*sigh* It just came out. And no, it has EVERY Avenger in it complete with bio, stats, abilities, etc. The cover is just for show. It's like saying Wolverine is the only one in the X-Men comic when he makes the cover.
I can't give you an URL because 1: it just came out. Two: It would be illegal to give it to you and Three: no website has it so you're gonna have to buy it.
Originally posted by Draco69
...And yet again, I have to correct to you. I feel like like a teacher grading a hundred essays.Everything you said about Kent Nelson is true. Except that his power/abilities described are Kent Nelson WITHOUT the helmet. *shakes head in pity*
These are his abilities:
Ability to summon & use large amounts of magic to perform almost any feat such as shields, teleportation, increasing size etc.
Ability to create objects
Ability to summon creatures or banish creatures
Ability to travel through the time-stream
Flight
Speed
Super Strength
Almost invulnerable
Formidable opponent at Hand-to-hand Combat & Jujitsu
Immunity to TelepathyI should become a editor. I'm pretty good at this correcting thing.
Captain Mar-vell was NOT an Avenger. He was an ally. He fought BESIDE the Avengers during the Destiny War. The Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe is irrefutable. Marvel made it and was written by the editor in chief himself. It this is wrong than all other sources are wrong.
And you saw his power levels. You don't want him on your team. Replace him with Hercules or something.
I refuted everything you said. These powers are nowhere in his profile. Where is your source. Show me any website saying that he has all of these abilities.
You didn't refute ANYTHING I've said. I've refuted EVERYTHING you've said. I know how you work. The minute I beat you in one argument you move on to the next as if it never happened. It's very immature.
Here's my source :
http://www.angelfire.com/ca2/HERORPG/Kent.html
Yes, I do. Strange isn't immune to telepathy either. No marvel character is absolutely immune to telepathy. Resistance and immunity are very different. The helmet may very well provide some resistance, but immunity means telepathy has no effect whatsover. That I will not believe unless you prove it. And remember, Moon Dragon (with the Mind Gem and the DOTM) is way more powerful than Manhunter.
Firestar cannot travel at lightspeed, whether or not Captain Marvel can is debatable, but nevertheless irrelevant. Niether are essential to the Avenger's winning. Read my last post on the previous page.
Orion would beat Thor. He has the Astroforce (which once destroyed a planet) He's stronger than Superman and much more invulnerable.
EMP destroys Iron Man. Don't make me repeat myself.
Hourman has complete control over time. One time portal to the 18th century and Scarlet Witch is dust. He can even accelerate a person's aging.
Green Lantern would definitely beat Moon Dragon. Telepathy vs. the most powerful weapon in the universe. His willpower is definitely stronger than hers.
Coldcast vs. Sersi and Namor: One biological EMP and Namor and Sersi are vegetables for life.
Dr. Fate with his god-like magic powers makes an impentrable telepathic shield. It ain't that hard to conceive.
Placing the entire fight on the shoulders of Coldcast, who you haven't even proven to have energy manipulation, or even his "immunity to telepathy"? Electromagnetic pulse's don't cause brain damage, and Namor absorbs electricity. Nevertheless Coldcast would have his hands full with Sersi. His Electromagnetic Pulse would be absorbed, (remember? matter/energy manipulation?) He wouldn't be able to affect Iron Man, or anyone else for that matter.
Orion beats Thor? Well, though I doubt this severly, (being that Thor has eons of fighting ability, can tap into Odin Force, and the Godwave,) how would Orion fare against, Thor, Hulk, She-Hulk, and Gilgamesh?
Vison could phase through Hourman, and increase his density, destroying Hourman. What happened to the whole "magic always beats machines," deal huh?
Green Lantern's will is much stronger than Moon Dragon's? That's highly improbable, he was challenged by Deathstroke for Christ's sake.
God-like Magic power? Your overestimation of Dr. Fate has snowballed severly. His profile says he has rudimentary magical ability and knowledge, Rudimentary = Elementary.
Your opinion sounds severely biased in the favor of the Justice League. They are severly outnumbered, and outgunned.
Originally posted by Draco69
He's in the JSA now. And yes he possesses these abilities. Although he's technically dead (kinda sorta it's hard to explain). His helmet is protects him from telepathy (Martian Manhunter Vol. 3 #2)Do really believe that a guy with so much power doesn't have some sort of resistantance to telepathy?
I'm sure you can find the words. Explain please?
I'm back (God bless Krispy Kreme Doughnuts)
First off, Coldcast. This is an excerpt from JLA #100 August 2004 :
Sister Superior : We're under new management, girl (directed to Faith)... Coldcast
Coldcast unleashes a cloud of energy from his mouth. Several JLAers fall.
Plastic Man : Uh, lemme guess...bad breath ray?
Sister Superior : A biological equivalent of an E.M.P.. Shuts down neurons by rendering electrons inert.
