Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I don't recall them ever saying anything about the Cortosis alloy only being able to repell a lightsaber because of a special property of the metal anywhere in the comics...
Originally posted by Melnorme
[B]Wrong. He does it in the first movie. He opens doors with it, and throws Obi Wan with it...both during a lightsaber combat.
It requires a degree of concentration, otherwise they would just do it in the first place. Keying into the force while in the middle of a lightsaber combat is difficult, the fact that Maul managed to do it ONCE (IIRC, he wasn't trading blows with the Jedi when he opened that door) doesn't mean it's easy or even likely for him.
Wrong again. It's an aspect of telekinesis. Luke did it in RotJ, and he was neither a Sith nor a Master, and technically, not even a Jedi yet.
Luke was a Jedi Knight at that point, with plenty of training, and he's got even more latent force potential than Darth Vader. He's a special case. Judging all Jedi by his standards would be like saying Yamcha can blow up the planet because Goku can do it.
Jedi use Force push against droids because they don't want to abuse the Force by harming living things using it directly. That is canan Lucasbooks, so don't even try to dispute it.
Incorrect. They can do it if they overcome the other guys' will, but it's not as easy and usually just slicing him with the saber is more effecient. Refer to the Clone Wars cartoon (which trumps any book as canon): Dooku says to Grievous that because he is more machine than biological, he lacks resistance to the Jedi's telekenesis.
But I'll humor you and also continue this example. Grievous can't directly resist a force push, but he's so blindingly fast that he can literally dodge the waves. (Force pushing is not direct manipulation of the object. You're literally just sending out invisible waves of force against the target.) Now think about how fast Wolverine is. His reflexes are on par with a tiger's. He's repeatedly been shown to move faster than the eye can track. Do you think he couldn't keep pace with Grievous? Even if Maul opted for the force push, Wolverine would dodge them. (And if Maul managed to hit him, simply being thrown back would hardly phase Wolverine at all.)
And as far as Wolverine's willpower, I don't think that's an issue. He's not a Jedi, he's not telekinetic, he has no resistance to such things. I would say that the difference between Maul's abilities and Wolverine's in this arena is even larger than the difference between Dooku and Obi Wan in Episode 3, and surely you know how that Force-choke worked out...with Obi-Wan unconscious and thrown up against a wall.
Maul is not Dooku. He's actually much weaker.... Dooku was a Jedi Master (and former Councilman), while Maul was only on the cusp of achieving that level.
Wolverine's willpower is one of the strongest on earth. His resistance to the pain he constantly endures doesn't come from some kind of numbing effect. It's just pure mental toughness. He's fought direct attacks on his will off before, from villains like SHIVA and Psi-Bot. He also resisted the physiological transformation into a brood drone by willing his healing factor to combat it. He wouldn't fall for nobody's damn Jedi mind-trick.
Maul would own him.
Maul would be in pieces across the room by the end of the fight. Wolverine is more skilled, more resiliant, and too strong of will for Maul.
Originally posted by Piedmon
It requires a degree of concentration, otherwise they would just do it in the first place. Keying into the force while in the middle of a lightsaber combat is difficult, the fact that Maul managed to do it ONCE (IIRC, he wasn't trading blows with the Jedi when he opened that door) doesn't mean it's easy or even likely for him.
He also telekinetically threw Obi Wan off a platform while in the midst of a melee. So, clearly, he can use his powers in the middle of a combat.
Originally posted by Piedmon
Luke was a Jedi Knight at that point, with plenty of training, and he's got even more latent force potential than Darth Vader.
Originally posted by Piedmon
Incorrect. They can do it if they overcome the other guys' will, but it's not as easy and usually just slicing him with the saber is more effecient. Refer to the Clone Wars cartoon (which trumps any book as canon): Dooku says to Grievous that because he is more machine than biological, he lacks resistance to the Jedi's telekenesis.
