Daredevil vs. Wolverine

I read you post and ive repeatedly told you who DD wouldnt get tagged. You need to re-read my posts. Ive never said that DD is the most skilled fighter Wolvie has ever come across. He is one of the most skilled however. Ive already posted all my FACTS. You on the other hand have posted NONE. Not even one. I dont have to post Spiderman sayinghes afraid of DD because ive never said Spidey mentioned being afraid of him. Why would i need to show Apoc choose DD as a horseman? What non X-men related character in the Marvel universe has Apoc chose as a horseman? Now youre bringing up strawmans. Because Wolvie was chosen as a horseman means hes better than Matt? If you think so, then i guess Wolvie is better than all those other X-Men who werent chosen. Your so called points are irrelevant and nulled. All instnaces you bring up where people credit Wolverine has nothing to do with him vs Daredevil. One again you show NOTHING to prove Wolverine would beat Daredevil in a fight. I can constanly show those 3 panels, because it proves to you that Wolverine Is vunerable to such attacks. Over a hundred issues of Wolverine, yet you cant show anything that clearly says, this is why Wolverine beats DD. Instead all you say is "Wolverine has adamantium claws, he beat so and so, blah blah." Yet you fail to mention that he hasnt fought someone like Daredevil who uses the same fight tactics. Yet in the encounters that they DID have and Wolverine lost, you seem to disregard them and bring up others who Wolverine has beat to help support your failing arguement. If Logan can hit Spiderman, if Logan can beat this person, if Logan can beat that person, if this person says Logan is this. All that proves nothing. Spiderman doesnt have the abilities of Daredevil. Spiderman has a hard time hitting DD everytime they fight, yet he was pounding the s**t out of Logan. Daredevil doesnt have problems hitting Spidey either so i guess Wolvei still goes down.

Again your only argument is what? Where is your. proof? You only go on about what I say while you yourself bring nothing to the table except "Dare Devil can hit spiderman too so I guess Matt still wins. Ive just explained to you what Wolverine is about and still you dribble on about Matt Knowing what wolvy will do before Logan does. Where the hell is your logic? Oh wait, there is none. Okay. Lets look at Lady Deathstrike. NO? Silver Samurai. NO? Spiderman. Of course not. Venom. NO? Remember when they tangled? NO? Omega Red. NO? OGUN? NO? Shall I go on? Sabretooth. NO? Maverick? Who has a limited ability to see in the immediate future. NO? Alpha Flight. NO? Still cant "TAG MURDOCH"? Hell Fire Club. NO? The Reavers. NO? The late Cyber. NO?
iS THERE NOTHING WOLVERINE CAN DO? No. because your logic lies in "show me proof where its said Wolverine is a better fighter than Dare Devil. "Oh well......that just proves wolvy will get bitchslapped by DD without even getting a touch in." If you reply please prove DDs exploits and amazing speed and "know when wolvy moves before he does bullshit so we can all see Dare Devil do to Wolverine what no one else has ever done before. Minus your one panel holy grail!

