Justice League (Past & Present) vs. Avengers (Past & Present)

All born Eternals have telepathy.

Dr. Fate's helmet protects him from telepathy to prevent anyone from using his magics for evil. Dr. Fate also possesses telepathy of his own that outshadows MM.

And Sersi's shapeshifting isn't going to fool Fate. His helmet has a Eye of Agamatto wannabe thing in it that dispels all lies. Fate is much more powerful than Sersi.

Norrin Radd, read our posts, and read her profile here;
http://www.avengersforever.org/characters/Characters.asp

Moon Dragon's way more powerful than MM.

I don't think his helmet could withstand the attack of Moon Dragon and Sersi.

It wouldn't be a lie. She would rearrange her atoms and her psyche to match say, Superman's.

His helmet can withstand any attack. Moon Dragon and Sersi are very powerful telepaths. But the magic incantment around his helmet has never been severed before. Gods, wizards and even Neron have tried. They all failed.

Magic dispells lies. No amount of shapeshifting can stop Fate from seeing that Sersi is persay impersonating a teammate.

Extant removed the Helmet. I don't see anywhere in his profile where it says the helmet cannot be removed.

Dr. Strange could surely remove the helmet.

I don't see why Fate is such a threat. He isn't that powerful. It doesn't say anything about protection from telepathy either.

Dr. Strange would definitely beat Dr. Fate. Extant removed Dr. Fate's helmet due to his time-altering powers. He killed all the previous Dr. Fates and disrupt the helmet's true potential. The helmet he removed was a mere shadow of the original. This happened during the Infinite Crisis event.

Dr. Fate is to Dr. Strange. That's why he is so powerful. His magics are phenomenal.

By the way. To everyone who is just joining in. This is the lineup for both teams.

Superman
Batman
Flash
Wonder Woman
Martian Manhunter
Green Lantern
Coldcast
Aquaman
Firestorm
Major Disaster
Dr. Fate
Zatanna
Triumph
Orion
Big Barda
Manitou Raven
Captain Marvel
Captain Atom
Metamorpho
Hourman III (Tyler)

VS.

Captain America
Captain Mar-vell
Wonder Man
Thor
Vision
Hulk
Iron Man
Dr. Druid
She Hulk
Sersi
Moon Dragon
Spiderman
SpiderWoman
Firestar
Living Lightning
Scarlet Witch
Namor
Mr. Fantastic
Invisible Woman
Gilgamesh

Vision could become intangible, or increase is density, making himself weigh tons. He could walk up to fate intangible, put his hand through Fate's head, and instantly increase his density, killing him.

Or Firestar could melt him, she can generate the heat of a thousand suns.

Dr. Fate would not be that big of a deal.

Or Firestorm could turn Vision into plastic, or Coldcast could shut down his computer brain, or Zatanna can turn the Vision into a jack in the box, or Dr. Fate could transport the Vision to another dimension (magic always beats machines), etc.

Firestar also can travel at lightspeed, she can become a being of living microwaves.

Sersi could turn Firestorm into a toaster, He can't even beat Silver Surfer.

Firestar cannot generate the heat of a thousand suns. Her max is about 2000 degrees Far. She's not that powerful

And yes Dr. Fate is a big deal. Magic can do anything. It's nearly impossible to beat, unless another magic user can stop him, Fate's virtually invincible. Thor could beat him though.