Originally posted by Piedmon
But I'll humor you and also continue this example. Grievous can't directly resist a force push, but he's so blindingly fast that he can literally dodge the waves. (Force pushing is not direct manipulation of the object. You're literally just sending out invisible waves of force against the target.) Now think about how fast Wolverine is. His reflexes are on par with a tiger's. He's repeatedly been shown to move faster than the eye can track. Do you think he couldn't keep pace with Grievous? Even if Maul opted for the force push, Wolverine would dodge them. (And if Maul managed to hit him, simply being thrown back would hardly phase Wolverine at all.)
Originally posted by Piedmon
Wolverine's willpower is one of the strongest on earth. His resistance to the pain he constantly endures doesn't come from some kind of numbing effect. It's just pure mental toughness. He's fought direct attacks on his will off before, from villains like SHIVA and Psi-Bot. He also resisted the physiological transformation into a brood drone by willing his healing factor to combat it. He wouldn't fall for nobody's damn Jedi mind-trick.
Originally posted by Melnorme
It didn't seem too difficult for him to key into the force and open that door. He just pointed at a piece of debris, pointed at the door, and bam, debris hits button, door opens.He also telekinetically threw Obi Wan off a platform while in the midst of a melee. So, clearly, he can use his powers in the middle of a combat.
Again, if it was so effortless for him, why did he only do it once? Obviously the fact that he was up against force-users makes some difference, but even so: using the force requires concentration, and you can't say concentrating in the middle of a high-speed melee is easy for anyone. If it was, the Jedi would use the force to a much greater extent than we see them do.
No, Luke wasn't. Not by Jedi standards, and not according to Yoda in the same movie.
You do realize his training on Dagobah actually took up the better part of a year? I'm aware Luke cut and ran before his trianing was complete, but even so he says with complete gravitas, "I am a Jedi Knight, like my father before me."
As far as Luke's Force potential, it was not greater than Vader's, at least not in any sources I have seen or heard of.
It could be dead equal to Vader's and it'd still be more impressive than any other Jedi of the Old Republic era.
Finally, that's irrelevant. We're talking about Darth Maul, who was trained as a Sith Lord, compared to Luke who was trained as a Jedi Knight. Maul is used to manipulating the Force in combat and to harmful/deadly effects.
Actually he was shown to be more of a lightsaber-user than a force-emphasizer. We never see him use the force choke, not once. Hell, if he could say, hold someone still with the force, why didn't he do it on Tatooine? It sure would have made things a lot easier for him, and since concentrating in the middle of a duel is no sweat for him, surely he should have just floated little Ani back to the scooter while holding off Qui-Gon?
Luke was not, and yet Luke was able to use his TK training to choke out two of Jabba's guards. I cannot see how Darth Maul wouldn't be able to similarly use this ability, given his specific training in these arts.
I can't see him using them, since, y'know.... he never even did. And it sure would have helped a lot, wouldn't it? And again, Luke was the son of the chosen one, and at least as high in medichlorian count. He might not have had all the training, but his raw potential pussywhipped everyone's except daddy's.
Which episode is that in? I have them all...I remember no such thing.
Check again. It's when Grievous is training in lightsabers with Dooku. Dooku says something like, "good, but you're holding your blade too tightly," then he knocks it out of Grievous's hand and says, "now too loosely..." then Sidious comes in and they have a pow-wow before the attack on Coruscant.
And clearly, this is incorrect. Mace Windu used the Force to Telekinetically cripple Greivous. Other Jedi regularly tossed him around in the same series using the Force. He isn't any more resistant than anyone else.
Mace Windu is the best duelist, bar-non, in the Jedi Order. He's hardly the standard marker for all the others. And yes, Grievous got hit a few times. But for the most part he dodged their force pushes without much trouble. (Like when Shak Ti, hammerhead, and the abominable snowman-guy Jedi were running down the corridor with Palpatine and he was pursuing them. They threw force waves at him and he sidestepped one after the other, until Shak Ti finally knocked him back.)
