functions... and keeping balance is one of them.
so in review, we've accomplished that you think
1) hulk knocking juggernaut down for 3 seconds counts as win for hulk (404), but somehow when juggernaut knocks hulk down its irrelavant
2)juggernauts durability isnt based on magics, its based on alluminum.
3) if you can be moved you are not completely invulnerable.
does that about sum up your "logical" view point??
back to actual comics :
1) juggernaut has proven his superiority against hulk in 2 occasions, and proven he could take everything a suped hulk could throw at him completely unscathed.
2)alluminum has nothing to do with juggernauts durability, nor does it even compare on how they work
3)juggernaut weighs 900lbs, that doesnt make him vulnerable to physical harm. in fact (yes fact) he is immune to physical pain.
Originally posted by KillAll
[B]because thats what peter david said 😉 ask him... its hulks writer.
What proof do you have to rely upon this....lol..other than what you've heard from others...heresay does not make for a good argument son..puhleasse..that's not really a way to debate....
3 pages... read again... you are off. you dont even own the comicbook. you also said something about thing being the only one being able to beat the original champion 😉 sounds like your comic knowledge is off.
I used to own it..hell I used to have the entire "Peter David" run(Pantheon Saga and all..) I don't have it in front of me as a reference but let me pull it out from my brain...
Hulk: "Who are you" punches juggernaut in head (1st page)
Hulk: "your not my father...who are you...puches jugg in the stomach
Hulk: "Get out of my head(Stands screaming like a loon over Jugghead while Avengers watch..)
2nd page
Bruce's father: Bruce stop I command you this instant..(or something like that..)
Hulk: No..your wrong your mucking with my head... No one does this to me nobody...get out
(Talking to the image of his father...don't see Jugghead on this page..)
3rd page
Hulk: Get oooooooutt!!(and we see a bunch of spliced scenes..including the one with juggernaut looking up with his hands in the air....which would imply to most that he is still in a crouching position...)
lol...that was three pages my woman....learn to count...
And your saying all of this dialogue(keep in mind I left out some..I can't remember all of the original dialogue)..including the hulk punching juggernaut and screaming over him..occured within the course of a couple of seconds...yeaaaah riiiiiiiiiiiggght.. 🙄
i'm simply relating to you the issues you talk about. but you dont even understand that. you seem to think hulk knocking juggernaut down in 404 proves without a doubt that hulk is the ultimate badass. but if that counts as a win, juggernaut was knocking hulk down left and right in 402, which all those knockdowns would count as wins. not to mention his other knockdowns in 172.
Dude your such a simpleton..lol...I don't care about hulk winning or loosing to Juggy..that's not what I'm debating..IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HULKS ABILITY..WE'R NOT DEBATING THAT IN THIS POST...WE'RE DEBATING JUGGERNAUT BEING ABLE TO BE KO'D BY PHYSICAL FORCE..LOL...I would think after for f**ing pages of me repeating it would get you all to understand...
you seem to be forgetting juggernaut completely tkoing hulk in 402 (on his own power) and how he said hulks attacks were getting WEAKER while juggernauts were getting stronger in 172. you havnt read it, admit it.
refer to the above responses..lol..damb you guys are soo dupid...
how do you figure he would be able to be ko'd?? everything about juggernaut points to physical resistance. his armor, his cltohign, his skin, his healing/regenerating abilities/his forcefield. you are not going to tko him with physical force. psionics, and nimrod didnt KO him, he jammed his neural impulses 😉
Do you realize that you just admitted to juggernaut being physically "vulnerable" in the above quote...if not read again..."physical resistance" does not equate to "invulnerability"...lol..your nervous sytem..is part of your physical body........
getting knocked down has nothing to do with it. you are a simple man, and quite frankly it drives me nuts. you are too stupid to comprehend anything. if i shove you over, does that mean it hurts?? no... they are apples and oranges.
WTF..of course it does laddy...refer to previous posts if you don't understand...your as dense as a bowling ball......your being drivin nuts because I've already proven all your scientific jargon and comic book knowledge...to be inaccurate....the only thing you have to rely upon is assumptions..nothing factual..
so what grade are you in again?? i graduated from high school... and i'm attending college now.
