Daredevil vs. Wolverine

Comic Book or Comic Encyclopedia...it doesn't matter...you want to debate...it's all up to the writer to make someone superstrong or even beat someone superstrong that's not even in his level..i'm just looking at the facts bro..who's stronger and who's a better fighter...and where else can i find that better than from the official marvel encyclopedia..that says it all. i don't need to be reading hundreds of comics so i just can say that wolverine is stronger...he is and he will kill daredevil straight up!

Originally posted by The MISTER
Actually I haven't seen many characters ever get tired in a fight...

But I'm aware of the fact that Wolverine never does get fatigued and can maintain 100% efficiency, literally capable of sprinting indefinitely.

If it wasn't for the healing factor I'd say that DD would knock him unconcious with well placed blows at critical moments like in between heartbeats but that doesn't seem likely considering the fact that he isn't knocked out by blows recieved from powerhouses.

DD might not be effected by fatigue quickly but he can't fight with the equivalant of an indefinite sprint. Wolverine is an extremely skilled h2h fighter so it's not like he'd be easy to beat with no claws and no healing factor if his opponent was on the same level as far as strength goes.

There was a time when I would have said that DD would have a good chance......but I've learned more about Wolverine than I did before. Its the healing factor, claws, AND skills that make this a mismatch to me.

Pressure points and blows have nothing to do with strength. Thats what makes DD such a great fighter. Ofcourse he isnt the strongest, but hes a highly intelligent fighter. The man has disabled limbs and paralized bodies from simple blows.

Its all about accuracy, and going against DD, Wolvie's accuracy will be nulled vs. Daredevil's senses.

Originally posted by shaolin9976
Comic Book or Comic Encyclopedia...it doesn't matter...you want to debate...it's all up to the writer to make someone superstrong or even beat someone superstrong that's not even in his level..i'm just looking at the facts bro..who's stronger and who's a better fighter...and where else can i find that better than from the official marvel encyclopedia..that says it all. i don't need to be reading hundreds of comics so i just can say that wolverine is stronger...he is and he will kill daredevil straight up!

You go by Marvel Encyclopedia power and skill levels, but in actual comics hasnt Electra already beat Wolverine? In enemy of the state, so did DD. And they both are shown to be weaker and have less fighting abilities than Wolverine in the Marvel encyclopedia. Yet you go by the power grids?

but like i said...spider-man can everyone in the marvel universe if the writer wants too...so you can't really know who wins right?

Originally posted by shaolin9976
Comic Book or Comic Encyclopedia...it doesn't matter...you want to debate...it's all up to the writer to make someone superstrong or even beat someone superstrong that's not even in his level..i'm just looking at the facts bro..who's stronger and who's a better fighter...and where else can i find that better than from the official marvel encyclopedia..that says it all. i don't need to be reading hundreds of comics so i just can say that wolverine is stronger...he is and he will kill daredevil straight up!

Okay. Why don't we go to the OFFICIAL marvel WEBSITE too? SAME as that encyclopedia, RIGHT? It has Shang Chi, noted to be the BEST martial artist in Marvel Comics with...a whopping FIVE fighting skill.

Sabertooth has a 5 in fighting skill. So does Daredevil. Daredevil destroyed Sabertooth.

Black Panther's ancestor beat the hell out of Captain America, but Captain America has a 7 fighting skill, but Panther has a 5 in fighting skill.

Iron Fist is not better than Shang Chi, but he has a 6 in fighting skill but Shang Chi has a 5. Shang Chi has a 5 but BLACK WIDOW has a 6???

Spiderman, who destroys people, has a FOUR in fighting skill??? So he's only slightly better than The Human Torch, who has a THREE?

Shang Chi has a 5 (the master of kung fu) and BULLSEYE, who can't beat Daredevil straight up, has a 5 too?

Kitty Pryde has a FIVE fighting skill, the same as Shang CHI? Better fighting skill than SPIDERMAN? LMAO

Okay, keep following that encyclopedia.

Originally posted by shaolin9976
but like i said...spider-man can everyone in the marvel universe if the writer wants too...so you can't really know who wins right?

Writers wouldnt go that extreme to do something like that.

Plus DD beat him in a comic. So i have the right to say DD could beat Spidey also. 🙂

Originally posted by jrodslam
Pressure points and blows have nothing to do with strength. Thats what makes DD such a great fighter. Ofcourse he isnt the strongest, but hes a highly intelligent fighter. The man has disabled limbs and paralized bodies from simple blows.

Its all about accuracy, and going against DD, Wolvie's accuracy will be nulled vs. Daredevil's senses.

Good points. The question that remains is... Can Wolverine's healing factor prevent him from being susceptible to being paralyzed by nerve blows? And don't forget that Wolverine is also capable of striking pressure points and using precision attacks...If not he shouldn't be maxed out in fighting skill.