You make it seem as if you dont comprehend what im saying. Im sure you do. Youre just going around in circles. Wheres my proof? Already posted some pages back. You just choose to disregard it. I brought up Daredevil hitting Spiderman ONLY because you mention "If Wolverine can hit Spiderman, he can hit Daredevil." That statement is irrelevant here because at full bloodlusted potential, Wolverine nor Spidey would touch DD. Dont try to flip it back on me like im the one who made the statement first. Youve explained to me what Wolverine is about? And whats that? That he has adamantium claws that can cut through almost anything? That people give him compliments? That he was selected as a horseman? Is that suppose to PROVE why he beats Daredevil? Is that the best you can do? You say wheres my logic? DAREDEVIL KNOWS WHAT WOLVERINE DOES BEFORE THE MOVE IS EVEN EXECUTED. WOLVERINE IS VUNERABLE TO NERVE ATTACKS. For some reson you dont see the logic in that. All those people you named do not fight like Daredevil for one. Secondly, hes NEVER beat Omega Red. Same for DD. Wolvie barely beat Silver Samurai while DD has fought him as well, but SS escaped. DD has already beat Sabertooth. Daredevil has already beat Spiderman as well. Hes never fought Lady D as far as i know as well as others named. Of all those fighters, who fights and has the ABILITIES of Daredevil? At full potential Daredevil doesnt get touched by Wolvie. Thats FACT. Wolverine beating ABC once again is irrelevant because Daredevil beat Wolverine. What logic are you using? Because Wolvie beat so and so, that means he can beat Daredevil? Thats not the case, and as a comic reader, you should know that. Your logic is flawed. Ive posted scans all through this thread. Go back and check them or better yet, visit the DD respect thread. Ive never said that Daredevil is faster than Wolverine for one. It was stated by one of the Wolverine suporters that Wolvie was faster. I asked for proof, yet it hasnt been shown yet. I stated that Daredevil constantly shows hes a more skilled fighter than Wolverine. It was stated by a Wolverine supporter that Wolvie was way more skilled than Daredevil. Once again, i asked for proof and was told that Wolvie has around 80 years of experience and he was with special ops blah blah. Thats not proof Wolverine is a better fighter. Its been said by a Wolverine supporter that Wolverine is much stronger than Daredevil. I sked for proof and still havent got it. I stated and PROVED DD was peak human in strength. Ive PROVED that Wolverine can be downed with certain hits as well as take slashes from people like Wolverine, ninjas, Sabertooth etc. Ive PROVED Daredevil can hear muscles and heartbeats jump BEFORE a move is executed. Ive PROVED Daredevil can disable limbs and bodies while in combat with just a touch. Ive PROVED DD's speed in combat. You have STILL PROVEN NOTHING. My one panel will be used to support the statement about certain vumerabilities in Wolvies body. You show no panels at all.

Again you miss the point. My last 2 posts have ripped wholes in your arguments. You have proof of DD taking Logan out. As ridiculous as that is. How many times are you going to use that one page?1.2.5.7.100 times? Are you going to scan the page where DD is in a nelson? HMMM.
And you still haven't explained how DD is quick enough to sense Wolverine strike and yet be quick enough to land a blow even after moving later than Logan. Where does it say Dare Devils reflexes are quicker than Logans?
Do you understand what I'm saying? And I'm using Logans enemies as proof that if you don't kill him the first time, you never will. I assumed you would have picked up on that by the tone of my letter. Logan learns. Thats why hes a SURVIVER. Go for the throat once, lesson learned. Go for the throat twice, as Logans said before, your lucky your costumes red!

I really like your debate, but if it's okay I'll throw a comment or two. And I apologize already if I use arguments or pick on things that have already been dealt with, I've only read a few last pages of this thread.

I could say the same thing about Cap. Logan can tag Spiderman easily and so can Daredevil

What really made me think was the fact that you basically claim that Daredevil is more agile than Spider-man because Logan can hit Spidey, but Logan has no chance whatsoever to even touch DD. DD is at peak human, while Spidey's agility is beyond that, it's one of his main powers

DAREDEVIL KNOWS WHAT WOLVERINE DOES BEFORE THE MOVE IS EVEN EXECUTED. WOLVERINE IS VUNERABLE TO NERVE ATTACKS.

DD sure has his radar sense, but Spidey has spider sense, which allows him to dodge any danger before it happens. Still he gets hits all the time. Isn't that peculiar?

Where the hell is your logic? Oh wait, there is none.

He has logic, I can easily believe that DD dodges Wolverines attacks for a while, but forever? No way. Wolverine can dodge things if he wanted to, he just doesn't usually have to use that because of his healing factor. He still is a smart guy, when he finds out that DD cannot be taken down with attacks of mad nature he just adapts. He didn't that when he fought Mister X in Bloodsport. X really knows what he does next, because he's a telepath, still he lost.

Daredevil is a tough fighter, knows plenty of styles and his incredible agility makes a hard target. When you add radar sense you get one formidable enemy to tangle with. He has beaten up people with threshold of pain high as hell (Punisher), people agile as Nightcrawler (Spidey), people whose strength is way above his (Absorbing Man, ridiculous fight though), but I don't think he would get the majority here. Wolverine has so much better showings in auspices of endurance and dealing damage that I believe in his chances more.

Thank you Tshern. I thought it was rather clear. But damn that was a good argument. We gotta have another again jrodslam. argue cheers

I can't really provide any scans, though. My comic book collection includes many feats from Wolverine, but I don't have a scanner...

