Does God have a right to judge us?

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
To assert that the last recorded acts of a group of Sodomites is proof that Sodom and Gomorra were destroyed for homosexuality is equivocal to asserting that a condemned man cursing his guards on the way to his execution is being executed for cursing the guards; Sodom and Gomorra were planned for destruction long before the mob converged on the home of Lot and demanded to rape his guests.

Homosexuality is not cited [b]anywhere in Genesis 19 as a cause of the destruction of the two cities. In fact, the reason God destroys Sodom and Gomorra is stated clearly in Ezekiel 16:49-50.

"Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had arrogance, abundant food and careless ease, but she did not help the poor and needy.

Thus they were haughty before Me and I removed them when I saw it."

Furthermore, the sex of the angels is irrelevant; Had the angels been female, it would not suddenly be acceptable to rape them.

Once again, a Christian demonstrates a brilliant understanding of his own holy book. Rest assured that you have created God in your own image when he hates all the same people you do. 🙄 [/B]

If you are going to be an arrogant, condescending prick, why don't you at least be an arrogant, condescending prick who can comprehend the original post?

Or, if you are going to misread, you could at least have the common courtesy NOT to be a dink.

(P.S. I wouldn't care if San Francisco died.)

FeceMan, breathe. Control yourself. There is no reason to go off on this ill-christian act. There are better ways of getting your thought across, discover and practise these ways.

Originally posted by FeceMan
And, Adam, once again you demonstrate a brilliant understanding of the post that I made in reference to [b]the presence (or lack thereof) of infants.

If you are going to be an arrogant, condescending prick, why don't you at least be an arrogant, condescending prick who can comprehend the original post?

Or, if you are going to misread, you could at least have the common courtesy NOT to be a dink.

(P.S. I wouldn't care if San Francisco died.) [/B]

I fully comprehend the original post. Apparently, it is you who does not.

The original post was by finti who questioned how an omnibenevolent God could destroy all the infants in Sodom and Gomorra:

Originally posted by finti
Of course they dont say anything about infants tthat would make your god cruel and we have to avoid that wont we.........some, it is two cities in question so the number of infants would be more than some, and that lame flood story how many infants do you think there were beside some.

In your response, you indicate that Sodom and Gomorra were destroyed because of homosexuality:

Originally posted by FeceMan
Since most, if not all, the males in the city were homosexual, I don't think there was much to worry about.

I simply corrected you.

Furthermore, understanding The Bible and the conversation better than you does not make me "an arrogant, condescending prick".

But you ending your post with "I wouldn't care if San Francisco died," certainly makes you befitting of your user name; that of a festering pile of human excrement.

Once again, you have demonstrated a wonderful Christian attitude, bravo.

Sorry if this reply is a little off, I just skimmed through the current argument. You must understand that despite it seems cruel when someone dies...it's not in the eyes of god if they just die like that, quick and easy....enough. Because, then the non sinners (innocent babies) go to heaven I suppose, hence they would be happy and free from the sin and horrible lives they had a chance of leading. So really it's like sending your kid off to boarding school, then shutting the school down do to rats and taking you kid back in...well, bad example, but I think you'll understand my point. Despite this, I wish to ask, no beg for and "Sharp" comments on such subjects to please be held, it causes something further than a debate, but this debating issue. Please, adults or not, try to act like one. I'm not staff so I can't control anyone, I'm just asking this as one gentleman to another. 😉

Oh, and I'd like to add, what Fece was getting at was that there probably weren't many children there anyway, since there WAS homosexuality. Not that it was the reason or rather the only reason the city was destroyed. So this is simply a result of misinterpretation and once more I'll ask you to think before you reply...and..no offense! 😄

Originally posted by God Puppet
Oh, and I'd like to add, what Fece was getting at was that there probably weren't many children there anyway, since there WAS homosexuality. Not that it was the reason or rather the only reason the city was destroyed. So this is simply a result of misinterpretation and once more I'll ask you to think before you reply...and..no offense! 😄

Let us examine the quote in question, "Since most, if not all, the males in the city were homosexual, I don't think there was much to worry about."