Didn't graduate college...thank the lord for that..I was beginning to worry about America's system of higher earning...lol..I'm a sophmore in college by the way....
i've been proven wrong?? no... you arent listening. you are the one thats trying to apply science to a character based on magic.... in a comic book. the thickness of his skin has nothing to do with his durability. just like the destroyer. uru is used because its good at holding enchantments. without the enchantments uru is pretty worthless. its not even durable. but when enchanted it with a spell of protection, it becomes indestructable from a physical standpoint (yes the destroyer is indestructable also)... is it sinking in yet?? it doesnt matter if its a paper thin layer of uru thats enchanted, or if its 3 miles thick, it has the same (THE SAME) durability. stop talking about science, it doesnt apply here.
lol..I can't listen to you your nimwad..lol..we're writing..Anyways...
I didn't want to apply science..but it came up..and I had to set you straight..didn't want you to misinform all the other young wippersnappers out there...lol...
Not sure where the hell your going with what's listed above...lol..you say no science...then you say thickness(which applies to weight/density as well) has nothing to do with durability...(which would be a scientific argument..and completely wrong..lol) then you use the argument that the material is "enchanted"(back to comic books debate again..)..lol..dude...make up your mind as to what you want to debate..and get your facts right when you start debating..lol
nimrod didnt attack him physically. he jammed his neural impulses. also, if savage hulk couldnt cause juggernaut damage, i doubt professor could 😉 savage hulk was described as being on the virge of insanity with rage, but couldnt cause juggernaut damage. professor hulk didnt cause him damage either. he knocked him down. but juggernaut has knocked hulk down also. what is your ****in point?? you are running circles around nothing.
lol refer to the beginning responses...lol..you seem to want to debate Hulk vs Juggernaut...lol..that's not the topic of this debate..
there is plenty. but you are trying to apply real world science to a magic based comic character. honestly who is making more sense here??
I'm making sense your not...its as clear as day you have no idea what your talking about from a scientific or comic knowledge perspective...
but he was still getting up. he was on all 4's, then he was on 2, or possibly standing up. you said that nothing implied he was getting up. but in fact he was facing in a total opposite direction shown to not be on all 4's, and was laying on his back. the writer also said the fight would have continued if not for a phsychic backlash. YOU deal with it. you are wrong.
LOL..OKAY..since you just admitted it...I'll agree with you on one thing..he was probably in the process of getting up..but he was reeling for a while....whether it be 2..3 or 5 pages...he didn't immediately get back up...which would lead me to the conclusion that....HE WAS PHYSICALLY HURT.. and if you say that he was dazed..than that would be the same damb thing...if someone hits you hard enough to knock your normal equilibrium off..in my book..and most other logical peoples books..that qualifies as being a "physical" vulnerability..even if he doesn't feel "pain"...
It wasnt 3 pages. on the bottom of one page he was on his knees. next page he wasnt show. *flip page* then we see him with his hands in front of him. that was it... it wasnt even a full 2 pages. you are wrong yet again.
I don't know if your trying to be misleading or if your just plain dupid..refer to my summary above..lol..your wrong yet again..lol...
he wasnt ko'd or even close to it (writer admission) he was taken out by his well known weakness... psionics.
refer to first response......lol...besides whether it was psionics...or not..his nervous system is part of his physical body.....
it wasnt a couple of minutes.. at best a few seconds. and the most powerful hulk (war hulk/savage hulk) couldnt cause him damage, why would this hulk be any different??? its not different, it was a cosmetic attack. please go look up cosmetic.
LOL..well neither of us know exactly how long it was..but it was obviously longer than just two or three seconds...the whole scenario lasted 3 pages...damb your so dupid....
it doesnt matter, he feels no pain from a blow. sure it can stir up a liquid... honestly, who couldnt... just leave the subject alone, you are wrong.what the hell is that supposed to mean?? it doesnt cause any pain to stir up the liquids... juggernaut still has basic human functions... and keeping balance is one of them.
...damb your so dupid....refer to above responses..please take some physics and science classes while your in college....
