Wiccanism as a religion [Merged]

Originally posted by Pandemoniac
That very code has been the cause of many deaths, as people acted blindly on their faith instead of reconcidering it's rightfullness.
Faith is only appropriate if the cause deserves it and if one focuses on wisdom before devotion.

this is very true, however i think it more applies to the people running a religion rather than the religion itself (in most cases). Like when the pope declared the crusades, that was not part of the religion because the ten commandments clearly state that you may not kill..... this was the idiocy of a man rather than the religion

But this happens ALL THE TIME.....

Religion is the "excuse" that so many corrupt officials use to attack their enemies or try to control other people or try to limit and violate the rights of others.

Originally posted by aStranger
this was the idiocy of a man rather than the religion

Are they not inexorably intertwined? Man founds religion, makes religion, practices it, keeps it, an changes it.

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Originally posted by padmeXskywalker
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There is an OTF forum 😕

Its not evil but they claim to have a tradition when alot of stuff was just made up recently. This probably doesnt make much sense right now.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Its not evil but they claim to have a tradition when alot of stuff was just made up recently. This probably doesnt make much sense right now.

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what is your point?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
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what is your point?

Ok they call themselves witches but they dont know anything about witchcraft alot of the stuff they talk about in their magick books as far as I know is made up.

They make generalisations about gods and godesses, for example they say Freyja is the godess of love when she is the godess of war and death. They say Skadi is some cold hearted godess with little empathy.

They can call themselves pagans but when it comes to the gods of northern europe they dont seem to know anything and that probably applies to other pagan traditions.

I try not to call myself a pagan because to an extent wiccans show a lack of understanding and reasearch. Some traditions call themselves heathens because they try to distance themselves from them.

religions are all made up by someone so reanalysis of the personality of centain members of pantheons doesn't discredit them

pagans are (I may be mistaken here) any outsider to a group, which many wiccans are

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
religions are all made up by someone so reanalysis of the personality of centain members of pantheons doesn't discredit them

pagans are (I may be mistaken here) any outsider to a group, which many wiccans are

Well regardless of wether its is "made up" or not, if you say for example you follow the Norse gods you need to do research into Heathen lore, history and culture. Its wrong to claim to be something when you dont know anything about the subject.

Originally posted by debbiejo
Wicca is a recently created, Neopagan religion. Many Wiccans see their religion as a modern reconstruction of ancient Northern European Pagan beliefs such as the Celts and Druids. Depending on ones beliefs wicca can be viewed as monotheistic recognizing a single supreme being, "The One", duotheistic where they may recognize a female god and goddess the Lady and the Lord, polytheistic in which they recognize the existence of many gods and goddesses, or atheist where they do not recognize living entities but symbols rather than a god or goddess. Wicca is not affiliated with Satanic beliefs. Wiccans do not recognize the existence of an all evil anti God. Wicca can be called an earth based religion in that they practice rituals to attune themselves with nature and the phases of the moon as it passes between the sun and earth. Wiccans seek to live in harmony with nature.
Many Wiccans adhere to the Three Fold Law which is also known as the Law of Cause and Effect which states in life what we reap we sow what is done shall be returned back three fold.

The Wiccan Pentacle is thought to be one of the most important symbols of the religion. It is an ancient symbol bearing much importance to both the East and the West. The pentacle is a five pointed star which clearly defines our place in the universe and life. When the image is drawn or written it is called a pentagram. Many witches and wiccans will wear this on their jewelry or clothing the way many Christians will wear a cross. Traditionally each of the five metaphysical elements of the ancients: Earth, Fire, Water, Air, and Spirit. The Circle often drawn around it represents Divine Wisdom given to the wearer. It is recognized throughout the world. In the Jewish tradition for instance, it symbolizes the five books of Moses.

Debbie the only thing with that is that they claim to be a modern reconstruction of Celtic and other europeans pagan traditions. Thats what they say but when you do some research they dont seem to know what they are talking about, it seems actually they got alot of stuff from Aleister Crowley not paganism.

Well it seems that there are many different branches and beliefs that have splintered.