There are no modifiers in this sentence to indicate whether the subject is "infants" or the "cause" of the destruction of the two cities.

If the subject is in fact "infants," the term "many," a pronoun describing a "number of persons," should have been used.

Instead the term "much," an adjective describing "degree or extent," is used. This implies that the subject is indeed "cause."

His subsequent statement, "I wouldn't care if San Francisco died," also seems to corroborate this.

Perhaps if his post was more clear, others would interpret it correctly. I do not know about you, but I left my crystal ball at home today and cannot read minds.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
I fully comprehend the original post. Apparently, it is you who does not.

The original post was by finti who questioned how an omnibenevolent God could destroy all the infants in Sodom and Gomorrah:

In your response, you indicate that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because of homosexuality:

I simply corrected you.

Furthermore, understanding The Bible and the conversation better than you does not make me "an arrogant, condescending prick".

But you ending your post with "I wouldn't care if San Francisco died," certainly makes you befitting of your user name; that of a festering pile of human excrement.

Once again, you have demonstrated a wonderful Christian attitude, bravo.

2. Your phrasing of your post is in the manner of an arrogant, condescending prick. Thus, I said that you were being one. The entire post you made has an air of contempt.

3. The San Francisco thing was a joke, though I would not be distraught if it or any other city--with or without a large homosexual population--were suddenly wiped off the Earth. It would not bother me; oh, noes, I am a horrible person. But I'll bet that most people would have a similar reaction.

4. I suppose that if I were to say, "Once again, you have demonstrated the pompous attitude of a extreme left-wing homosexual, bravo," I would be crucified where I stand. But, hey, screw the Christians. We don't deserve shit.

Originally posted by FeceMan
1. Actually, if one reads my post correctly, I never implied that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because of homosexuality. God Puppet is absolutely correct; I cannot help it if you are unable to see the quoted text and make a correct assumption. Also, if I were to have meant a not-so-nice thing with my post--"Since most, if not all, the males in the city were homosexual, I don't think there was much to worry about"--all I would be saying was that I wouldn't care if the city was killed because of all the homosexuals. Never do I mention the reason for God's judgment.

2. Your phrasing of your post is in the manner of an arrogant, condescending prick. Thus, I said that you were being one. The entire post you made has an air of contempt.

3. The San Francisco thing was a joke, though I would not be distraught if it or any other city--with or without a large homosexual population--were suddenly wiped off the Earth. It would not bother me; oh, noes, I am a horrible person. But I'll bet that most people would have a similar reaction.

4. I suppose that if I were to say, "Once again, you have demonstrated the pompous attitude of a extreme left-wing homosexual, bravo," I would be crucified where I stand. But, hey, screw the Christians. We don't deserve shit.

[list=1][*]I cannot help it if you are unable to formulate a sentence using the appropriate modifiers and pronouns. If you want people to make the correct assumptions about the meanings of your posts, try identifying the subject and making the correct word choices.

Clearly, you did mean something "not-so-nice" by the post, "Since most, if not all, the males in the city were homosexual, I don't think there was much to worry about," as evidence by your subsequent posts, "I wouldn't care if San Francisco died," and, "The San Francisco thing was a joke, though I would not be distraught if it or any other city--with or without a large homosexual population--were suddenly wiped off the Earth."

[*]It certainly takes one to know one, doesn't it? I may word my posts "in the manner of an arrogant, condescending prick" but you are one, and a hypocrite to boot.

[*]Others having a similar reaction certainly does not justify yours, it just puts you in the same pathetic category.

[*]Is it time to play the "poor, persecuted Christian" already? Let me get my violin.[/list]

Look, I'm trying to put this nicely, and simply. The post clearly stated what he meant. In english, and since not all of us pull out the dictionary everytime we read or write a sentence, it MAY have not been perfectly grammatically correct...though, I don't see how not...