The biological E.M.P. argument has proven and accredited. Coldcast is a swiss army knife when it comes to energy. In Action Comics #775, Coldcast reduced thousands of Chinese soldiers and a two-mile wide Chinese base in diameter to GRAIN. In Action Comics #779, Coldcast gave Superman a human equivalent of a stroke. Later on he hit him with a "grill-full of red solar radiation". Coldcast juggles different energy types for kid's birthday parties. Coldcast has complete control over the entire electromagnetic spectrum. Gamma waves, microwaves, light waves, etc. are all at his disposal.
Hourman possesses intangibility like the Vision. He has complete control over time and possesses a "time-vision" that enables him to know what happens before it happens. It's never been wrong. Hourman could just freeze time around the area around the Avengers and the JLA can proceed to beat the crap out of the frozen statues.
All Avengers with peak human or superhuman endurance are immediately dispatched by the Flash and a few million lightspeed punches to each. The Flash can move, act, think and react at lightspeed and beyond. Captain America, Scarlet Witch, Spider-Man, Spider-Woman, Sersi, and Moon Dragon all go down in the first few picoseconds of the battle. Captain America, though an incredible fighter, possesses the "strength, speed, agility, endurance and reflexes of that of an Olympic level athlete" according to the Handbook. The Avengers are now leaderless. Scarlet Witch also possesses human reflexes. The Avengers' only magic user is out before her brain even registers the hits. Spider-Man possesses a uncanny Spider-Sense. However his Spider-Sense is reliant on his reflexes' ability to react to it. A few million punches to the skull takes him out. SpiderWoman is out the same way. Sersi and Moondragon both possess Category 4 durability (enhanced). It would take several million more punches to take out them, but the Flash is more than capable of this. The only telepath on the team is knocked out. As well as the only molecular manipulator on the Avengers. Not even one second has passed and a fourth of the team is unconscious courtesy of the Flash.
Dr. Fate does not possess "rudimentary" magic skills. Kent Nelson WITHOUT the helmet possesses rudimentary magic skills. Kent Nelson WITH the helmet is a force to be reckoned with. He faced down Spectre and DC's Satan (Neron). His skills are nowhere NEAR rudimentary.
Ability to summon & use large amounts of magic to perform almost any feat such as shields, teleportation, increasing size etc.
Ability to create objects
Ability to summon creatures or banish creatures
Ability to travel through the time-stream
Flight
Speed
Super Strength
Almost invulnerable
Formidable opponent at Hand-to-hand Combat & Jujitsu
According to the Handbook, Iron Man is extremely vulnerable to EMPs. For example, In the 1998 Annual Avengers Special, a man named Imus Champion took out Iron Man with an EMP. Excerpt :
Iron Man : An electromagnetic pulse! Crashing all the electronics in the area including my armor's! Failsafe back-up system'll take six minutes to re-boot from optical rom. And somehow I don't think I'm going to get-- (Champion knocks him out)
The JLA has Triumph. Triumph possesses electromagnetic powers that rival Magneto. Iron Man's armour is made of metal. Iron Man goes down with a twitch of Triumph's finger.
Green Lantern was not defeated by Deathstroke. The two were struggling over GL's ring. Deathstroke was touching GL's ring and the two had a battle of willpower. In order for someone to take control of Kyle's ring they have to be touching it. Moon Dragon (who's already unconscious to begin with ) is not getting anywhere near GL's ring. Kyle had the willpower to contain a blackhole. Moon Dragon is nowhere near his level.
I rescind my statement about Orion beating Thor. Orion is extremely powerful. He can lift an excess of 100 tons. He's more invulnerable than Superman. He's the son of Darkseid. His Astroforce beams have destroyed continents and more. She-Hulk, Giga, and the Hulk are nowhere near his level. His Boom-Tube can teleport him and his opponents anywhere instantaneously. Orion can fly at lightspeed with the aid of his Astro-Harness. She-Hulk and the others don't stand a chance in hell. Orion beat Darkseid, Superman and even Doomsday. He's not to be underestimated.
Obviously you can't count. There are approximately 20 Leaguers and 20 Avengers. The JLA is not outnumbered. The Avengers ARE however outgunned.
Manitou Raven can summon an army of undead soldiers.
Dr. Fate is a master sorcerer who once summoned an army of mystical dragons and demons. He faced down Neron and Spectre. He can do anything that's imaginable.
Zatanna can do anything she wants as long as she says it backwards.
Hourman has complete control over time. He can age people and objects until they're dust.
Green Lantern can do pretty much anything with his power ring.
The Avengers are out of their league. The JLA possesses powers that topple imagination. The JLA will beat the Avengers. It's fact. It's the pecking order. Ask any comic book expert, and the answer will be the same. The JLA are so ridiculously powerful that many people (like you) grow to dislike them because they so perfect and unbeatable. The Avengers are more human and are more realistic. They can beaten. That's what fans like. But the JLA is far more powerful than the Avengers. They would win hands down in a fight. They have some of the most powerful comic book characters in comicdom. The Avengers lose (but not without a good fight)
Boy, do you have your facts messed up...