Okay mister....I think that just about wraps it up...I had a good time debating..just puhllease for the life of you..stay in school..I don't want to be supporting you with my tax money in the next couple of years...
and talon your too much for me to handle...lol..(sic) I give into your superior knowledge...(sic)
I'm outty on this debate..(for real now)
I think you guys are missing the point here. Juggs is the same as thanos and thor because of the magic. You could hit him with a force that could destroy a universe and he will be potected because of his curse. Same as Thanos is immortal because of his and thore is immortal because he is a god. So science gets trumped by magic.
That said, this is one boring and one dimensional character. You say who can beat him, well actually who can HE beat? I see the threads of him against thor,SS, Hulk, thanos, dr.Strange. He can't beat these characters they are all stalemates. I do think with better writing Dr.Strange and Thor could whip his ass because their magic should nulifiy his and take his powers away. Espec Strange.
The guy that can beat him, Reed Richards! just has to go ask his buddy The Watcher, they know everything!
i have to agree...he is one dimentional...yet there is a certian something to him...i mean...look how many people really really like the guy!
he as a redeeming quality something entertaining about him maybe its the fact he could beat the best if he only tried...but alas...hes a dumbass!
too bad too...cuz even myself..i hate everything! but somehow i like him
HeHe as i am writing this i am watching the simpsons and the one where homer is boxing, and that reminded me of juggs, he can take all the punchs but cant fight back well against the top fighters.
One thing i found funny is that his is a curse and thanos is a curse, well being unstoppable and immortal sounds like a curse, most people esp comic book characters strive for that, good thing they didnt get a STD instead, now thats a curse.
They actually went with the whole "curse" aspect of it in a What If if a few years back. Juggernaut finally succeeded in killing Xavier and the X-Men, but that was a mistake for the rest of the world. I don't remember everythign that happened off my head, but it ended up with most of the world's population being wiped out because of a radiation, except Juggernaut of course. I won't get int othe rest of it, but Juggernaut basically ended up alone. Yeah, his powers have it's good and bad sides to it.
Originally posted by whobdamandog
What proof do you have to rely upon this....lol..other than what you've heard from others...heresay does not make for a good argument son..puhleasse..that's not really a way to debate....I used to own it..hell I used to have the entire "Peter David" run(Pantheon Saga and all..) I don't have it in front of me as a reference but let me pull it out from my brain...
Hulk: "Who are you" punches juggernaut in head (1st page)
Hulk: "your not my father...who are you...puches jugg in the stomach
Hulk: "Get out of my head(Stands screaming like a loon over Jugghead while Avengers watch..)2nd page
Bruce's father: Bruce stop I command you this instant..(or something like that..)
Hulk: No..your wrong your mucking with my head... No one does this to me nobody...get out
(Talking to the image of his father...don't see Jugghead on this page..)3rd page
Hulk: Get oooooooutt!!(and we see a bunch of spliced scenes..including the one with juggernaut looking up with his hands in the air....which would imply to most that he is still in a crouching position...)
lol...that was three pages my woman....learn to count...
And your saying all of this dialogue(keep in mind I left out some..I can't remember all of the original dialogue)..including the hulk punching juggernaut and screaming over him..occured within the course of a couple of seconds...yeaaaah riiiiiiiiiiiggght.. 🙄
Dude your such a simpleton..lol...I don't care about hulk winning or loosing to Juggy..that's not what I'm debating..IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HULKS ABILITY..WE'R NOT DEBATING THAT IN THIS POST...WE'RE DEBATING JUGGERNAUT BEING ABLE TO BE KO'D BY PHYSICAL FORCE..LOL...I would think after for f**ing pages of me repeating it would get you all to understand...
refer to the above responses..lol..damb you guys are soo dupid...
Do you realize that you just admitted to juggernaut being physically "vulnerable" in the above quote...if not read again..."physical resistance" does not equate to "invulnerability"...lol..your nervous sytem..is part of your physical body........
WTF..of course it does laddy...refer to previous posts if you don't understand...your as dense as a bowling ball......your being drivin nuts because I've already proven all your scientific jargon and comic book knowledge...to be inaccurate....the only thing you have to rely upon is assumptions..nothing factual..
Didn't graduate college...thank the lord for that..I was beginning to worry about America's system of higher earning...lol..I'm a sophmore in college by the way....
lol..I can't listen to you your nimwad..lol..we're writing..Anyways...