Oh, and two, despite christians are supposed to be loving, I can see where one would be coming from when they would make such a comment as: "I wouldn't care if San Francisco died," and, "The San Francisco thing was a joke, though I would not be distraught if it or any other city--with or without a large homosexual population--were suddenly wiped off the Earth." As one can get frustrated with the stubborness of people and sinners. Christians are still humans, but we try to better ourselves for god. (YES for GOD, not for you, so it really and truly doesn't matter if you believe we're being christian or not) There's so much sin in the world many christians and perhaps some muslims, catholics and Jews would rather see it destroyed than become more corrupt. As will happen sooner or later: see: Revalations

Just wanted to say that...good DAY to you sir! 😛

Actually, if one reads my post correctly, I never implied that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because of homosexuality

I can see where one would be coming from when they would make such a comment as: "I wouldn't care if San Francisco died," and, "The San Francisco thing was a joke, though As one can get frustrated with the stubborness of people

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Originally posted by Adam_PoE
[list=1][*]I cannot help it if you are unable to formulate a sentence using the appropriate modifiers and pronouns. If you want people to make the correct assumptions about the meanings of your posts, try identifying the subject and making the correct word choices.

Clearly, you did mean something "not-so-nice" by the post, "Since most, if not all, the males in the city were homosexual, I don't think there was much to worry about," as evidence by your subsequent posts, "I wouldn't care if San Francisco died," and, "The San Francisco thing was a joke, though I would not be distraught if it or any other city--with or without a large homosexual population--were suddenly wiped off the Earth."

[*]It certainly takes one to know one, doesn't it? I may word my posts "in the manner of an arrogant, condescending prick" but you are one, and a hypocrite to boot.

[*]Others having a similar reaction certainly does not justify yours, it just puts you in the same pathetic category.

[*]Is it time to play the "poor, persecuted Christian" already? Let me get my violin.[/list]

1. I cannot help it if you are unable to follow posting as though it is a conversation; he made a point, I rebutted it. Seems that most others understood my intent.

2. Hardly. My replies are neither arrogant nor condescending. If one is to believe that they are, simply look at the post to which I am replying; you'll find that, at the worst, my post is merely an echo of the other.

3. You're right. It doesn't.

4. Well, since we get treated like shit, especially by persons such as yourself, I think I WILL play the card. You seem to have no problem playing the "you're not acting like a Christian" card, all the while sneering at my beliefs, so I don't see anything wrong about it.

And for all of you saying that it is not the "Christian attitude" not to care if people die...well, stop talking and think. I never said that I would be glad if people were to die. I said it would not bother me. And do you know why? Because they are all not connected to me in the least. They have no ties to me; they could be dead right now and I would not know.

I shall not fake emotion where there is none. I am not a very empathic or sympathetic person. I can listen and offer advice, but I cannot feel what others feel. It is sad, yes. It is a tragedy, the mass loss of human life. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were both horrible events (or shall I clarify myself to avoid confusion, since I don't specifically mention the atom bomb?), but I shall not shed any tears over the Japanese who died.

Lack of emotion is hard-wired into my genetics just as homosexuality is into yours. And that's not a dig at you. That is a fact.

Hmm...it is annoying when a non-christian tries to tell a christian they're not "acting" christian. It's the classic, christians must be perfect syndrom. Hmm..for the record, we're just as human as you!!! We have emotions, (lack of emotions),and everything else. Just as everyone is born into sin...except Jesus...who was born...from a virgin...but either way, a non christian has no right to say such things and by doing so...well...it just doesn't make sense....umm...yeah, thought I'd say that.... 😉

Originally posted by FeceMan
1. I cannot help it if you are unable to follow posting as though it is a conversation; he made a point, I rebutted it. Seems that most others understood my intent.

