Originally posted by whobdamandog
..Finally found someone here is thinking logically. 😱 ..I don't they have to be more powerful than Cytorrak however...only more powerful than the "fraction" of his power that Juggy weilds...
you do realize this guy has limited comic knowledge and bases everything he reads off of cards??? lol... the one guy that agrees with you has picked up a handful of comics, and none of them are probably juggernaut 😉
shows how much the both of you know.
Coming back like a battered woman eh...lol...some people never learn...lol
Originally posted by KillAll
[B]link just brought up a bunch of boxs... post a link to what you want me to see.
so now you want me to teach you how to use the computer to...lol..
okay little one....
go to http://marvel.com/universe/index.htm
under "families" select X-men...
then select "juggernaut"
then select "powers..."
if you still can't get the site...than call your ISP's tech support...damb I feel like I'm dealing with 2 year old....
just like your below average intelligence is beginning to annoy me.. please read below.ok, now you are saying that we arent debating weather he feels pain, yet you want to know if he can be knocked out physically. cant feel pain = not being knocked out.
no pain = no knockout..lol..riiiiiiight...🙄
LOL...dude..your killing me with your keen rationale..😆
..lol...my woman this is getting pretty sad...you still don't get it do you...lol...you just keep on repeating the same damb non-sensical things that have already been proven wrong....only thing you can do now is trash talk..lol...and it still looks pretty bad..cause you've been consistantly proven wrong by someone who is "below average" intelligence...lol..what does that say about your mental capacity...lol..
yes, but they also cause the boxer PAIN. which juggernaut is incapable of sustaining and or feeling... he cant be injured. also, juggernaut was stabbed in the eyes by a sword (which is plenty long enough to reach his brain) and wasnt affected or knocked out. d'spayre completely stripped him down to the bone (including nervous system/brain) yet he still wasnt unconsciouss. it didnt even slow him down. hulk cannot produce this kind of attack. hulk cannot do worse to juggernaut. hulk cannot knock him out.
LOL..still on the hulk subject..yeah who cares what hulk can/cannot do to juggy....lol..the whole damb point has always been that juggy can be knocked out based on the fact that he has a normal human equilibrium..(ie being dazed from a punch..)..which you yourself have admitted to..
if you haven't figured that out by now...than damb dude you are reeaaallly slow...
you do some research on the character. i'm sure that having your brain stabbed would be worse than a boxing match scenario you provided us with. or that having your nervous system completely disentigrated is worse than having your head boxed. hulk hasnt jarred juggernaut, he never will. those attacks didnt stop juggernaut, hulks cant either. deal with it.
It was a mystical attack....lol....as we pointed out earlier..the swords have mystical properties to them...
Didn't say the Hulk stopped him..but He did leave him dazed/reeling..you have already admitted this earlier on..let me refresh your memory..
[i]originally posted by KillAll[i]
".. all one needs to do to daze him is hit him hard enough to stir up the equiliberium. its quite simple..."
...just give it up buddy..at this point your argument has already been proven wrong....
now you change your tactics. trying to disprove everybody, whom is saying you are wrong. and i'm not the one in question here, its juggernaut.
LOL..your the one changing your tactics..first you stated he could be dazed..now your saying he can't and that...
No hurt = No knockout(which makes absolutely no damb sense)
lol..you seem to think that fact that people agree with you proves you right...(which just shows how dupid you are...)
...its a good thing we have people who don't agree with everyone else around or else there we would still be thinking the world was flat..lol.....living in a segregated society...and bowing to the Queen of England...lol
but hey you know what they say...Age doesn't always bring wisdom. Sometimes age comes alone...lol..anyways...
obviously 😉 you are a simple man...