Therefore, given your example, we can only conclude that Greivous, whose willpower is at least comparable to Wolverine's
What? What on earth gives you that idea? Where are Grievous's feats of will? You're coming right out of outer space with that one. Grievous shows a good degree of mental toughness in coping with his injuries, but being a machine weakens his resistance to the force. It's the same with Wolverine, but his previous brain-washing experiences make him more susceptible to mind-control (which isn't the same as being pinned, is not a Sith ability Maul would have in the first place, and thus doesn't matter.)
and whose training in the Force is also comparable, and who was unable to resist the Force's effects, is an excellent indicator of Wolverine's resistance to such abilities. That is, he would have little to none.
Training in the force.... you mean none? Grievous had no force ability, he was just a duelist. It is not comparable at all. Why? What do you think would happen to Grievous if he got hit by the prow of a low-flying Stealth Bomber? He'd splatter. This has happened to Wolverine, and his body not only held together, he was back on his feet and fighting in minutes. What if Wolverine's stomach got crushed by the force? It'd be back in shape and working fine in seconds. Maul could hammer Wolverine with force slams (actually Maul would miss more often than not, but let's say Wolverine is a sport and stands still for him) all day, and Wolverine would still be fine.
Wolverine is no faster than Greivous, and even Greivous got slapped around by Shak Ti and other Jedi. And a TK choke isn't comparable to a Force push. It just grabs you by the throat. See Episode 3 for an example of this.
Grievous moved fast, yes, perhaps even too quick to track with the eyes. Wolverine has literally chopped the barrels off a line of machineguns, and the men holding those weapons OUT IN FRONT OF THEIR EYES never even saw him do it. I'd say they are of comparable speed.
But who do you think would win: Maul or Grievious? Hint: If you say Maul, you're wrong.
It isn't a mind trick, any more than lifting an X-Wing using the Force is a mind trick. Maul would telekinetically grab him by the windpipe, close it, and hold him there. He would hover in the air until dead. End of fight.
See, you're going off what you assume he should be capable of. I'm just going off what I've seen of both characters. If Shak Ti (A Jedi council member, and almost certainly more than a match for Maul) couldn't just hold Grievous in the air and keep his heart from beating, why do you assume Maul could do the same with Wolverine?
Logan is too fast, too in-your-face. ESPECIALLY in a bezeker rage. Far from being mindless, Bezerkerine is the equivelant of "an olympic gymanst going through his routine while simultaneously beating eight chess masters in his head." Maul would never be able to get up the concentration, he'd be too busy trying to keep his head on his shoulders.
Also, do the combatants know about each others' powers beforehand? If Maul has no idea that Wolverine's skeleton is unbreakable, he'd probably just go in for a lightsaber swipe, only to be shocked when his blade can't go all the way through Logan's neck. Wolverine capitalizes on the surprise by stabbing Maul in the chest. That would be the end of that.
Originally posted by Piedmon
Again, if it was so effortless for him, why did he only do it once? Obviously the fact that he was up against force-users makes some difference, but even so: using the force requires concentration, and you can't say concentrating in the middle of a high-speed melee is easy for anyone. If it was, the Jedi would use the force to a much greater extent than we see them do.
And why would Maul even need to engage Wolverine in melee? He would just grab and kill. Bloodlust, at the top of his game, as an opening move. End of combat.
Originally posted by Piedmon
You do realize his training on Dagobah actually took up the better part of a year? I'm aware Luke cut and ran before his trianing was complete, but even so he says with complete gravitas, "I am a Jedi Knight, like my father before me."
Originally posted by Piedmon
It could be dead equal to Vader's and it'd still be more impressive than any other Jedi of the Old Republic era.
The fact is that Maul is trained to crush opponents with the Force. You have failed to show how a choke is different from any other TK abilities, and he is clearly familiar with those. He would choke Wolverine to death.
