Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Dooku was very powerful. When he left the order he was second only to Yoda. I think this is because Mace was still training and Mace has gotten stronger at a faster rate than Dooku. Mace wins.
I remember this. No one ever did prove how or why Mace would grow rapidly in ten to thirteen years to overcome a lightsaber and jedi master and Dooku would somehow not. And considering that Dooku is pretty uber with a lightsaber and certainly appears much better in-movie, I never did follow this line of thought. I believe Dooku trounces Mace.
Originally posted by Deus Ex
I remember this. No one ever did prove how or why Mace would grow rapidly in ten to thirteen years to overcome a lightsaber and jedi master and Dooku would somehow not. And considering that Dooku is pretty uber with a lightsaber and certainly appears much better in-movie, I never did follow this line of thought. I believe Dooku trounces Mace.
Dooku had already mastered Makashi while Mace was still learning Vapaad. Mace would therefor have a greater amount ot learn and thus advance faster.
Originally posted by SorgoI love how people mention the fact that Mace apparently gained this horseload of Experience of "fighting" throughout the years from their fight, but one of the only Lightsaber fights he had was with Sidious? Let us begin: AOTC, he kills a shitload of droids and decapitates a Bounty Hunter. In the CW cartoons, he lands on top of ship and disables a couple, he then kills more droids. The books: He has a few training fights with his pupils and then gets into two or three fights that last less than a few seconds for the fact that the are not going all out on each other. Now, over the years, Mace has been the only one sword training and has an overall margin of some superior power that he suddenly gained from a few years.
By the end of TPM, Dooku had swayed over to the Dark side, where he had learned a newer technique of the Force, which can prove to be a far more devastating power than the Light side (Proven when the Jedi basically get f*cked over on ROTS and the Dark side virtually wins, besides Anakin getting his shizzle all fizzled). Dooku has been able to fully administer and unleash the raw power of his form my applying emotion and infuriation. He has also had an Experience Margin in his older age. I can imagine all the Dark side Practice he had to go through for people to argue that he was better than Sidious. He would have had to train damn hard to already have such a dangerous and powerful knowledge of usage of the force, correct? Well, maybe he ALSO gained a grand canyon full of experience while Mace did. I am sure he didn't sit around in an office not practicing, or he wouldn't be as good as he is.
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Only fought with Sidious?He fought Grevious, Depa, Asajj, Quinlan, Sora(I think). Those are just the ones that immediatly come to mind.
The Jedi he fought were holding back on him and he was holding back on them. He didn't even fight Grevious, he crushed his lungs.