The thing is he's known for slashing and slicing but he should be able to counter even a great fighters moves if he is extremely proficient at hand to hand, without using his claws. And he has his claws. He also has quite a good reach with them.

I do see what you're getting at though....perhaps he can implement the billy club or the blade in it to pull something insane off. I just don't see it yet. 😮‍💨

Originally posted by The MISTER
Good points. The question that remains is... Can Wolverine's healing factor prevent him from being susceptible to being paralyzed by nerve blows? And don't forget that Wolverine is also capable of striking pressure points and using precision attacks...If not he shouldn't be maxed out in fighting skill.

I dont think hes immune to nerve blows or paralysis. Someone has posted tha hes taken nerve blows when being hit with a wooden swoed or something. Yet ive seem him get hit wth paralizing darts. Go figure. I dont doubt that Wolverine could do it, but is it a tactic he uses in fights? Hes always more focused on gutting someone than actual skill.

Originally posted by The MISTER
The thing is he's known for slashing and slicing but he should be able to counter even a great fighters moves if he is extremely proficient at hand to hand, without using his claws. And he has his claws. He also has quite a good reach with them.

Hed surely be able to counter someone in h2h. The thing with DD's type of fighting is that its a algamation(sp?) of different styles. Thats why him along with Spiderman have uniques fighting styles. Although he has mastered more than 1 type of fighting style unlike Spidey.

He counters but he gets caught. I'm willing to bet he cannot sit and attack/parry like Captain America and Batman did in JLA vs. Avengers. Just look at the majority of his past fights.

Pressure points and nerve strikes logically work because they are not injuring him, thus nothing to heal from.

He heals instantly from cuts, but he has taken a good amount of time to heal stuff like Elektra's sai through his lungs, Marrow's bone through his throat, a brood queen hitting him with a catastrophic amount of poison, Magneto leeching the adamantium from his body.

His healing factor HAS LIMITS (again, unless they have retconned him).

"Amalgam."

Damn those are all some good points! But Wolverine can hang with Cap or Batman in H2H though I would in no way say that he's AS good as them. I would think that he's good enough to know how to protect his few vulnerable spots considering that there aren't very many on him. I would imagine that he's also good enough to land a blow on DD for unlike Spider-man (who he was compared to earlier) he doesn't have any superhuman physical abilities to help him compensate for Wolverines speed. The guy is faster than DD so he should be able to parry his attacks considering that's part of h2h combat.

Very good points though.

Originally posted by Never
Okay. Why don't we go to the OFFICIAL marvel WEBSITE too? SAME as that encyclopedia, RIGHT? It has Shang Chi, noted to be the BEST martial artist in Marvel Comics with...a whopping FIVE fighting skill.

Sabertooth has a 5 in fighting skill. So does Daredevil. Daredevil destroyed Sabertooth.

Black Panther's ancestor beat the hell out of Captain America, but Captain America has a 7 fighting skill, but Panther has a 5 in fighting skill.

Iron Fist is not better than Shang Chi, but he has a 6 in fighting skill but Shang Chi has a 5. Shang Chi has a 5 but BLACK WIDOW has a 6???

Spiderman, who destroys people, has a FOUR in fighting skill??? So he's only slightly better than The Human Torch, who has a THREE?

Shang Chi has a 5 (the master of kung fu) and BULLSEYE, who can't beat Daredevil straight up, has a 5 too?

Kitty Pryde has a FIVE fighting skill, the same as Shang CHI? Better fighting skill than SPIDERMAN? LMAO

Okay, keep following that encyclopedia.

This from a man who doesn't think the Cambridge Advanced Dictionary is a reputable secondary source😄

Keep the faith😄

Stay Whirly 🤘

Well IF Wolvverine is faster than DD its not by much. You can forget about DD's senses. Thats why hes able to dodge so well. Its because he aware of the slightest movement or shift in wind pattern.

Hes also taken a hit from an enraged Spierman and kept on tickin. He was also able to dodge a few punches as well. And we all know Spiderman is faster and stronger than Wolverine. so im sure if Wolverine manages to punch him, it wouldnt do DD much harm. Thats unless a claw is behind that punch lol.

When he fought Absorbing man in diamond form, he actually took a few slashes from him and managed to continue the fight. And beat Abs man in the process.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Well IF Wolvverine is faster than DD its not by much. You can forget about DD's senses. Thats why hes able to dodge so well. Its because he aware of the slightest movement or shift in wind pattern.

Hes also taken a hit from an enraged Spierman and kept on tickin. He was also able to dodge a few punches as well. And we all know Spiderman is faster and stronger than Wolverine. so im sure if Wolverine manages to punch him, it wouldnt do DD much harm. Thats unless a claw is behind that punch lol.