Originally posted by Piedmon
Actually he was shown to be more of a lightsaber-user than a force-emphasizer. We never see him use the force choke, not once. Hell, if he could say, hold someone still with the force, why didn't he do it on Tatooine? It sure would have made things a lot easier for him, and since concentrating in the middle of a duel is no sweat for him, surely he should have just floated little Ani back to the scooter while holding off Qui-Gon?
Originally posted by Piedmon
I can't see him using them, since, y'know.... he never even did. And it sure would have helped a lot, wouldn't it?
Originally posted by Piedmon
And again, Luke was the son of the chosen one, and at least as high in medichlorian count. He might not have had all the training, but his raw potential pussywhipped everyone's except daddy's.
Better still, cite me where Luke's midichlorian count is even mentioned.
Originally posted by Piedmon
Check again. It's when Grievous is training in lightsabers with Dooku. Dooku says something like, "good, but you're holding your blade too tightly," then he knocks it out of Grievous's hand and says, "now too loosely..." then Sidious comes in and they have a pow-wow before the attack on Coruscant.
Dooku: "How often must I tell you? Control my central line...good."
(Dooku telekinetically throws Greivous across the training hall)
Dooku: "<Unclear what he says at first> You're holding the saber to tightly."
(Dooku disarms Greivous, and catches his weapon.)
Dooku: "Now too lightly. A new one?"
Greivous: "Your training has served me well. It has awarded me many trophies."
Dooku: "Don't let your pursuit of trinkets cloud your reality. Remember what I taught you, General. If you are to succeed in combat against the best of the Jedi, you must have fear, surprise, and intimidation on your side. For if any one element is lacking, it would be best for you to retreat. You must break them before you engage them. Only then will you have your trophy."
(Sidious appears via hologram)
Sidious: "Wise council, my apprentice. Most wise."
Dooku: "My master" (Bows)
Palpatine: "Report General, what news from the front?"
Greivous: "The strategy is working perfectly, my Lord. The Jedi and their forces are stretched thin across the Outer Rim worlds in a vain attempt to contain our new offensive."
Sidious: "Good, good. Now is the time to strike. Now is the time to launch our final operation. Is everything ready for your special mission?"
Greivous: "Yes, Lord Sidious. The unsuspecting fools know not what awaits."
Originally posted by Piedmon
Mace Windu is the best duelist, bar-non, in the Jedi Order. He's hardly the standard marker for all the others. And yes, Grievous got hit a few times. But for the most part he dodged their force pushes without much trouble. (Like when Shak Ti, hammerhead, and the abominable snowman-guy Jedi were running down the corridor with Palpatine and he was pursuing them. They threw force waves at him and he sidestepped one after the other, until Shak Ti finally knocked him back.)
Originally posted by Piedmon
What? What on earth gives you that idea? Where are Grievous's feats of will? You're coming right out of outer space with that one. Grievous shows a good degree of mental toughness in coping with his injuries, but being a machine weakens his resistance to the force. It's the same with Wolverine, but his previous brain-washing experiences make him more susceptible to mind-control (which isn't the same as being pinned, is not a Sith ability Maul would have in the first place, and thus doesn't matter.)
Originally posted by Piedmon
Training in the force.... you mean none? Grievous had no force ability, he was just a duelist.
Originally posted by Piedmon
It is not comparable at all. Why? What do you think would happen to Grievous if he got hit by the prow of a low-flying Stealth Bomber? He'd splatter.
Originally posted by Piedmon
This has happened to Wolverine, and his body not only held together, he was back on his feet and fighting in minutes. What if Wolverine's stomach got crushed by the force? It'd be back in shape and working fine in seconds. Maul could hammer Wolverine with force slams (actually Maul would miss more often than not, but let's say Wolverine is a sport and stands still for him) all day, and Wolverine would still be fine.
Originally posted by Piedmon
Grievous moved fast, yes, perhaps even too quick to track with the eyes. Wolverine has literally chopped the barrels off a line of machineguns, and the men holding those weapons OUT IN FRONT OF THEIR EYES never even saw him do it. I'd say they are of comparable speed.