Obviously your retarded...lol..and are to damb stubborn/ignorant to admit to being wrong...but hey you have the right to your opinion...regardless of however wrong it might be...lol...💃
Originally posted by whobdamandog
Coming back like a battered woman eh...lol...some people never learn...lolso now you want me to teach you how to use the computer to...lol..
okay little one....
go to http://marvel.com/universe/index.htm
under "families" select X-men...
then select "juggernaut"
then select "powers..."
if you still can't get the site...than call your ISP's tech support...damb I feel like I'm dealing with 2 year old....
no pain = no knockout..lol..riiiiiiight...🙄
LOL...dude..your killing me with your keen rationale..😆
..lol...my woman this is getting pretty sad...you still don't get it do you...lol...you just keep on repeating the same damb non-sensical things that have already been proven wrong....only thing you can do now is trash talk..lol...and it still looks pretty bad..cause you've been consistantly proven wrong by someone who is "below average" intelligence...lol..what does that say about your mental capacity...lol..
ok.... i keep repeating myself??? read above and tell me where 1 thing is in this whole entire thing that you wrote, where something is that hasnt been said already??? you are trash talking, i'm trash talking... big deal.... but i'm still right.
Originally posted by whobdamandog
LOL..still on the hulk subject..yeah who cares what hulk can/cannot do to juggy....lol..the whole damb point has always been that juggy can be knocked out based on the fact that he has a normal human equilibrium..(ie being dazed from a punch..)..which you yourself have admitted to..if you haven't figured that out by now...than damb dude you are reeaaallly slow...
u are the one that brought up the whole hulk thing. not me. i'm just defending juggernaut being put in that situation 😉
Originally posted by whobdamandog
It was a mystical attack....lol....as we pointed out earlier..the swords have mystical properties to them...Didn't say the Hulk stopped him..but He did leave him dazed/reeling..you have already admitted this earlier on..let me refresh your memory..
i didnt admit that hulk could do it 😉 i simply said that juggernaut could be dazed or jarred.... or being flung about. he isnt damaged from it though 😉 you are a simple one tracked mind person.
Originally posted by whobdamandog
...just give it up buddy..at this point your argument has already been proven wrong....
how so??? because you said so?? because you tried comparing juggernauts durability to real world objects?? it was you that was wrong...
Originally posted by whobdamandog
LOL..your the one changing your tactics..first you stated he could be dazed..now your saying he can't and that...No hurt = No knockout(which makes absolutely no damb sense)
he isnt hurt by it, he isnt damaged by it... he is simply knocked off balance. but even then, hulk has never done it... matter of fact... who HAS done it ??? you are trying to make us prove he is invulnerable when its you that should be trying to prove hes NOT invulnerable. where is your proof?? this is where you come in saying hulk does it with 2 punchs. then i reply to it and you try to drop the hulk subject. you are trying to talk about too many things at once.
Originally posted by whobdamandog
lol..you seem to think that fact that people agree with you proves you right...(which just shows how dupid you are...)
i am right though 😉 they know it, and i know it, you are the only one who doesnt.
Originally posted by whobdamandog
...its a good thing we have people who don't agree with everyone else around or else there we would still be thinking the world was flat..lol.....living in a segregated society...and bowing to the Queen of England...lol
see... trying to apply this to comics??? its moot. the peoples way of thinking back then was just different. and if somebody told you that the earth was flat when you were a kid, how would you have disproven it??
Originally posted by whobdamandog
but hey you know what they say...Age doesn't always bring wisdom. Sometimes age comes alone...lol..anyways...
moot...
Originally posted by whobdamandog
Obviously your retarded...lol..and are to damb stubborn/ignorant to admit to being wrong...
well when somebody comes up with something legitimate... i'll admit to defeat. but you are more or less just argueing about my intelligence, as i am of yours. we are accomplishing nothing. honestly, look through your entire post, and where is the comic knowledge??? all through this thread you have only brought up 1 thing from comics... and thats the hulk fight in 404. when i talk about it you say its irrelavant and try to say i was wrong in bringing it up 😉 which i didnt even bring it up.