Born Eternals are immune to energy manipulation. Anything Coldcast can do, Sersi can undo.
Once Living Lightning courses through their circuits at 100,000,000 volts, Metamorpho, and Hourman are both short circuited before they can complete a system process. Besides. if Hourman stopped time, wouldn't the JLA stop too? Besides, time doesn't affect Thor, he a GOD. Odinforce can control time as well. Hourman vs Thor isn't a good fight. He cannot be stopped by time. It doesn't matter anyway, he'd never have a chance. He'd be fried by Living Lightning in "picoseconds."
Moondragon is an Eternal. Her endurance is far past human peak. She took a couple punches from Gladiator, and was still unfazed partially due to her (as I previously stated,) potent telekinetic force field and superhuman endurance. She could shake off a million hits from Flash (who has human level strength), and then render him and his companions vegetables.
As I said before, Anything Coldcast can do, Sersi can undo. And then, she'll kick his ass with her telekinesis.
Flash would be electrocuted long before he could attack anyone. Flash mush accelerate to reach lightspeed. That takes mere seconds, precious seconds he does not have. Living lightning ALWAYS travels at lightspeed. He'd fry Flash long before he could access the "Speedforce." Or Flash would be incased in a forcefield courtesy of Sue or Captain Mar-vell (either one). And actually, Thor would lead the Avengers, not Captain America.
Do you even understand what the Odinforce is? The Odinforce is way stronger than the Phoenix Force, and that can consume stars! Orion took out a Continent? Odinforce could take out a Solar system, easily. Thor would wipe the floor with his ass.
Iron Man's armor isn't made of just 'metal' anymore. Bone up on the new Iron Man comics. It's a virtually indestructable silicon/osmium isotope mesh. Various osmium isotopes are not affected by any form of magnetism, look it up.
Biological EMP? Iron man's current armor repels EMP anyway. Hey... Biological EMP? That would mean it affects LIFEFORMS (that's what 'Bio' stands for,) not machinery. A biological EMP require manipulating electrons, which are matter, not energy, so you STILL haven't proven Coldcast can "manipulate the entire spectrum." (Don't challenge my scientific knowledge.)
Don't black holes contain themselves? Therefore, containing one would not be an outstanding feat. Resisting the gravitational pull of one, would be. Nevertheless, energy manipulation would allow Sersi to siphon all the power from Green Lanterns ring, so she wouldn't have to remove it.
What happened to Fate's "telepathy immunity?" Regardless, Scarlet Witch is more than a match for him, stop underrating her. She can make virtually anything happen. Magic does not reign over probability. Besides, remember the "one superspeed punch?" No more Dr. Fate.
I already showed you that Zattana, Superman, Wonder Woman,
Mantou Raven, and everyone else without sufficient resistance to telepathy is instantly KO'd by Moon Dragon. The Justice League would then, be out numbered. They were already outgunned.
I don't hate the Justice League, but I know when they are beaten. I think your preference for Justice League affects your judgement. Expert opinion? Primarily, I'd like to see it. Secondarily, it has nothing to do with this arguement. Saying that the JLA is more powerful is purely opinion. Save the consolation speech, you're not out of this one yet. Anything the JLA could do, the Avengers can do better. Much better.
If you need to know any Info on Sersi, It's here.
Powers: Sersi has the standard abilities of Earth's Eternals, though she has focused the majority of her power into Transmutational abilities and passed it off as illusion or magic over the centuries.
Cosmic Energy Manipulation: Sersi can manipulate cosmic energy, projecting beams of force, heat, or light from her eyes and hands.
Flight: Sersi, like all Eternals, has mastered the art of flight.
Illusion Generation: Sersi is able to generate illusions that affect all five human senses.
Invulnerability: Sersi is resistant against cold, disease, electricity, energy, heat, radiation and toxin attacks. She does not age, and can only be killed if her atoms are scattered.
Levitation: Sersi can levitate herself and up to seven others.
Matter Transmutation: Sersi is a Fifth Level adept at matter transmutation on a 1-5 scale. She has an unearthly ability to alter molecular structures, allowing her near-unlimited power in altering all forms of matter.
Mind Control: Sersi can control the minds of Eternals, Deviants, and humans.
Telekinesis: Sersi can telekinetically manipulate objects and generate a force field.
Telepathy: Sersi can communicate telepathically, though she can not mentally read the mind of any Deviant.
Teleportation: Sersi can teleport herself and others, but risks becoming paralysed in pain at her destination.
Uni-Mind: Sersi, like all Eternals, can join the Uni-Mind.
She is SO much more powerful that ANY JLA'er
Whoops! I forgot. Moondragon has Also absorbed the Beyonder! Moondragon has the power to manipulate molecules and energy too. The Shiar Mind Gem, Dragon of the Moon, AND the Beyonder. LOL Draco, you are soo wrong.
And both of them can join the Uni-Mind!
Please don't continue to say the Avengers are outclassed. Its so untrue. The Justice League is so blatantly outgunned by the Avengers. Not a one of them stands a chance.