see, IMO all these places that DD could strike, the 'nerve spots' are too minute and small to actually strike on them over and over and too small of an area to concentrate upon while 6 adamantium claws are about to shred u to pieces, and plus some of them could be covered up by the adamantium in his bones
^ I never said that Wolverine would be able to predict DD moves. I just said that Wolverine has enhanced reflexes and reaction time. And it wouldn't be THAT easy to take down Wolverine in one move. Wolverine wouldn't allow that. I can see DD taking this fight maybe 3/10 times but it wouldn't be as easy as jrodslam and you are making it seem. Wolverine still takes the majority here because of better fighting skills, claws, adamantium skeleton, healing factor, and superior strength.
Originally posted by braz
see, IMO all these places that DD could strike, the 'nerve spots' are too minute and small to actually strike on them over and over and too small of an area to concentrate upon while 6 adamantium claws are about to shred u to pieces, and plus some of them could be covered up by the adamantium in his bones
Seriously, I mean you guys are making it seem like DD could easily take down Wolverine simply because of his "nerve strikes." Do you really think he can concentrate on such a small target while Wolverine starts slashing and hacking at him? Get real! Those tiny miniscule parts of the body are DD's only hope and I doubt he'd get to them before Wolverine deguts him.
Originally posted by braz
see, IMO all these places that DD could strike, the 'nerve spots' are too minute and small to actually strike on them over and over and too small of an area to concentrate upon while 6 adamantium claws are about to shred u to pieces, and plus some of them could be covered up by the adamantium in his bones
One more note: Wolverine's adamantium skeleton, while MUCH harder than a normal person's skeleton, is still the same shape size as a normal one. His pressure points are be still as vulnerable as anyone else's.
Originally posted by batdude123
^ I never said that Wolverine would be able to predict DD moves. I just said that Wolverine has enhanced reflexes and reaction time. And it wouldn't be THAT easy to take down Wolverine in one move. Wolverine wouldn't allow that. I can see DD taking this fight maybe 3/10 times but it wouldn't be as easy as jrodslam and you are making it seem. Wolverine still takes the majority here because of better fighting skills, claws, adamantium skeleton, healing factor, and superior strength.
Instead he'll strike with swiftness and precision. If he misses on his first try, then he can just avoid Wolverine and wait for the next opportunity to arise.
And it still has yet to be proven that Wolverine's fighting skills are truly better than Matt's fighting skills.
Just to interject, I've loved reading jrod and hitandruns posts cause they write so intelligently but I just have to get in my two cents.
If the only agruments for DD winning the majority is that DD will hit nerve points and just won't get touched, then DD is going to lose.
This has been tried like in the X-men iss. where Wolverine was a horseman and was fighting Kitty. She stabbed him various times in many nerve areas but didn't accomplish anything. Recently Elektra tried the same thing with her sais in Enemy of the State and that didn't help her much either. DD took down Wolverine with a punch to the throat, well all i can say there is PIS since it was later that Wolverine was shrugging of explosions. This is a guy who has survived almost on the surface of the sun and takes hits from the Hulk and got stabbed in the neck with his own claws so I doubt that should have hurt him at all.
As to how DD won't get touched. Please explain this to me. Cause simply knowing that your opponent is planning to attack does not equal being able to avoid them. The best example here is with Mister X. Even before he figured out X was a telepath he was still doing well against him. This was when Wolverine was carefully planning out moves in his head so X knew exactly what was coming. Still he got hit a few times, he didn't lose but he got hit. This is like DD. Just because hornhead knows Wolverine is going to attack does not mean he has the speed to dodge the blow. Their speed and reflexes are so close that they are negible.
SO now we have men who are almost equal in speed and skill. DD has his senses, don't forget Wolverine has heigthened senses too he just doesn't use them most of the but since this is full potential he'll use them. DD has his billy clubs, Wolverine has his claws and healing factor. If DD's best chance to win is by trying to hit nerves of a guy who matches and bests him in many categories then he loses the majority.
Originally posted by jrodslamHow can you seriously compare Flash to Daredevil? Flash probably is the fastest character in the DCU yet he gets hit by guys like Slade. Daredvil is not the faster, nor the most agile and he doesn't have the best reflexes yet its impossible for him to get hit? Being able to sense your opponents moves doesn't always mean you can dodge them. It helps but its not a guarantee. And yes, guess you didn't know about Wolverine's heightened senses. He normally is only shown to use his sense of smell to track enemies or his hearing to listen to heartbeats to see if someone is lying but he does have the ability. So yes he can sense when someone is going to tense even beofre they strike. It isn't played up much, like his fighting skills, but he does possess them. And Wolverine does have heigthened speed, i'd tell you check his bio or a handbook but you don't go by those, but I won't factor the speed since its still pretty close to Matt's. And I'm sorry, I looked at all the pages and I see no proof where Wolverine could not lay a finger on DD. I see speed feats and agility feats but no conclusive evidence to say that DD can not be touched.
How am i making Daredevil seem like a God? Those are his abilities. Its just like how Flash should never get touched in combat. The same goes for DD. You said "what good is being able to see your opponents moves if your opponent can essentially do the same?" Are you serious? Since when can Wolverine hear your heartbeat and know your about to do a move? Since when can Wolverine hear the muscles in your arm start to tense before even making the fist? Id like to know. You also said that Wolverine has superior speed? What makes you think his speed is superior? What do you base your opinions off of?You best arguement is to say that if Daredevil can lay a hand on Wolverine, then Wolvie can do that same? Thats the best you can come up with? Ive explained and shown/proved why Wolverine would never lay a hand on DD. Yet im the one whos called a fanboy? 😆
Originally posted by marvelprince
Just to interject, I've loved reading jrod and hitandruns posts cause they write so intelligently but I just have to get in my two cents.If the only agruments for DD winning the majority is that DD will hit nerve points and just won't get touched, then DD is going to lose.