Originally posted by whobdamandog
but hey you have the right to your opinion...regardless of however wrong it might be...lol...💃
how is it wrong... prove juggernaut isnt invulnerable 😉
but he was hurt by nightcrawler in uncanny x-men #112 with a burning stick...stop cluting this fanboy fairy tale that Juggernaut is invulnerable/unstoppable... Jug. fanboys will refer to instances where Jug appeared omnipotent but omit the times he was hurt by Nightcrawler, Hulk, Nimrod, Sasquatch, Shatterstar, Onslaught, etc. this is pure bias ...stop ignoring 50% of Jug's appearances fanboys. All of the characters mentioned could trash Jug with pure force with the exception of Absorbing Man unless he Absorbed Jug's own powers.
Originally posted by Wynndar
but he was hurt by nightcrawler in uncanny x-men #112 with a burning stick...stop cluting this fanboy fairy tale that Juggernaut is invulnerable/unstoppable... Jug. fanboys will refer to instances where Jug appeared omnipotent but omit the times he was hurt by Nightcrawler, Hulk, Nimrod, Sasquatch, Shatterstar, Onslaught, etc. this is pure bias ...stop ignoring 50% of Jug's appearances fanboys. All of the characters mentioned could trash Jug with pure force with the exception of Absorbing Man unless he Absorbed Jug's own powers.
nightcrawler can trash juggs with pure force 😆 😆 😆
Oh my god you must be a jugg basher 😆
well ill bite ok, juggernaut still has human vuneribilities such as sound and light, so imagine a big flamming stick right in your eyes, although the flame its self didnt hurt the light right in his eyes did hurt. Nimrod attacked his nevious system you everyone quit bringing that up it wasnt physical. Who the hell is sasquatch, anyway, shatterstar sword is magical meaning it jabbed his eye out, then healed in 2 or 5 seconds. Onslaught is all screwed up im not even going to touch on that if you even read comics you know what im talking about.
if you are trying to say that the stick of fire did burn him, explain when spiderman drove a truck into him, or when his armor was heated to the point where it was white hot.
Originally posted by whobdamandog
Jeepers H Creepers!! I've given plenty of reasonable explanations...lol..read the whole Gosh Darn thread...Hot dammit..does anyone in here even read the posts...lol....Oh well everyone has there opinions..but still..if you think it makes logical since for someone to be able to get dizzied..but not get KO'd...then all of you better you evaluate your logic..lol...anyways..time to eat...chat wit ya'll laterz... 💃
I read all of it, and you brought up a decent point or two, but nothing that really moved me or anything. Him being physically knocked out could be debateable, and is open to opinion, but to say that it could absolutely happen is completely false, especially if you can't give any actual proof that it would happen.
Originally posted by Wynndar
but he was hurt by nightcrawler in uncanny x-men #112 with a burning stick...
hit him in the eyes... havnt read it in a while, let me see if i can get a scan up lol, so we can talk bout it.
Originally posted by Wynndar
stop cluting this fanboy fairy tale that Juggernaut is invulnerable/unstoppable...
stop saying hulk has unlimted strength when its clear he cant overpower juggernaut 😉 have to give a little ground also pal...
Originally posted by Wynndar
Jug. fanboys will refer to instances where Jug appeared omnipotent but omit the times he was hurt by Nightcrawler,
bullpucky
Originally posted by Wynndar
Hulk,
hulk has never hurt juggernaut 😉 see this is what we are argueing against.
Originally posted by Wynndar
Nimrod,
nimrod didnt hurt juggernaut, nimrod jammed his neural impulses, but it didnt cause him any damage/pain.
Originally posted by Wynndar
Sasquatch,
only the recent "imposternaut" "jobbernaut" not true juggernaut.
Originally posted by Wynndar
Shatterstar,
mystical attack 😉
Originally posted by Wynndar
Onslaught, etc.
psionics 😉 are we recognizing a pattern here ???? lol, i am beginning to think that you dont recognize the meaning of "physical" lol
Originally posted by Wynndar
this is pure bias ...stop ignoring 50% of Jug's appearances fanboys.
if you are refering to recent juggernaut.... thats just it, hes not juggernaut. he is a barely upgraded cain marko.