2. Hardly. My replies are neither arrogant nor condescending. If one is to believe that they are, simply look at the post to which I am replying; you'll find that, at the worst, my post is merely an echo of the other.

3. You're right. It doesn't.

4. Well, since we get treated like shit, especially by persons such as yourself, I think I WILL play the card. You seem to have no problem playing the "you're not acting like a Christian" card, all the while sneering at my beliefs, so I don't see anything wrong about it.

And for all of you saying that it is not the "Christian attitude" not to care if people die...well, stop talking and think. I never said that I would be glad if people were to die. I said it would not bother me. And do you know why? Because they are all not connected to me in the least. They have no ties to me; they could be dead right now and I would not know.

I shall not fake emotion where there is none. I am not a very empathic or sympathetic person. I can listen and offer advice, but I cannot feel what others feel. It is sad, yes. It is a tragedy, the mass loss of human life. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were both horrible events (or shall I clarify myself to avoid confusion, since I don't specifically mention the atom bomb?), but I shall not shed any tears over the Japanese who died.

Lack of emotion is hard-wired into my genetics just as homosexuality is into yours. And that's not a dig at you. That is a fact.

[list=1][*]It would seem you cannot help a number of things.

If the fact that "most others" seem to have understood the intent of your post, somehow proves that it was worded clearly, then the fact that "most others" seem to think that you have not demonstrated a Christian attitude in your posts, somehow proves that you have not.

[*]If you are "echoing" the attitude of a post that is arrogant and condescending, then it follows from this that your post is also arrogant and condescending. The fact that you are complaining about such posts and then responding to them in the same manner, makes you a hypocrite.

[*]...

[*]I do not have to hold your belief system in esteem to be able to point out that you are not following it faithfully. If you feel that you are being treated poorly, perhaps you should "do unto others as you would have them do unto you."[/list]

As far as your lack of empathy is concerned, apathy is as profane as hatred. This is certainly not the attitude of a Christian who is supposed to "love your neighbor as yourself".

Originally posted by God Puppet
Hmm...it is annoying when a non-christian tries to tell a christian they're not "acting" christian. It's the classic, christians must be perfect syndrom. Hmm..for the record, we're just as human as you!!! We have emotions, (lack of emotions),and everything else. Just as everyone is born into sin...except Jesus...who was born...from a virgin...but either way, a non christian has no right to say such things and by doing so...well...it just doesn't make sense....umm...yeah, thought I'd say that.... 😉

I have every right to point out inconsistency when I see it, Christian or not. The problem with your position is that you assume I have always been a non-Christian and therefore, cannot speak with authority on how a Christian should act.

No, I'm saying until you ACT thew way a christian SHOULd act, than keep it to yourself. Practice what you preach pal. If you think you're so perfect that is. Really, I'm just saying, we're human, I can't help it if you have some wierd thought in mind that we're god himself. But atleast we don't accept, no no, EMBRACE sin, EMBRACE hell. 😠 Now, if you'll excuse me... 😉

Originally posted by God Puppet
No, I'm saying until you ACT thew way a christian SHOULd act, than keep it to yourself. Practice what you preach pal. If you think you're so perfect that is. Really, I'm just saying, we're human, I can't help it if you have some wierd thought in mind that we're god himself. But atleast we don't accept, no no, EMBRACE sin, EMBRACE hell. 😠 Now, if you'll excuse me... 😉

I do not subscribe to your belief system so I do not have to act in accordance with it. Incidentally, acting like the Christian you claim to be is exactly the point I was making in my previous post. When you can embrace the behavior and not just the ideology of the belief system you follow, feel free to return from the huff you left in.

Originally posted by God Puppet
No, I'm saying until you ACT thew way a christian SHOULd act, than keep it to yourself. Practice what you preach pal. If you think you're so perfect that is. Really, I'm just saying, we're human, I can't help it if you have some wierd thought in mind that we're god himself. But atleast we don't accept, no no, EMBRACE sin, EMBRACE hell. 😠 Now, if you'll excuse me... 😉

Explain to me how a christian should act?