And still about Mister X. He defeated Taskmaster with ease. Wolverine defeated Mister X who masters several forms of fighting and according to Wolverine knows how to use pretty much every weapon on Earth. X was armed and has his telepathical battle recognition and still Wolverine won the fight.

Thats what gets my goat. Wolverine was supposed to be the best there was. And a lot of people seem to forget that. To be trained by Ogun, and then be accepted by Stick, there's no way someones going to tell me Logan isn't in the top 3 h2h fighters in marvel.
I'm just waiting for Logan to regain his place at the top 😄

In the top 3? I don't believe in that, at least Karnak, Taskmaster and Shang Chi are better in hand-to-hand, when measuring pure skill.

You havent seen Shang Chi get his hat handed to him by Wolverine then have you? I wish I had a scanner! Taskmaster May be better, but I wouldnt put money on him to survive!

Originally posted by jrodslam
A\ It could be a bunch of Wolverine fans for all i know. \

and u could be a DD fanboy for all i know

Originally posted by Valharu
Again you miss the point. My last 2 posts have ripped wholes in your arguments. You have proof of DD taking Logan out. As ridiculous as that is. How many times are you going to use that one page?1.2.5.7.100 times? Are you going to scan the page where DD is in a nelson? HMMM.
And you still haven't explained how DD is quick enough to sense Wolverine strike and yet be quick enough to land a blow even after moving later than Logan. Where does it say Dare Devils reflexes are quicker than Logans?
Do you understand what I'm saying? And I'm using Logans enemies as proof that if you don't kill him the first time, you never will. I assumed you would have picked up on that by the tone of my letter. Logan learns. Thats why hes a SURVIVER. Go for the throat once, lesson learned. Go for the throat twice, as Logans said before, your lucky your costumes red!

Naw i dont miss the point at all. Where are the holes? I post that scan to show you Wolvie is vunerable to that type of attack. you clearly seem to not understand that nor choose to believe it. Wolvie didnt put DD in a nelson in that comic. What is it that youre talking about? I havent explained how how DD is quick enough to sense Wolverine strike and yet be quick enough to land a blow even after moving later than Logan? He knows when an opponent is going to attack due to the heartbeat. Hes already done thinking about his second move while hes still dodging his opponents first attack. Hed certainly be fast enough. Read.

Using Logans enemies arent proof with anything. Hell Omega Red toyed with Wolverine the first few times they fought. What was Wolverine doing? Running away. Plus just because they couldnt get the job done, STILL doesnt meant that Daredevil wouldnt beat him. Good guys are suppose to win. How many villains you know kill the goodguy? Now youre reaching. Les be real here.

Can you prove Wolverine isnt vunerable to these types of attacks?

As we know Wolvie already got hit with this chop to the throat.




Note thats Wolverine asking if he was dead or not.

Id like to see proof of how Wolvie is tagging Daredevil at bloodlusted and full potential.

Originally posted by Tshern
What really made me think was the fact that you basically claim that Daredevil is more agile than Spider-man because Logan can hit Spidey, but Logan has no chance whatsoever to even touch DD. DD is at peak human, while Spidey's agility is beyond that, it's one of his main powers

🤨 Ive never stated that Daredevil is more agile than Spiderman.

Originally posted by Tshern
DD sure has his radar sense, but Spidey has spider sense, which allows him to dodge any danger before it happens. Still he gets hits all the time. Isn't that peculiar?

Difference between the two is that Daredevil actually knows what the danger is. Spidey just knows theres a danger. We've been over this in other debates. Different senses imo.

Originally posted by Tshern
He did that when he fought Mister X in Bloodsport. X really knows what he does next, because he's a telepath, still he lost.

Thing is when using regular combat X was getting the best of him because he was reading Wolvies mind and knowing his moves. ONLY through reading the mind. Thats why the beserk rage worked. Because Wolvie didnt think. He just let the emotions take over. Daredevil doesnt read minds, so Wolvie going beserk wouldnt mess DD's precog senses up like it did X.

