Norrin Radd, I know they could.
Dr. Fate's profile says he has broad, not "unlimited" magical ability. Thats ONE exaggeration. Flash's profile says he can hit someone hundreds of times in a second, not millions, IF he can even get past the TK force field. Flash cannot vibrate through force fields. It's a known fact. Distance has nothing to do with this argument.
Who's capable of a superspeed punch? Thor, Gilgamesh, Captain Mar-vell, Sersi, or Wonder Man will suffice.
I didn't say reflexes, I said thought; telepathy doesn't require reflexes. She got shot in the back by a Kree warrior? Give me the issue #. Don't tell me to prove anything Mr. 'Take my word for it.'
"Despite even the greatest of wills, sometimes a ring construct can be broken. It may seem a mere annoyance to a ring wielder, but in reality it could prove quite deadly. A ring wielder links his/her/itself to the power, a psychic backlash occurs immediately after the disruption of a ring generated construct. The backlash can be very painful and disorienting but leaves no permanent damage to the ring wielder. The real danger to the ring wielder is the split seconds of incapacitation, leaving him/her/it vulnerable to attack."
The power constructs are not indestructible or immutable. Sersi would absorb the energy, then defenseless a split second, GL would be easily knocked out.
To Cosmic Cube :
Now you are reduced to word interpretation. Board? Unlimited? What more of "broad' do you need? He beat Satan! He even beat the Spectre, a living entity of God's (the Source's) wrath. His powers are phenomenal. ONE (not even) exaggeration to a least a dozen from YOU. Pathetic.
The Flash CAN past through forcefields. His profile only gives his powers and abilities. I've already given you ample examples for how many times he's already done so.
Dr. Fate is nearly invulnerable. Wonder Man's max speed is Mach 1. Dr. Fate can react fast enough to him. Giga can't fly. Sersi does not have superspeed. She has enhanced speed.
The quote above is USELESS. Why? That's the old rings! The pre-Crisis rings! Not Kyle's ring! Especially since the ring had an overhaul by the Oa Guardians.
Mr. Take My Word For It? Ha! I'm the only one here giving you sources!
Sersi can or cannot absorb Kyle's ring energy. It's highly debatable. Metron and even Parallax tried and failed to absorb Kyle's ring energy. Sersi is nowhere near their power. 😆 😆
Moon Dragon didn't even have the mind gem yet in issue 35.
Manchester.... Coldcast didn't absorb his psionic energy. He did the same thing he did to the JLA.
"Sersi is nowhere near their power." Hah. Sersi can join the Uni-mind. She defeated Proctor, a Watcher, and Loki, by herself. 😆 😆 😆
"If she has a TK up then sure Moony wins.. If she doesn't, a few million hits at near-lightspeed can take of that problem. The mind is nowhere as fast as the Flash."- Draco69
And you have yet to prove that Moon Dragon's Mind Gem enables her to have light-speed reaction time.
Manchester? Coldcast absorb his psionic energy in ACT #779. He did the same thing he did the JLA and....? Manchester never faced the JLA. He faced Superman only.
Metron is a New God with infinite control over time and space. He knows everything and is connected to the source. Parallax destroyed an entire universe with a thought. This isn't Sersi and the Uni-Mind vs. the JLA. This is Sersi all by herself.
The above quote is before I read up on the Flash's vibration powers. Stop quoting me, its bizarre and immature.
Actually it isn't immature; it's an effective way of proving your contradictory statements. You knew of Flash's vibration power. Now you're just lying.
"Certain forcefields also seem to negate this power."
http://www.starnet-database.com/dbase_deo/profiles/flash/flash.html
You said yourself he's susceptable to psionic energy. Hey, you're the JLA buff.
WTF? What did Coldcast's EMP do to the JLA? 🤨
I'm Sorry, she has the Infinity Mind Gem, that exponentially increases all mental ability, including (duh) Thought. The Dragon of the Moon also increases her mental ability drastically. Both offer precognition, so she'd also know the attack was coming.