When he fought Absorbing man in diamond form, he actually took a few slashes from him and managed to continue the fight. And beat Abs man in the process.

See all the comic heroes can and will survive EVERY punch (not including the "death?" of Superman) but there are many who could not recover from getting stabbed in the face. Wolverine can stab many in the face especially if they cannot put him down for the count without engaging in h2h combat. He gutted Shatterstar from the X-force and this guy was good. Lucky he had a healing factor. 😉

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Originally posted by jrodslam
Daredevil senses are better than Spideys.

No they're not, not in a fight.

No they're not, not in a fight.

Daredevil's senses are better, period. Spider-Man cannot hear, smell, taste, or feel better than Matt and he never will. Now, Spidey has a danger sense, but that's not the same thing as general 'senses'.

Originally posted by Never
A fighting genius who was consistently stalemated by Sabertooth (now DO remember that someone said the "old" Sabertooth in Uncanny #212 did NOT have "his stats" -- that makes it that much worse, right?), Archangel, got touched up badly by Silver Samurai, smacked around by Spidey, caught offguard by Marrow, sliced up by Deathstrike? That's why I say BULL.

Again, Wolverine was historically written as a fighter with GOOD martial arts skills who survived tons of punishment because of his healing factor.

If he's a fighting genius what does that make Elektra?

Now after his origin was retold (well...revealed, actually), all of a sudden he's defeating Shang Chi and sneaking up on Gamora, right? Heh.

And I'll ask you YOUR opinion. If YOU are a guest writer with general knowledge of a character, do you use the general portrayals of a character or the extreme portrayals (high or low)? For example, I don't think Rucka wrote Wolverine/Uncanny before, so when he wrote Elektra vs Wolverine, she stomped him (i.e. Wolverine as regularly written (historically) would get stomped by Elektra).

I think that DD is a "smarter" fighter also; he has WAY less margin for error. He CAN'T afford to get sliced through the neck so he's WAY less reckless. Wolverine can survive that, so will oftentime just wade into a battle to get at someone.

And thats why I say efficient fighter, and not proificient fighter, wolverine doesn't apply like batman, but he takes so much punishment.

Batman could not beat spiderman in h2h, but he is the "better fighter".
To be more accurate, he is the more skilled or proificent fighter.

Now add the fact that wolverine doesn't act like DS in a fight, really makes him just a good fighter, because he doesn't apply THAT much, as people make it seem.

Originally posted by Wanderer259
Daredevil's senses are better, period. Spider-Man cannot hear, smell, taste, or feel better than Matt and he never will. Now, Spidey has a danger sense, but that's not the same thing as general 'senses'.

Thats what I'm implying here. Peters senses in that nature are just beyond human if that.

Originally posted by Never
Okay. Why don't we go to the OFFICIAL marvel WEBSITE too? SAME as that encyclopedia, RIGHT? It has Shang Chi, noted to be the BEST martial artist in Marvel Comics with...a whopping FIVE fighting skill.

Sabertooth has a 5 in fighting skill. So does Daredevil. Daredevil destroyed Sabertooth.

Black Panther's ancestor beat the hell out of Captain America, but Captain America has a 7 fighting skill, but Panther has a 5 in fighting skill.

Iron Fist is not better than Shang Chi, but he has a 6 in fighting skill but Shang Chi has a 5. Shang Chi has a 5 but BLACK WIDOW has a 6???

Spiderman, who destroys people, has a FOUR in fighting skill??? So he's only slightly better than The Human Torch, who has a THREE?

Shang Chi has a 5 (the master of kung fu) and BULLSEYE, who can't beat Daredevil straight up, has a 5 too?

Kitty Pryde has a FIVE fighting skill, the same as Shang CHI? Better fighting skill than SPIDERMAN? LMAO

Okay, keep following that encyclopedia.

lol, that stupid scale is all for wolverine

He has a four on strength like spiderman, so some wolvie boys tried to convince me he was as strong as him.

Cap isn't far away from wolverine in most terms, but is a 3 in strength, wtf?

They also have wolvies speed barley below spiderman,lol.

Don't get me started with that stupid shield thing with wolverine on a level 9 of danger with Iron Man, but spiderman, war maching, are a friggin 8, rofl.

like I said, shingin bashed away with a wooden sword on nerve points and nerve cluters and wolverine regarded him as a master fighter.....wolverine was drugged and that's why he went down, but it took a lot of punishment for shingin to do it...

wolverine woke up from a nerve pinch in 7 seconds....

if that's the best dd's relying on despite his disadvantage of reach...that's really not boasting my confidence for him very well in this fight....

Tell me under what circumstances they and who would win?