HAHAHAHAHA. I was wandering when you were gonna come back. I mentioned Logans enemies so that you could see who he has faced and survived. For over a hundred years being taught by masters all over the globe, and having his own feral side, I find it hard that some one can beat him with contempt. And thats basically in your words. By DAREDEVIL. Who (I quote you on this) in his bloodlust not even Spiderman can touch!
You don't even leave high school without learning to adopt to different situations. Little own a born fighter over 100 years old who looks like he could age another 100!
And the holes I ripped in your arguments were your own fault because you missed my meaning and proceeded to ramble on about something or other I cant even remember any more.

Jrodslam, gotta like your posts. It's nice to argue with people who produce well-written text.

What the f**k? Ive never stated that Daredevil is more agile than Spiderman.

Yeah, my bad writing I suppose. Iwas just refering to this:

Logan can tag Spiderman easily and so can Daredevil

he knows when an opponent is going to attack due to the heartbeat.

That's one thing I'd like to point out. What if Logan goes to berserk state? His heartbeat changes completely and he's rushing with full adrenaline. Daredevil probably wouldn't be able to predict his movements and then he's knee deep in trouble.

Difference between the two is that Daredevil actually knows what the danger is. Spidey just knows theres a danger. We've been over this in other debates. Different senses imo.

So yes, the senses are different, but due to Spidey's other abilities he's able to compensate and still he is getting hit on a regular basis. All of this is arguable since there hasn't been an explanation for this yet, at least not in the comics. Right?

Thing is when using regular combat X was getting the best of him because he was reading Wolvies mind and knowing his moves. ONLY through reading the mind

As you said, Mister X's battle recognition happens throughs mind reading, but I think it's even better than radar sense. He knows exactly where people hit BEFORE the strike is even started. DD knows that there is going to be a hit, but doesn't know where before the punch is already on its way. That's one asset of subconscious mind scanning.

Wolverine has faced dozens of brilliant martial artists, many of which probably know nerve point strikes, but still they haven't put Logan down using those. Logan has been shot through so many nerves that I don't even think it has an effect on him. If DD somehow manages to paralyze a limp, Wolvie's healing factor just repairs the nerve. Plain and simple.

Sorry that I can't provide any scans with this sort notice, but thanks for your scans. They were really elaborate. Your turn.

DD tries to stop Logan from killing typhoid Mary. Logan punks him out with a nelson and after DDs in the background looking like a frightened kitten.. I hope that helps!

Originally posted by Valharu
HAHAHAHAHA. I was wandering when you were gonna come back. I mentioned Logans enemies so that you could see who he has faced and survived. For over a hundred years being taught by masters all over the globe, and having his own feral side, I find it hard that some one can beat him with contempt. And thats basically in your words. By DAREDEVIL. Who (I quote you on this) in his bloodlust not even Spiderman can touch!
You don't even leave high school without learning to adopt to different situations. Little own a born fighter over 100 years old who looks like he could age another 100!
And the holes I ripped in your arguments were your own fault because you missed my meaning and proceeded to ramble on about something or other I cant even remember any more.

🤨 You mentioned Logans enemies proving nothing. The good guys is gonna win most of the times and lose sometimes. Thats what happens in comics. 🙄 Even so, like i mentioned before is still irrelevant. Why? Because Daredevil has also fased most of those enemies and survived as well. Whats your point? You mention his 100+ years of training. So? That means he cant be beat by someone with only 20 years of training? Nulled. You quote my words right. A bloodlusted Daredevil would hear the heartbeat jump before the person even moves. Spidey isnt precieved as some speedster to Daredevil. Hell it was Spidey who commented on how fast he couldnt believe Daredevil was. Why? Because DD is always a step ahead of him. You can call my FACTS rambling all you want. You still havent proved anything to support your arguement at all. I find it hillarious and sad at the same time. Start posting facts to support your opinions. 😄

Tshern, you should of been here at the start.

Originally posted by Valharu
DD tries to stop Logan from killing typhoid Mary. Logan punks him out with a nelson and after DDs in the background looking like a frightened kitten.. I hope that helps!

You fail to mention that the reason Logan didnt want DD involved wa because Mary has an influence on people who shes close with such as Daredevil that makes them not think properly. Wolvie wasnt familiar with her and thats why he chose to go alone. Logan grabbed DD to protect him. Nice try. 😄

*glances at poll*

yay! two more votes for the good guys 😆