Originally posted by debbiejo
Well it seems that there are many different branches and beliefs that have splintered.

Not really the wiccans basically dont do any research period. Books written by DJ Conway have nothing but fabrication, but to an extent that doesnt matter. 🙄

Well I don't know any personally. I've posted this before, this is what I got out of some of their history..

Wiccan is pagan and is an earth or nature religion, one that sees the divine manifest in all creation. The cycles of nature are their holy days, the earth is their temple, its plants and creatures their partners and teachers. They worship a deity that is both male and female, a mother Goddess and father God, who together created all that is, was, or will be. The attributes of what is even mentioned in scripture with "El" (with an accompanying verb change makes it male or female, otherwise it's neutral)) in respect life, cherish the free will of sentient beings, and accept the sacredness of all creation. Celtic society had gradually spread across Northern Europe into what is now England, France, Germany, Ireland, Netherlands, Scotland etc. They never formed a single political entity, but remained as many tribes who shared a common culture Much of it came from the ancient Celts and Druids and with the persecutions by the Roman, Norman, Saxon invasion along with Christian germicides they had gone underground. Many would confuse them with the worship of many dieties, though I've read its just the Mother Goddess Earth and the Father of light or Sun.

Originally posted by debbiejo
Well I don't know any personally. I've posted this before, this is what I got out of some of their history..

Wiccan is pagan and is an earth or nature religion, one that sees the divine manifest in all creation. The cycles of nature are their holy days, the earth is their temple, its plants and creatures their partners and teachers. They worship a deity that is both male and female, a mother Goddess and father God, who together created all that is, was, or will be. The attributes of what is even mentioned in scripture with "El" (with an accompanying verb change makes it male or female, otherwise it's neutral)) in respect life, cherish the free will of sentient beings, and accept the sacredness of all creation. Celtic society had gradually spread across Northern Europe into what is now England, France, Germany, Ireland, Netherlands, Scotland etc. They never formed a single political entity, but remained as many tribes who shared a common culture Much of it came from the ancient Celts and Druids and with the persecutions by the Roman, Norman, Saxon invasion along with Christian germicides they had gone underground. Many would confuse them with the worship of many dieties, though I've read its just the Mother Goddess Earth and the Father of light or Sun.

Well yeah they do mix alot of stuff togther, basically im not impressed at least there not violent.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Its not evil but they claim to have a tradition when alot of stuff was just made up recently. This probably doesnt make much sense right now.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Ok they call themselves witches but they dont know anything about witchcraft alot of the stuff they talk about in their magick books as far as I know is made up.

They make generalisations about gods and godesses, for example they say Freyja is the godess of love when she is the godess of war and death. They say Skadi is some cold hearted godess with little empathy.

They can call themselves pagans but when it comes to the gods of northern europe they dont seem to know anything and that probably applies to other pagan traditions.

I try not to call myself a pagan because to an extent wiccans show a lack of understanding and reasearch. Some traditions call themselves heathens because they try to distance themselves from them.

Originally posted by Storm
Wicca was originally founded by Gerald Gardner most likely in the 1940s, first openly revealed in 1954.
Many believe he invented it himself, and feel that his writings were more his own creations than true (and ancient) practices that had been handed down through generations.
Even though there may be ideas, concepts, practices, or beliefs in the Wicca we know today that are based in older knowledge, the collected whole as presented by Gardner only came into existence in the 1950s and is a young, new religion.

Yes I know but if you look for example at the wiccan rede this is very similar to Aliester Crowley's Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.

Anyway its a complete mess. Theres nothing wrong with mixing traditions and making stuff up thats what people into chaos magick do, but at least they know they are doing it. Sometimes wiccans can offend people with their lack of knowledge

Originally posted by Storm

Freya also is the goddess of love, fertility, sexuality, magick, wealth, the moon and luck.

Yeah I know ive never seen her associated with the moon though. I know Mani is supposed to represent the moon.

I've gotta ask . . .

Why does all this even matter to you?

As far as I know people that call themselves wiccans are very peace loving people, respectful of all things.