Originally posted by Wynndar
All of the characters mentioned could trash Jug with pure force with the exception of Absorbing Man unless he Absorbed Jug's own powers.
i do hope you are talking about the original ones of the post, not the ones in this post 😉 and they might be able to throw juggernaut around, but not hurt him 😉
killall i do read comics, however im more keen to learn about the actual characters im reading about. hence i have a greater understanding of juggies charcter hulks, spidies, than u ever will. like i said juggie is very durable, but cyttorak is not the most poweful source in the mu so ( that makes it not infinite) something conjuring up more power is gonna render all his unstoppable, un hurtable useless. now he is a bit part characetr so were gonna have to wait a while for this to happen but it will. now hulk ( whos infinite power comes from an unknown dimension) to me is ideally placed to kick juggies arse PHYSICALLY. as of yet no fightsof theirs has finished conclusivly. comics are gonna do that u hav to live with it. like i said in my post that u clearly didnt read hulk has been beaten on strength yet is widely regarded as the strongest, the un liftable, moveable etc has been overcome, so im afraid will juggie and the sort of guys were talking about here can do it, as could huk so live with it.
Originally posted by Tough Guy
killall i do read comics, however im more keen to learn about the actual characters im reading about. hence i have a greater understanding of juggies charcter hulks, spidies, than u ever will.
the characters are the comics. the bios and cards are based off of that 😉 i read bios, i just think comics are accurate... most of the time. but how many juggernaut comics have you read?? lol, like i said in a different thread, anybody who can make a webpage/bio can write anything they want in it. weather it be right or wrong, and you would believe it 😉
Originally posted by Tough Guy
like i said juggie is very durable, but cyttorak is not the most poweful source in the mu so ( that makes it not infinite)
here is where you are making a mistake. 1) how do you know how powerful cyttorak is??? lol you dont and 2) define infinite?? do you know that magneto has been said to control infinite power?? juggernaut also. juggernaut has been said to have a fraction of cyttoraks power. while he isnt unbeatable either, cyttorak controls unlimited amounts of energy. just like odin, just like galactus etc, except his may or may not be more powerful.
Originally posted by Tough Guy
something conjuring up more power is gonna render all his unstoppable, un hurtable useless.
by conjuring i assume you mean magically. in which case you could be right. you can cancel juggernauts magics, with magics, but you cant hurt him physically 😉 it takes magics, to do so. or psionics, because the spells do not protect him in ANY way from psionics. except they provide him a helmet.
Originally posted by Tough Guy
now he is a bit part characetr so were gonna have to wait a while for this to happen but it will.
he was created in the 1960s 😉 lol, hes been around plenty. its not going to happen.
Originally posted by Tough Guy
now hulk ( whos infinite power comes from an unknown dimension) to me is ideally placed to kick juggies arse PHYSICALLY.
no hes not. hes "ideally placed" in front of juggernauts fist and gets knocked out. that is your opinion, and you have no facts (except cards and bios) to base it off of, to which i've given you ample comic knowledge to support my facts. i guess thats the difference. you are using cards, and i the REAL characters.
Originally posted by Tough Guy
as of yet no fightsof theirs has finished conclusivly.
sure they have. war hulk had a decided edge over juggernaut, for obvious reasons (major power up). and juggernaut pummeled hulk nearly to death. despite popular belief, hulk was fighting back. but he was trying to figure out who juggernaut was (he recognized him).
Originally posted by Tough Guy
comics are gonna do that u hav to live with it.
i am living with it 😉 you are the one that is refuting evidence from comics, you live with it.
