Saw

Started by BackFire7 pages

....I hate the TCM remake.

Anyways, here's what I wrote for my review of this film in the other thread.

"Sorry everyone, but bluntly, this movie was bad. It was sloppy, generic, predictable, and obviously amatuerish. It's no surprise that this film was the first from James Wan, it shows.

I'll go ahead and just skip the plot, simply read C-Dics summary of it if you don't already the plot. But I will say this, the story is not unlike the plot in Phone Booth. A bitter crazy guy wants his victims to apreciate life and blah blah blah. So, using very questionable logic, he tortures these people usually to death in order to get them to apreciate life.

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The biggest problem of this film was the simple stupidity of pretty much all of the characters. They were all stupid to the point of being mentally handicaped. Danny Glover and his partner are a perfect example of this. [SPOILER - highlight to read]: In the middle of the film when they had the chance to capture the guy immediately after seeing him walk into the room which they had snuck into after figuring out where he was hiding. Instead, they sat and watched him for about 10 seconds, letting him get situated and get near the man he had captured. Then when the guy turned on his drill of death, they ****ed around with him, asking him to turn it off, rather then just immediately shooting the machine to shut it down. It took these cops about 30 seconds to figure out that they should shoot the machine. By then it was too late and Danny Glover got his neck sliced by some hidden knife the bad guy had concealed that sprang out of teh arm of his jacket, not unlike the gun from Taxi Driver.

Something else really dumb is that the bad guy (who is a god damn dying old man who in the end could barely walk) becomes superman when he attacks someone, moving faster and seemingly with more force then anyone else on the earth can contend with. He even managed to ambush Adam, when Adam knew where he was. Another example of using stupid character as an excuse for the success of the villian, something a lot of bad and sloppy movies do.

Another typical amatuerish move was to have the bad guy win at the end. I'm so sick of movies taking the easy way of leaving the audience in a sense of unsatisfaction and frusturation by simply having the bad guy win. A good movie will find a way to have the story feel unfair while still beign satisfying (for a good example of this, watch Se7en. The bad guy dies AND the movie still leaves us frusturated, but not cheated, as this movie does.

One last gripe, the "twist" at the end was really dumb. "oooooh, the dead body in the middle of the room is actually the killer." yeah, way to pull a cheasy gimmick twist out of your ass.

Okay, now to the positives. The movie had a good, grainy and dark feeling to it. Very atmospheric. Some good sets and props. Nifty, little wierd torture devices. That's about all of the positives.

Over all, this movie was very poor, and used the easiest device of leaving the audience frustruated, and unsatisfied, and ultimately, cheated. If you want a good psychological movie, watch Se7en, or Audition. Don't bother with this generic and pretentious movie.

I'll give it 4 our of 10."

I liked this movie! 😱 thought it was pretty good

could have done with out Carey Ewles (sp?) because when I see him I just think of the guy from Princes Bride - and that woosy guy could never saw off his foot ... 😬

Ha ha ha...I agree with pretty much all of your review, but I still thought it was good!

I saw more of a resemblance to 'The Cube' than 'Phone Booth' though...

AS for Se7en, I got no satisfaction from seeing John Doe die. I thought they were both very similar in style and content, but of course Se7en walks away as the winner. Freeman, Pitt and Spacey Vs Glover, Cary Elwes(!?) and Mr.Nobody...the winner is clear to see.

Hmm..interesting perspective with the cube, now that I think about it it does have some in common with that. Never realized it before.

And I didnt really mean you were satisfied by john doe dying, just the ending in general left me feeling satisfied AND frusturated. Whereas the ending of saw tried a bit too hard to pull the rug out from under the audience, and ended up leaving me feeling a bit cheated. I think the ending to Se7en is probably the best pure "shocker" ending I've ever seen. It's unpredictable, incredibly complex, smart and leaves you feeling helpless, frusturated and kinda upset, but satisfied as a whole.

I didn't really HATE Saw, it had it's moments, and I did enjoy the way it was filmed, had a good atmosphere. But the characters and twist just disapointed me.

Originally posted by BackFire
And I didnt really mean you were satisfied by john doe dying, just the ending in general left me feeling satisfied AND frusturated. Whereas the ending of saw tried a bit too hard to pull the rug out from under the audience, and ended up leaving me feeling a bit cheated. I think the ending to Se7en is probably the best pure "shocker" ending I've ever seen. It's unpredictable, incredibly complex, smart and leaves you feeling helpless, frusturated and kinda upset, but satisfied as a whole.

The ending of Se7en was simply stunning. I can't describe how I felt any more than that...simply stunned! The ending of Saw was a surprise that I welcomed as I really didn't want it to be the other guy...the whole time I kept thinking "He seems so lacking in gravitas and just seems inconsequential"...still, I didn't twig about the twist. I didn't feel cheated, just surprised and ultimately rather content with it.

I think as a first outing as a directing pair they did really well creating an atmostphere with some nice visual trickery thrown in...it bodes well for their future...however, look what (didn't) happen to that Blair Witch pair...