But this is about Maul vs Wolverine, anyway.
Originally posted by Piedmon
See, you're going off what you assume he should be capable of. I'm just going off what I've seen of both characters. If Shak Ti (A Jedi council member, and almost certainly more than a match for Maul) couldn't just hold Grievous in the air and keep his heart from beating, why do you assume Maul could do the same with Wolverine?
Originally posted by Piedmon
Logan is too fast, too in-your-face. ESPECIALLY in a bezeker rage. Far from being mindless, Bezerkerine is the equivelant of "an olympic gymanst going through his routine while simultaneously beating eight chess masters in his head." Maul would never be able to get up the concentration, he'd be too busy trying to keep his head on his shoulders.
Originally posted by Melnorme
[B]He did it twice. How much screen time did he have? 15 minutes? And how much of that was a fight...8?
Eight minutes is forever in a fight. Most bouts between fencers last a couple SECONDS.
And why would Maul even need to engage Wolverine in melee? He would just grab and kill. Bloodlust, at the top of his game, as an opening move. End of combat.
Except he wouldn't do that. I'm with XerxesLogan, I distinctly recall reading somewhere that Maul's training focused on lightsaber dueling, not force mastery. Not that he was inept with the force, but he's hardly Jean Grey. But even if he could, I don't think he would.
Maul COULD have killed Obi Wan right when he had him hanging in that power core. Instead he just paced over him and gloated. We've seen Maul is an overconfident bastard (according to Wikipedia, he's a Zabrak, a species for whom overconfidence is a common cultural trait.) He would probably assume Wolverine was just some yokel who didn't know his place and move to engage in melee for a workout.
Potential doesn't mean much without training. Was Annakin better than Mace Windu right after he won the pod race because he had a high potential?
Luke had enough training at that point to unlock the potential on his own. Also, don't forget that he was fighting a greatly diminished Anakin Skywalker in RotJ. Vader was part machine, which weakened his force powers.
The fact is that Maul is trained to crush opponents with the Force. You have failed to show how a choke is different from any other TK abilities, and he is clearly familiar with those. He would choke Wolverine to death.
Nah. We've seen him opt for melee combat over a force-duel everytime. The guy is trained to kill with his lightsaber, not with telekenesis. He uses it as an aid in his fights, but nothing more.
What you're talking about would be as OOC for Maul as Spider-Man suddenly punching people full-strength, or Vash the Stampede shooting to kill. And when someone starts saying, "if they were written to POTENTIAL," what that really means is, "if you took away the personality and kept the powers." People are a combination of their mental and physical attributes, not just one. If someone fights stupidly, shows overconfidence, or whatever, you have to take that into account. You can't seriously say, "well Batman could just shoot them with a cruise missile from the Batwing," because he wouldn't. If he did, he wouldn't be Batman.
Now you're exaggerating to try to make your case look better, but clearly choking Wolverine would be easier than holding off two Jedi while at the same time telekinetically floating a child the length of several football fields.
Yes, you Desert Fox, you spotted my clever strategy. Unfortunately, you don't refute my point. Maul could have used the force to help himself at several junctions and didn't. Either because he couldn't, or didn't want to hardly makes a difference. The point is he DIDN'T, and he WOULDN'T in this hypothetical fight.
Except for the two times in 8 minutes that he did. 🙄
If he sticks to that ratio in this fight, then Wolverine will have finished him before he uses the force even ONCE. 😖moking:
Incorrect. There is no such mention of this. In fact, Dooku uses the Force to grab Greivous's leg in the middle of the sparring match and toss him:Dooku: "How often must I tell you? Control my central line...good."
(Dooku telekinetically throws Greivous across the training hall)
Dooku: "<Unclear what he says at first> You're holding the saber to tightly."
(Dooku disarms Greivous, and catches his weapon.)
Dooku: "Now too lightly. A new one?"
Greivous: "Your training has served me well. It has awarded me many trophies."