Moondragon fought Thanos (with plenty of help of course,) and evaded his attack during the Infinity Gauntlet crisis.
I didn't know the Flash's vibtrational powers then. I backed up my statements for the latter arguement with examples and facts. Lying? You're the guy who said Moon Dragon had superhuman endurance. After I found this wasn't even remotely true, I will never believe anything you say.
"Certain forcefields?" Darkseid had a TK shield that was able to buffer several blows from Superman and Orion. The Flash went through it. Moon Dragon's forcefield ain't one of those "certain forcefields"
Suspectible to psionic energies? Only if the attack hits his mind. Not a low-level TK shield.
Coldcast did a bio EMP to the JLA, sure. Sersi has never performed a bio EMP. What all of a sudden Sersi pulls an idea out of her ass and says "I'm gonna do something I've never done before and don't even know what it'll do!" Please!
The Infinity Mind Gem increases her telepathic abilities, that's it. The Dragon of the Moon does the same thing. (It makes me wonder how she would fare with these toys of hers) Moon Dragon may know the attack is coming ( So what? Hourman is ten times better), however she only possesses human reflexes. Human reflexes are not paramount to a near-lightspeed attack.
Moon Dragon fought Thanos and evaded his attack. So what does that prove? Thanos doesn't possess lightspeed superspeed.
Certain Avengers vs. Certain JLAers would win. Even select Avengers lineups vs. select JLA lineups would win. But overall, with a massive lineup like this, the JLA just has too many characters, too overly powerful to be taken down. Maybe once we see what Sentry can do, he could turn the tide, as his powers are supposed to be omnipowerful.
I love the Avengers, but one's side can't always win, sometimes, you have to lay down in the mud and eat the worms. If you could have Moondragon rape all of their minds, while Starfox overstimulates their pleasure centers, Warbird, Thor and whomever else can absorbs all their energy (mostly in the case of people like Supes, whose bodies rely on a temporarily exhaustable source of radiation). Then the Avengers might have a chance. It all comes down to strategy and who would write it. But mostly the JLA have the upperhand and would dominate.
Honestly the only ones that I can comment on... I would have to say that the only ones that pose the biggest threats are Superman, Batman, Flash, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Supergirl, Captain America, Iron Man, Spider-Man and the Human Torch. I don't know the extent of some of their powers, but I would have to say that the last ones standing would be (if kryptonite was involved), Superman, Batman, Green Lantern, Captain America and Spider-Man. Flash I think could be outplayed, Wonder Woman beaten down, Supergirl destroyed with kryptonite, Iron Man blown up, and Torch I don't know how strong he is but he could be tamed I guess. Now...the Green Lantern, I think Spider-Man could take care of. That evens the score. If I had to say any team would win, it would be the justice league, because Superman is sort of held as the king of superheroes. Batman definitely would last I think, despite all these people with energy beams and whatnot. Batman is the luckiest sob in comic history considering he has absolutely no superpowers at all, but he seems to be able to take down even people of Superman's caliber. Spider-Man has potential to take out anybody, as do Superman and Batman, so I think this would end up a draw.
I mistakenly called Moondragon an Eternal; she's new to me. You know everything there is to know about the JLA. You knew about all of Flash's powers. Thanos does possess lightspeed. Darksied doesn't even have TK, and if he did, it would be nowhere near Moondragons level. Low level TK sheild? Nothing Moondragon does is low level. The Mind Gem enhances Mental Ability, not telepathy only. Telepathy doesn't require reflexes.
I almost forgot, the Mind Gem can steal souls. A Kree used it to steal Silver Surfer's soul. Sounds like you're underestimating again...
You keep saying "Hourman could do it better." What the hell does that have to do with Moon Dragon predicting Flash's attack?