Yeah, I pretty much knew it wasn't the original culprit. I knew there would be some surprise ending, there always is these days in psychological thrillers. And I think that's the problem. Every thriller that comes out seems to think that it MUST have a surprise ending. So they throw one on and they usually tend to become tiresome, predictable and silly. I'm just a bit tired of surprise endings really, they all seem so forced now.

I'll give saw credit, I didn't guess the ending in particular, it did kinda catch me off guard, which is something that is pretty difficult to do these days.

why is Seven so stunning at the end... is it because of the intensity of wondering what was in the box ??? and knowing Gweneth P. head was in there???

No, it's just mind boggling and complex. Not just "oOoOh, Morgan Freeman is the killer!! DIDN'T SEE THAT COMING!!". It actually took thought and intelegence to come up with.

Morgan Freeman wasnt the killer??

Yes, but that's an example of the type of crap most thrillers pass off as a "surprise ending" these days.

Originally posted by Morning_Glory
why is Seven so stunning at the end... is it because of the intensity of wondering what was in the box ??? and knowing Gweneth P. head was in there???

Just because you don't expect something so dark and uncomprimising from a movie starring Morgan, Brad and Kevin...

I expect something dark and uncompromising (movie) to come from Kevin S.

Originally posted by Morning_Glory
I expect something dark and uncompromising (movie) to come from Kevin S.

What, like K-Pax? Arghahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Originally posted by Ou Be Low hoo
What about the whole
Spoiler:
sawing off the foot scene
!?!?!?!?!?!

What about the whole

Spoiler:
issue with Cary Elwes' pant leg being tailored longer than the other to hide his UN-severed foot
scene!?!?!?

I wish he had sawed off his lips instead, so we wouldn't have to listen to his trite "I'm dying..help me.." routine.

Here's my review, by the way:


"Saw" is a twisted story of appreciation. Dr. Larry Gordon (Elwes) has it all. A career as a prominent doctor, a beautiful wife and daughter, and something we all take for granted, our health. Enter "Jigsaw." A man who knows of the good doctors dirty little secret, and feels it's his responsibility to teach him, like he had many others, how to appreciate what they have. Catapulted into the most extreme situation, being isolation with little chance of escape, Gordon and Adam are confined to an a filth ridden, decaying bathroom of sorts, pinned deep below the city streets. The game is survival and the reward is both their lives, and a sense of gratitude.

To me, the biggest flaw in "Saw" is the casting. Elwes portrayal of desperation was amateur, and almost comical in the way he overacted the extreme mood swings his character under gone. From pushy know-it-all doctor, to overtly effeminate "man in distress," he did nothing to drive home the imminent danger of the dire straits he and the mousy Adam were placed in. Danny Glover seemed as if he were on autopilot, going through the motions with his contrived lines.

The "Se7en" similarities are few and far between. There are some visually appealing pieces, involving obscure torture devices and the like, but those too are virtually ruined by seizuring camera work, obscure angles, and a distorted, deafening soundtrack. "Saw" could only dream of achieving the level of sheer uneasyness and provocative visual mayhem as it's far superior counterpart.

To the film's credit, the story was fresh, original, and indeed well written. It's problems lied in execution, and failure to deliver a true sense of urgency. The closing moments did provide some honest scenes of high tension. Unfortunately, the feature took a swan dive directly into a cliched scene of female aggression, lifted directly of an Ashley Judd thriller. Coupled with mindnumbing, rapid fire plot twists, Elwes' Razzie worhty incoherent stuttering, and a hint of Michael Douglas' "The Game", "Saw" tied up it's loose ends so to speak in record time.

One thing that has always bugged me about Se7en is:

What the hell does a "7" have to do with a letter "V" ????????

"V" is a roman numeral, but that would be 5.

Nobody knows? I guess you could turn the "7" sideways to make a deranged-looking "V," but that would be dumb.

It wasnt on a par with Se7en but it was good and I think deserves more than four out of ten, maybe 6 out of ten.

I liked the way it was filmed, and I enjoyed the freaky puppet and the methods of killing,quite original,

Also the fact that I didnt expect the killer to be who it was and i did like the way it was revealed, gave me chills, and also I was annoyed as i had completely given no thought to that guy.

Normally I can work out what is going to happen in a film but this fooled me, Bas#tards!!!

Originally posted by botankus
Nobody knows? I guess you could turn the "7" sideways to make a deranged-looking "V," but that would be dumb.

I guess it's 'dumb' then...

Cinemaddiction - I noticed that too...I kept trying to get a peak at the ol'

Spoiler:
severed leg/foot
, but all I could see was a strangely long
Spoiler:
trouser leg
!

There are just some films where an implication just won't suffice, especially when you want the actors to endure a little physical discomfort, even if it's for your pleasure. Besides, that's what entertainers are for. To entertain.

Saw away, good doctor. Saw away.

Here's what it would look like for some movies if they tried to be cute with the whole number substitution thing:

Ni9e to Five
8ight Men Out
Sixt16n Candles
Friday the Thi13eenth
Twe12e Monkeys
The Whole N9ne Yards
Close Encounters of the Th3rd Kind
Air Force 1ne
Thr3e to Tango

And my favorite, which actually is a REAL movie: Murd3r by Num8ers (with a backwards three).