Dooku: "Don't let your pursuit of trinkets cloud your reality. Remember what I taught you, General. If you are to succeed in combat against the best of the Jedi, you must have fear, surprise, and intimidation on your side. For if any one element is lacking, it would be best for you to retreat. You must break them before you engage them. Only then will you have your trophy."
(Sidious appears via hologram)
Sidious: "Wise council, my apprentice. Most wise."
Dooku: "My master" (Bows)
Palpatine: "Report General, what news from the front?"
Greivous: "The strategy is working perfectly, my Lord. The Jedi and their forces are stretched thin across the Outer Rim worlds in a vain attempt to contain our new offensive."
Sidious: "Good, good. Now is the time to strike. Now is the time to launch our final operation. Is everything ready for your special mission?"
Greivous: "Yes, Lord Sidious. The unsuspecting fools know not what awaits."Again, your recollection is a bit flawed. He got tossed around by the Force plenty. In any case, Sidious's willpower didn't protect him from the Force. To pretend that he was in any way immune is just wishful thinking. Neither will Wolverine's protect him from being choked to death.
Alright, fair enough. I can't prove that it's sheer willpower that resists telekenesis. Being a machine might make little to no difference. But explain to me then why Obi-Wan opts to brawl with Jango Fett on Camino rather than just hold him in place? Since he had surpassed Maul by that point, and Jango must have no force-resistance, explain to me what about just pinning the guy was beyond Obi-Wan's ability?
Being a machine doesn't weaken his resistance to the Force. Where is your source on that? Greivous was a General who lead merciless campaigns, was burned nearly to death and put back together...to call him steadfast would be an understatement. What are Wolverine's great feats of will?
-Wolverine had to shake off Psi-Bot's illusory influence to save his g/f Silver Fox (he was just a moment too late, but it's still resisting mind control.)
-When he fought SHIVA, the robot used a psionic attack on Wolverine that made him recall with absolute clarity the pain of every injury--physical AND psychological--that he had ever suffered. Wolverine walked right up to SHIVA while enduring this incomprehensible amount of pain and whacked the robot's head off.
-When he was infected with a Brood Egg, Wolverine resisted the physiological transformation into a Brood Drone. His healing factor enabled him to do it, but it was through will-power that he did it at all.
-Wolverine has been gutted, sliced up, burned alive, and just gone "alright w/e." It's not because he's invulnerable, it's because he keeps himself going through sheer willpower.
-Wolverine was willing to sacrifice himself to stay with Elsee-Dee, a little girl android who had moments ago been trying to KILL him. Unless she could rewrite her own programming in the next minute, she was going to detonate. But Logan refused to give up on her, and stayed with her right up until the end. THAT'S willpower.
What does Grievous being a General have to do with his willpower? Being able to strategize doesn't necessarily require a strong will. It's not like Darth Sidious sat all the candidates down in a room, and put a slice of delicious cake across from them, and whoever was the last to give in and eat the sweet pastry would command the Droid Army.
He's prone to berserker rages at the drop of a hat. Doesn't seem to strong willed to me. In fact, I'd say given Greivous's cool, calculated, ruthless style (see Episode 3) his willpower is even greater than Wolverine's...but I was trying to be generous.
Right, and that shows you've got more than a few inacurrate assumptions about Wolverine yourself. He looks like he's absolutely feral when he fights, but hell, when your weapons are a big set of freaking claws, it will ALWAYS look like you're going bezerk when you fight.
Wolverine goes into his bezerker rages very rarely. When was the last time he did it? It wasn't at any point in House of M. He never did it in any of his New Avengers appearances. (He swore a lot at Jessica Drew, but that's not the same thing.) The last time he did it was when he fought The Gorgon at the end of Enemy of the State/Agent of SHIELD.