Thanos does NOT possess lightspeed. He possesses teleportation. Darkseid does possess a TK shield. This is similar to Superman's forcefield around his body. It's nearly impenetrable by conventional means. He can survived a barrage from Superman, Wonder Woman, Orion and even a blast from the Astroforce. The Atom had to shrink to subatomic particle size to get through. The Flash got through but he couldn't really do anything to Darkseid. Precognition requires reflexes. If you know what's going to happen before it happens, you have to react fast enough to the attack. Moon Dragon possesses human reflexes. She can't react fast enough to the Flash. Moon Dragon may have impressive TK shields but they falter before Darkseid's.
God, I am so tired of this thread. 🪩
Proof for Thanos' speed : http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/t/thanos.htm
I've seen Superman kick Darksied's ass. He doesn't have a TK sheild either, It's called invulnerability. Besides, there is no mention of TK in his profile, so please don't use it in your argument. All you have done is pull invulnerabilities and powers out of your ass that aren't named in any of their profiles throughout the entire thread.
You've said:
"Green Lantern's ring automatically protects him from telepathy."
"Dr. Fate's helmet protects him from all telepathy."
"New Gods are immune to telepathy."
"Flash is immune to electricity."
"Hourman is immune to electricity."
"Coldcast can absorb psionic energy."
None of these attributes appear in any of their profiles.
I've said:
"Firestar can travel at lightspeed."
Her speed is said to be "yet undefined" by her avengersforever.org profile.
http://www.avengersforever.org/characters/Characters.asp
"Moondragon is an Eternal with Superhuman endurance."
Classicmarvel.com (a source you also used) lists her as an Eternal.
http://classicmarvel.com/cast_eternal.htm
This was an honest mistake. Not a lie.
If you can find any more notify me please.
MoonDragon possesses a cosmic entity, and a Mind Gem, both of which you are drastically underrating. Her shield would be far more powerful than anything Darkseid could muster. Precognition requires reflexes!?! MOTION requires reflexes. Mo mental process requires reflexes. Fast enough?! All she has to do is think it; not say it, not 'wave her arms in a strange pattern,' just THINK it. She has precognition. Do you know what that means? It essentially means "the process of thinking before." ALL mental abilities (including thought,) are increased by the Mind Gem AND the Dragon.
You're welcome to resign at any time. I will continue to prove my point.
Darkseid has a TK shield. (JLA Rock of Ages storyline; New Gods mini-series.
Green Lantern's ring automatically protects him from telepathy because of the supercomputer, which compensates all known attack manuevers, embedded in the ring by the Oa Guardians. This enabled him to become undetectable by the White Martians.
The Flash is immune to electricity for the reasons and sources I've already specified.
New Gods are immune to telepathy (Martian Manhunter series Vol.3)
Hourman is not immune to electricity. He can however turn intangible. Hourman is not 20th century robot. He's an extremely advanced technological being from the 853rd that possesses technologies beyond imagination. Hourman can think above the speed of light and would turn intangible before LL could zap him.
Coldcast can absorb psionic energies. (ACT #779) He did it to Manchester Black.
Firestar cannot travel at lightspeed. The Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe : Avengers says her max speed is Mach 3. "Undefined" does not equal lightspeed.
Moon Dragon is not an Eternal. Read her profile at http://www.avengersforever.org/characters/characters.asp.
Classic Marvel is outdated. The specs are from 1980. That's why its called "classic"
Moon Dragon possesses a Mind Gem. That's it. How many toys are you going to put in her? Moon Dragon is nowhere near Darkseid's level. Your knowledge of DC is incompetent. Moon Dragon cannot think at near-lightspeed. Her profile says nothing of the sort. The Flash owns her. Period.
Resign? Please! 😆 I've beaten you in every other argument. What's left? Moon Dragon. You're straddling her like she's the prepice of your argument (and she is). You're in a corner. We'll resume this later on. Me so tired. 😖leep: Buh-bye! 😮💨
"Darkseid has a TK shield. (JLA Rock of Ages storyline; New Gods mini-series."
Darkseids force field is not TK.