Originally posted by Tough Guy
like i said in my post that u clearly didnt read hulk has been beaten on strength yet is widely regarded as the strongest,
maybe the strongest on earth, to which marvel everywhere has said juggernaut rivals him as the strongest being -on earth-. they directly compare them by name 😉
Originally posted by Tough Guy
the un liftable, moveable etc has been overcome, so im afraid will juggie and the sort of guys were talking about here can do it, as could huk so live with it.
just like hulks infinte strength rule has been over ridden huh??? lol, i bet that burns you up that hulk had been raging for nearly 2 days, fought an army batallion, and witnessed juggernaut trying to kill an innocent family. all pissed him off, and he still couldnt overpower juggernaut. i bet it burns you up that hulk had pounded on the walls of his cell for nearly 2 days (while he was raging) and couldnt cause any visible damage to the cell, yet when juggernaut was teleported into the cell, he nearly buckled the walls instantly. oh did i mention this is savage hulk too.... lol 😄
yes now u r listening, hulks unlimites strength has been overlooked countless times, he has been equalle don strength time and again despite his characters obvious unlimited power, it is U who has to live with the fact that juggie to is susceptable to this. (this is y i find comics so inconsistant to the characters developed)
*hmm hows juggie at moving out of cement??????
*er im not saying read 1 bio, read them all , learn the regularities, go buy marvels character handbooks etc.
*yes prof hulk has ben knocked out by juggie, big deal. ive only said this 1000000 times.
* infinite is everything no end no begining. hulk has unlimited potential, juggie does not,as for the lads were talking about here, juggie is stillonna get battered.
* as for juggie being hurt physically its happened b4 but i agree with u he needs a conclusive physical ass whipping, and yes he i totally able to have this from a physical force that can overpower cyttoraks spell. sounds like just the job for hulk. but any guys except absorb man would also be in a perfect position to do this. thats comics, someone somewhere will be at just the right amount of power to render your unstoppableness or unhurtableness or unliftable, moveableness uselessat some point. the thing with hulk is is his character waas adhered to hed never lose a fight as his strength and healing would always overpower his opponent. however comics stories are not gonna let that happenin the interest of good story telling . hulk has enough power porential to physically override cyttoraks magic
Originally posted by Tough Guy
yes now u r listening, hulks unlimites strength has been overlooked countless times,
re read... i didnt say overlooked, i said overruled. as in, its not true. other characters are stronger
Originally posted by Tough Guy
he has been equalle don strength time and again despite his characters obvious unlimited power, it is U who has to live with the fact that juggie to is susceptable to this.
juggy isnt susceptable to any physical force. what makes hulk so special... lol
Originally posted by Tough Guy
(this is y i find comics so inconsistant to the characters developed)
it isnt an inconsistancy for something incapable of recieving damage/pain to be immune to hulks punchs (besides the cosmetics of it) when are you going to learn that??
Originally posted by Tough Guy
*hmm hows juggie at moving out of cement??????
hows hulk at fighting pythons (that knock him out)... and when you have no leverage, you cant get out, just like hulk couldnt bust out either.
Originally posted by Tough Guy
*er im not saying read 1 bio, read them all , learn the regularities, go buy marvels character handbooks etc.
like i said, i've read them, and you said you read "one" bio that stated juggernaut was at 115 tons. which is false anyway, because marvel doesnt officially state anything over 100 tons. lol, therefore you are wrong. make sure you read this little bit.
Originally posted by Tough Guy
*yes prof hulk has ben knocked out by juggie, big deal. ive only said this 1000000 times.
and its the only progress you have made... lol. glad we could teach you something.
Originally posted by Tough Guy
* infinite is everything no end no begining. hulk has unlimited potential, juggie does not,as for the lads were talking about here, juggie is stillonna get battered.
stillonna huh?? lol, i know what you mean though, dont bother explaining yourself. are you saying hulks strength is so great he could challenge Living Tribunal (whos power is also unlimited) to a physical match and win?? lol, please tell me you are joking.
Originally posted by Tough Guy
* as for juggie being hurt physically its happened b4 but i agree with u he needs a conclusive physical ass whipping, and yes he i totally able to have this from a physical force that can overpower cyttoraks spell.
how so?? lol, wheres your proof besides your opinion?? lol, magics work different than science. the spells say hes indestructable to physical force, therefor hes indestructable to physical force. damage/pain he is immune from regardless of the power of the attack.