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
[list=1][*]It would seem you cannot help a number of things.

If the fact that "most others" seem to have understood the intent of your post, somehow proves that it was worded clearly, then the fact that "most others" seem to think that you have not demonstrated a Christian attitude in your posts, somehow proves that you have not.

[*]If you are "echoing" the attitude of a post that is arrogant and condescending, then it follows from this that your post is also arrogant and condescending. The fact that you are complaining about such posts and then responding to them in the same manner, makes you a hypocrite.

[*]...

[*]I do not have to hold your belief system in esteem to be able to point out that you are not following it faithfully. If you feel that you are being treated poorly, perhaps you should "do unto others as you would have them do unto you."[/list]

As far as your lack of empathy is concerned, apathy is as profane as hatred. This is certainly not the attitude of a Christian who is supposed to "love your neighbor as yourself".

2. My posts, as a norm, are neither arrogant nor condescending. Yours, however, are.

3. "..." Indeed.

4. How am I not following it faithfully? Because I said I would not care if a great number of people died? It would be sad, but why would I care? How would that disrupt my life in any way? Sure, that's selfish, but if I were to concentrate solely on everyone else's life, I would be weeping from birth 'til death. "Apathy is as profane as hatred" is a completely subjective statement. Perhaps the murder of unborn children is as profane as hatred?

I do my best to follow my faith. I'll admit that my "best" is not that great at times. Still, I attempt to follow my faith as rigorously as possible.

Hmm...it is annoying when a non-christian tries to tell a christian they're not "acting" christian. It's the classic, christians must be perfect syndrom

Originally posted by finti
actually thats christians own doing taking what the christian doctrine really is about, and about annoying. Whats annoying is that christians preach their stuff yet they themselves seems to forget what they preached about faster than those who doesnt share that ideology

In high school, my friends were in a band. As such, they spent a lot of their time in crappy underground teenage clubs, playing their mind numbingpunk rock. I always wore suits in high school, so one night when we ran into some Jehovahs Witness', they thought I was one of them due to the black suit. When they found out I wasn't, they began preaching. Everyone else just shot them the bird and walked off. Me, being the same person I am today, I stood there and argued with them. A man and his teenage son. The son never said one word. His father was a totally different story. He and I argued for over two hours, until he just grabbed his son by the wrist and walked away. No one ever saw them at that club again.

Originally posted by FeceMan
1. Right back at you.

2. My posts, as a norm, are neither arrogant nor condescending. Yours, however, are.

3. "..." Indeed.

4. How am I not following it faithfully? Because I said I would not care if a great number of people died? It would be sad, but why would I care? How would that disrupt my life in any way? Sure, that's selfish, but if I were to concentrate solely on everyone else's life, I would be weeping from birth 'til death. "Apathy is as profane as hatred" is a completely subjective statement. Perhaps the murder of unborn children is as profane as hatred?

I do my best to follow my faith. I'll admit that my "best" is not that great at times. Still, I attempt to follow my faith as rigorously as possible.

[list=1][*]Congratulations on a retort rivaled in eloquence only by "I'm rubber, you're glue."

[*]Do not conflate the issue; it is not about the typical tone of the posts of anyone. Rather, it is about specific posts in which you complain about the tone used by others and then respond to them in the same manner.

[*]Yes, "...," indeed. Considering that you agreed with me on the issue, there certainly was no need to qualify it with a response.

[*]faith·ful adj. Adhering firmly; Consistent.

You tell me, is the behavior you have demonstrated in this thread representative of firm adherence to your belief system, or in any way consistent?[/list]

Your "'best' is not that great at times"? That is an understatement. Do not attempt to follow you faith as rigorously as possible; Either "do or do not, there is no try."