"Green Lantern's ring automatically protects him from telepathy because of the supercomputer, which compensates all known attack manuevers, embedded in the ring by the Oa Guardians. This enabled him to become undetectable by the White Martians."
I've seen the comic. He created a special "telepathy-blocking shield." The ring can create whatever he want's it to so that is well within his means. The ring is not "preprogrammed" to protect against telepathy. or anything else for that matter. He knew about the white martians, he knows MM's power. He knows nothing about Moon Dragon. He wouldn't know that she was psychic. BOOM! There goes your GL arguement. 🙂
"The Flash is immune to electricity for the reasons and sources I've already specified."
You haven't provided any online sources stating that Flash is immune to electricity. Use profiles, not comics. Flash doesn't absorb electricity, but it doesn't matter. I have already proven Moondragon would beat him.
"New Gods are immune to telepathy (Martian Manhunter series Vol.3)"
Who cares, the rest of the Avengers would kick their asses (Thor, Wonder Man, Hulk, Dr. Druid, Sue Richards, need I go on?)
"Hourman is not immune to electricity. He can however turn intangible. Hourman is not 20th century robot. He's an extremely advanced technological being from the 853rd that possesses technologies beyond imagination. Hourman can think above the speed of light and would turn intangible before LL could zap him."
And then Sersi would transmute him into a LCD Clock-Radio.
"Coldcast can absorb psionic energies. (ACT #779) He did it to Manchester Black."
I already said this, He did an EMP, he can't absorb psionic energy. His powers control electrons, not energy. "Period."
"Firestar cannot travel at lightspeed. The Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe : Avengers says her max speed is Mach 3. "Undefined" does not equal lightspeed."
Really? Earlier you said Mach 1. I'm inclined to believe that you don't even own a handbook.
"Moon Dragon is not an Eternal. Read her profile at http://www.avengersforever.org/char...characters.asp.
Classic Marvel is outdated. The specs are from 1980. That's why its called "classic""
I've seen the profile. I gave you the same link earlier, genius. Glad to see you visited her profile. See the little part about her melting planets?
"At this point, due to further training, Firestar can release enough microwaves to incinerate a continent, or even destroy the planet Earth itself." Direct from the profile.
"Moon Dragon possesses a Mind Gem. That's it. How many toys are you going to put in her? Moon Dragon is nowhere near Darkseid's level. Your knowledge of DC is incompetent. Moon Dragon cannot think at near-lightspeed. Her profile says nothing of the sort. The Flash owns her. Period. "
Let's not talk about using profiles to prove points. Your innate desire for the JLA to win is clouding your judgement. Darkseid sucks, he's Superman's punching bag, Moondragon would own him too. Anyone who uses the Shiar Mind Gem can think at lightspeed. Even if Flash could attack her, the Mind Gem increases her power so much that she doesn't even need to focus. She would kill Flash in mid attack. Or Living Lightning would distract him, allowing her to kill him. Why would flash even attack her first? This isn't a one on one. He'd go after Hulk or Thor or someone. Anyway you put it, Flash loses to Moondragon, get over it. Then she takes out the other half of the JLA.
You haven't beaten me in an arguement yet.
Here's a perfect example:
Q: Sersi can absorb GL's ring power.
A: Others have tried and failed. Parallax tried. He's more powerful than Sersi.
Q: Sersi defeated a Watcher and Loki single handedly. She's way more powerful than Parallax. She's a 5th (highest) level energy/matter manipulator.
A: Sersi would be one of the last to fall.
Where the hell did that come from? A completely unsupported unrelated opinionative claim. You do it quite often. I've beaten you in almost every argument, but you finally retort with an unsupported post, such as the one above.
From now on, use web pages to prove points. I can't go buy a comic book issue every time you say "Check out JLA Volume" whatever.... If you can't prove it in your post with a web page, please don't utilize the information, as I will no longer acknowledge your unproven rants. As I said before, resign whenever you like.