This has been tried like in the X-men iss. where Wolverine was a horseman and was fighting Kitty. She stabbed him various times in many nerve areas but didn't accomplish anything. Recently Elektra tried the same thing with her sais in Enemy of the State and that didn't help her much either. DD took down Wolverine with a punch to the throat, well all i can say there is PIS since it was later that Wolverine was shrugging of explosions. This is a guy who has survived almost on the surface of the sun and takes hits from the Hulk and got stabbed in the neck with his own claws so I doubt that should have hurt him at all.
As to how DD won't get touched. Please explain this to me. Cause simply knowing that your opponent is planning to attack does not equal being able to avoid them. The best example here is with Mister X. Even before he figured out X was a telepath he was still doing well against him. This was when Wolverine was carefully planning out moves in his head so X knew exactly what was coming. Still he got hit a few times, he didn't lose but he got hit. This is like DD. Just because hornhead knows Wolverine is going to attack does not mean he has the speed to dodge the blow. Their speed and reflexes are so close that they are negible.
SO now we have men who are almost equal in speed and skill. DD has his senses, don't forget Wolverine has heigthened senses too he just doesn't use them most of the but since this is full potential he'll use them. DD has his billy clubs, Wolverine has his claws and healing factor. If DD's best chance to win is by trying to hit nerves of a guy who matches and bests him in many categories then he loses the majority.
And “Enemy of the State” is not often regarded to being the best writing out there. In this very story, Wolverine takes down the Thing (the guy who has taken blows from the friggin Champion and kept on going) down with one stab to the shoulder.
I’m also surprised that you consider Wolverine dropping to his knees from not being able to breathe more PIS than Wolverine shrugging off explosions and blows from the Hulk. As Darkcrawler has said before, Wolverine only survives incidents such as those because his opponents give him time to heal. Logan does have a high tolerance for pain, but he still needs to breathe like every one else.
On that note, almost NO ONE tries to take down Wolverine with a pressure point, especially not someone like the Hulk or Sabretooth. Whenever, someone far stronger than Wolverine attacks him, he takes adavantage of his durable skeleton and healing factor to overcome it. But DD has way to attack AROUND the skeleton where Logan is just as vulnerable as anyone else.
Just how good are Mister X’s reflexes? Because, even if he was once a very skilled fighter, it’s very possible that he may have been too reliant on reading his opponent’s mind, which failed him against Berserker Wolverine. Daredevil’s reflexes have been shown to be on par with Pre-“Other” Spider-Man (again, not equal, just on par) and no matter what state of mind Wolverine is in, Matt can still read his body language by sensing his muscle movements. DD’s reflexes have shown well enough to consistently give Spider-Man trouble in a fight and even bat away bullets. This is why DD will be able to avoid Logan so well.
Logan’s senses are as enhanced as an animal’s (one of the many reasons he is called “Wolverine”). He can smell, hear, and see, just fine. But he doesn’t have a radar sense like Daredevil. He can’t sense his opponent’s movements like DD can (I don't rcall ever learning of any mammal capable of doing this), which is why DD has the advantage in that area. As enhanced as Logan is in terms of senses, reflexes, agility, and fighting skill, Matt’s got him beat.
Wolverine CAN beat DD with a fatal slash- it’s not impossible. It’s just not very likely, considering all Matt has to do is use his superior reflexes to attack first in a spot where Wolverine is vulnerable. If Wolverine’s breathing is stopped, then he WILL fall to his knees until his healing factor fixes it (he still needs to breathe). Even if DD doesn’t attack him there, he can still attack Logan in plenty of other places to at least stun him long enough for DD to pull an even more devastating move or nerve strike.
Just how good are Mister X’s reflexes? Because, even if he was once a very skilled fighter, it’s very possible that he may have been too reliant on reading his opponent’s mind
Instead he'll strike with swiftness and precision. If he misses on his first try, then he can just avoid Wolverine and wait for the next opportunity to arise.
He'll manage to take out Wolverine with swiftness and precision just like Gamora did in Infinity Crusade? She tried, she was even armed, but still Wolverine won her in an all-out brawl.
DD is an honorary member of the chaste, that already puts his fighting knowledge and ability above everyone
Is Elektra a member? Well, her fighting skill is way below that of Gamora, that's why Gamora is called the deadliest woman in the galaxy. Hence, I wouldn't say that a membership of some organization automatically makes DD a better fighter than any non-member.
It was said that Wolverine tags Spidey easy and because he does so, that means hed tag Daredevil with no problems at all. I was simply stating that Daredevil tags Spidey just as easy as Wolverine does. Thus makes no difference. Sorry if i wasnt clear to you on that.
If Wolverine can fairly easily tag Spidey, why wouldn't he be able to hit Daredevil? After all Spider-man is faster, more agile and has spider sense, which is comparable to radar sense.
Wolverine:
-is arguably more powerful.
-has better stamina and endurance.
-has his healing factor.
-is arguably better fighter do to his decades of training and experience.
-has enhanced reaction time and senses.
-has better feats.
-has faced everything DD has to offer before.
Due to those facts I'm giving Wolverine a big majority here, say, 8/10.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
That's bad@ss man. What issue is that?