Originally posted by Tough Guy
but any guys except absorb man would also be in a perfect position to do this. thats comics, someone somewhere will be at just the right amount of power to render your unstoppableness or unhurtableness or unliftable, moveableness uselessat some point.
that point being the end of reality, considering thats what juggies magics are based on. to which hulk would never be that powerful 😉
Originally posted by Tough Guy
the thing with hulk is is his character waas adhered to hed never lose a fight as his strength and healing would always overpower his opponent.
funny how the destroyer, thor, and juggernaut are all still waiting for hulk to overpower them 😉
Originally posted by Tough Guy
however comics stories are not gonna let that happenin the interest of good story telling . hulk has enough power porential to physically override cyttoraks magic
no he doesnt... wheres your proof.
I didn't respond to the above posts because it seemed as if you were just rambling.......and there were no real arguments..just "you said this...and you said that.." kind of statements..anyways.....
...he isnt hurt by it, he isnt damaged by it... he is simply knocked off balance. but even then, hulk has never done it... matter of fact... who HAS done it ??? you are trying to make us prove he is invulnerable when its you that should be trying to prove hes NOT invulnerable. where is your proof?? this is where you come in saying hulk does it with 2 punchs. then i reply to it and you try to drop the hulk subject. you are trying to talk about too many things at once.
Dude...if his equalibrium can be thrown out of whack..that would imply that he has received damage to some degree..I don't understand why you can't comprehend this...
i am right though 😉 they know it, and i know it, you are the only one who doesnt.
believe what you want to believe..lol..but justifying your argument by the fact the others agree with you is very silly.....
see... trying to apply this to comics??? its moot. the peoples way of thinking back then was just different. and if somebody told you that the earth was flat when you were a kid, how would you have disproven it??
When I was a little kid I would have probably asked my parents(they knew everything back then)...lol
however..since I'm not a young wippersnapper anymore..I usually try to use a combination of information based on logic, facts, and reason..as I have done so in this debate...
well when somebody comes up with something legitimate... i'll admit to defeat. but you are more or less just argueing about my intelligence, as i am of yours. we are accomplishing nothing. honestly, look through your entire post, and where is the comic knowledge??? all through this thread you have only brought up 1 thing from comics... and thats the hulk fight in 404. when i talk about it you say its irrelavant and try to say i was wrong in bringing it up 😉 which i didnt even bring it up.
I'm sure your an intelligent guy...and your definately a good debater...however most of your arguments are based on innaccurate scientific info....(ie juggernaut being dazed..equilibrium..etc)
I believe my comic book knowledge to be accurate..and related my argument to issues other than 404(nimrod encounter..which was actually sonics..not psinoics....hulk 176...)
Any way..lol..you kind of arguing a moot point...it doesn't really matter how many comic books I reference in order to prove my point...
The topic was/and always has been whether Juggy can be killed or KO'd..and from a logical standpoint he could..based on the fact that he has a "human" equilibrium...
how is it wrong... prove juggernaut isnt invulnerable 😉
Well this is what the official site states...
www.marvel.com/universe/index.htm
"The Juggernaut possesses untold power, mystical in nature, which enhances his strength and grants him an extraordinary degree of resistance to all forms of injury."
in my book...
"extrodinary resistance" is not = to invulnerable..
but again you have your opinion..as I have mine..peace out my man... 💃
Originally posted by whobdamandog
The topic was/and always has been whether Juggy can be killed or KO'd..and from a logical standpoint he could..based on the fact that he has a "human" equilibrium...
Yes, I like the emphasis of Juggernaut's humanity aspect. I've mentioned it before and many times, but apparently people believe Cain has an iron will, an unlimited threshhold for pain (including physical). Even if he can take the beating, his mind should not be able to handle the fact. You cannot believe to argue that Juggernaut, for example, will psychologically be fit after he experiences a million sodomies.