Again, check out that all important quote, from Professor X himself (who ought to know.) Wolverine's brain functions actually INCREASE when he is in a bezerker rage. He is constantly calculating and developing complex routines to coordinate the slashes and stabs. It is "the equivelant of an olympic gymnast going through his routine while simultaneously defeating eight world-class chess masters in his head!" Remember, Wolverine was going full-on bezerker against The Gorgon and still had the presence of mind to turn the bastard's own attack back on him. (He used the reflectiveness in his claws so that the Gorgon's petrifying gaze petrified the Gorgon.)
Probably not. Given the yields of Star Wars weapons, and their relative material strengths, I think Greivous would laugh it off.
Howsabout full-strength punches from The Hulk or Colossus? I seriously doubt Grievous would be laughing those off. And he sure as hell wouldn't jump right back onto his feet and cry, "you just made me mad! And baby, the Wolverine LIKES to get mad!"
Maybe. Greivous regularly beats Jedi, though...that's more impressive than beating some rent-a-thugs, given that even a low-level Jedi has precog and reflexes sufficient to energy weapon attacks.
Wolverine is able to stay just a hair behind Spider-Man, who has precog AND superhuman reflexes (Maul only has precog). He also beats Elektra and Daredevil, two humans with precognitively enhanced reflexes.
But this is about Maul vs Wolverine, anyway.
Stack Maul's 15 minutes of screentime and his scattered comic book appearances vs the feats you'd find along Wolverine's whole comic book career. Who do you think is going to come out looking more impressive?
Because that's the Dark Side. Jedi don't do that.
Alright, why not JUST the pinning? For that matter, why not rip the lightsabers out of Grievous's hands? Disarmament and restraining techniques hardly sound too violent for the Jedi Way. And bear in mind, I'm asking this about a Jedi Councilwoman who is much more skilled than Maul was.
All wrong. Maul could beat him telekinetically. He could beat him with a lightsaber. This isn't a contest. Deal.
You still haven't shown any proof that Maul's telekenetic abilities are better than teenaged Jean Grey in the 60's. Maybe you just missed the part where I asserted that Wolverine was more skilled as a melee fighter, but I've been wondering why you haven't tried to refute that. Your argument basically rests on Maul not only having a degree of Force Mastery we've never seen from him, it also requires him to act out of character.
Originally posted by braz
Maul would pwn wolverines ass get over it....a lightsaber can go through a 3 foot thick wall of solid metal what makes u think it wont cut through admantium like butter too?
lol ur funny. u use because a light sbaer can go through metal which wolverines claws easiliy go through that it can cut adamtium ur a funyn eprson.
Originally posted by braz
Maul would pwn wolverines ass get over it....a lightsaber can go through a 3 foot thick wall of solid metal what makes u think it wont cut through admantium like butter too?
Adamantium can be taken right up against the FREAKING SUN and nothing happens to it. Superman can't break it. Hulk, maxing out and giving it everything he can, can BEND it.
Ultron's Adamantium Body shrugs off Thor's hammer and Iron Man's strongest blast. Captain America's plasma-staff couldn't penetrate adamantium any more than a wooden sword could.
No way in HELL is a lightsaber cutting adamantium.
Originally posted by Piedmon
Adamantium can be taken right up against the FREAKING SUN and nothing happens to it. Superman can't break it. Hulk, maxing out and giving it everything he can, can BEND it.Ultron's Adamantium Body shrugs off Thor's hammer and Iron Man's strongest blast. Captain America's plasma-staff couldn't penetrate adamantium any more than a wooden sword could.
No way in HELL is a lightsaber cutting adamantium.
actauly hulk maxing out was only able to bend grade B admatium wolverien has primary admatium which is far stornger and is actauly unbreable ecpt on a molculer level.
Originally posted by wolverine8888
actauly hulk maxing out was only able to bend grade B admatium wolverien has primary admatium which is far stornger and is actauly unbreable ecpt on a molculer level.
Hulk bent secondary adamandium. Wolverine bones are neither true adamantium or secondary, the bonding process works on the molecular level and changed the true adamantium into beta adamantium.