I didn't want to apply science..but it came up..and I had to set you straight..didn't want you to misinform all the other young wippersnappers out there...lol...
Not sure where the hell your going with what's listed above...lol..you say no science...then you say thickness(which applies to weight/density as well) has nothing to do with durability...(which would be a scientific argument..and completely wrong..lol) then you use the argument that the material is "enchanted"(back to comic books debate again..)..lol..dude...make up your mind as to what you want to debate..and get your facts right when you start debating..lol
lol refer to the beginning responses...lol..you seem to want to debate Hulk vs Juggernaut...lol..that's not the topic of this debate..
I'm making sense your not...its as clear as day you have no idea what your talking about from a scientific or comic knowledge perspective...
LOL..OKAY..since you just admitted it...I'll agree with you on one thing..he was probably in the process of getting up..but he was reeling for a while....whether it be 2..3 or 5 pages...he didn't immediately get back up...which would lead me to the conclusion that....HE WAS PHYSICALLY HURT.. and if you say that he was dazed..than that would be the same damb thing...if someone hits you hard enough to knock your normal equilibrium off..in my book..and most other logical peoples books..that qualifies as being a "physical" vulnerability..even if he doesn't feel "pain"...
I don't know if your trying to be misleading or if your just plain dupid..refer to my summary above..lol..your wrong yet again..lol...
refer to first response......lol...besides whether it was psionics...or not..his nervous system is part of his physical body.....
LOL..well neither of us know exactly how long it was..but it was obviously longer than just two or three seconds...the whole scenario lasted 3 pages...damb your so dupid....
...damb your so dupid....refer to above responses..please take some physics and science classes while your in college....
Okay mister....I think that just about wraps it up...I had a good time debating..just puhllease for the life of you..stay in school..I don't want to be supporting you with my tax money in the next couple of years...
and talon your too much for me to handle...lol..(sic) I give into your superior knowledge...(sic)
I'm outty on this debate..(for real now)
Your looking at this the wrong way, your looking at his physical body being injured during anykind of attack, if you look at it like that then yes, he can be physically injured.
telepathy hurts his mind, mind=physical body. nimrod attacked nervous system, nervous system=physical body.
although this is where you are wrong, hulks attacks did not hurt him, if it hurt it would be a clear "ouch" or "man that hurt" not "umph", i mean, you could get him in the head with a pillow and go "umph" but did it hurt?
slow to getting up or not that was the writer and his attempt to bring a nice way to wrap up the comic using the psychic backlash, which is what knocks out juggernaut because it hurt his mind,mind=physical body.
getting knocked down counting as a victory is "dupid" on your behalf, and only counting juggernaut getting knocked down as victories proves that you are a juggernaut basher.
go read some books junior book
this entire "juggernaut isnt invulnerable is quite sad, its kinda funny how you read this much into things, when the writers and authors say that juggernaut is invulnerable" hysterical
so do us all a favor and shut up shutup
Originally posted by talon00x
Your looking at this the wrong way, your looking at his physical body being injured during anykind of attack, if you look at it like that then yes, he can be physically injured.telepathy hurts his mind, mind=physical body. nimrod attacked nervous system, nervous system=physical body.
although this is where you are wrong, hulks attacks did not hurt him, if it hurt it would be a clear "ouch" or "man that hurt" not "umph", i mean, you could get him in the head with a pillow and go "umph" but did it hurt?
slow to getting up or not that was the writer and his attempt to bring a nice way to wrap up the comic using the psychic backlash, which is what knocks out juggernaut because it hurt his mind,mind=physical body.
getting knocked down counting as a victory is "dupid" on your behalf, and only counting juggernaut getting knocked down as victories proves that you are a juggernaut basher.
go read some books junior book
this entire "juggernaut isnt invulnerable is quite sad, its kinda funny how you read this much into things, when the writers and authors say that juggernaut is invulnerable" hysterical
so do us all a favor and shut up shutup
my mamma always said don't argue with an idiot..lol..they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience....and it looks like I've been beaten..lol...you win...you JugFans are too much for me..peace out ..I'm going to smoke some herb.. 😮💨