Originally posted by debbiejo
Now if we have a spirit and that spirit is from God. Then God gave part of himself, pieces of His spirit, to form people, why would he condemn part of himself to any torment?
OK Echuu...What about the Spiritual aspect that I quoted above...
Your earlier response was "Gosh, God can do what ever He feels like."
That was a joke, ever seen napoleon dynamite? Plus I was replying to Finti, not you.
Read what I wrote after that.
What your quote says doesn't make sense to me. Are you saying that he is comdemning himself? That is what it seems and that is not the case.
Sin seperated us from God and we can only come to him through Jesus Christ. That is why people are condemned to hell;it is because of the seperation. The bible says that God cannot deny us if we have Christ in our hearts because God cannot deny himself.
Sorry..I didn't realize it was a joke.. 😮
What I'm saying is God made everyone, 100%. That 100% is made up of God Himself. There is God in you and God in me. God made everything and so it's essence of life is God. Would He throw some of His own self in hell? If you say God sends or we send ourselves to Hell, then what you are saying is that God is throwing parts of Himself in Hell.
You COULD look at it this way I suppose. But, remember, god doesn't enjoy punishing us. He does so in demand of obedience, just as one may hate to punish their child who also in a manner of speaking, is a part of themselves. Correct? But either way, since god is eternal, and has infinate power and life...it wouldn't hurt him much to punish a part of himself, not on a spiritual level...more on a mentally spiritual level you know?
Originally posted by debbiejo
Sorry..I didn't realize it was a joke.. 😮What I'm saying is God made everyone, 100%. That 100% is made up of God Himself. There is God in you and God in me. God made everything and so it's essence of life is God. Would He throw some of His own self in hell? If you say God sends or we send ourselves to Hell, then what you are saying is that God is throwing parts of Himself in Hell.
Well we are made in the image of God. If there is God in you and God in me then he cannot punish that person. Remember? If God sees Christ in us he cannot deny that person because he cannot deny himself.
He loves us so much but like I said; the sin ruined everything and God cannot have a part of that sin and must judge those who disobey him.
I think that if someone is sent to hell they don't truely have God in them (i know what you mean though) because they wouldn't be going there from the point I stated above.
Originally posted by finti
if you used I believe that we are made in the image of god it would be more appropriate. Some might take it to heart that you just confirm what aint confirmed(existence of god)
The whole point of this thread is "does God have a right to judge us?". It would be more appropriate to treat God as real in this discussion since the question we are asking implies that he is.
Yes you could answer it that way; but I still think it is missing the point of the question because we are assuming that God exists with the question. If you say he doesn't exist and can't judge us then there is no point of asking does he have the right to. You could start a thread saying "does god exist and if so does he have the right to judge us."
But anyway yeah; I'll try to be more politically correct next time. 🙂
Originally posted by finti
Of course they dont say anything about infants tthat would make your god cruel and we have to avoid that wont we.........some, it is two cities in question so the number of infants would be more than some, and that lame flood story how many infants do you think there were beside some
Originally posted by FeceMan
Since most, if not all, the males in the city were homosexual, I don't think there was much to worry about.
Whoa!...take a second look. So, you're saying god has the right to wipe San Francisco or Atlanta off the face of the earth? And why doesn't he? He must be a kinder, gentler god. He must not really care anymore. Maybe his relationship with Jesus has softened him. Maybe that's why Jesus never says a tenth of the terrible things that the old test. god said. Maybe god came out of the closet himself.
Since most, if not all, the males in the city were homosexual, I don't think there was much to worry about.yeah is this what your priest told you or? .......and then there is the flood and its victims whats excuse do you have there, the entire world was gay except Noah and his family cause they where just swingers?
Originally posted by FeceMan
Since most, if not all, the males in the city were homosexual, I don't think there was much to worry about.
To assert that the last recorded acts of a group of Sodomites is proof that Sodom and Gomorra were destroyed for homosexuality is equivocal to asserting that a condemned man cursing his guards on the way to his execution is being executed for cursing the guards; Sodom and Gomorra were planned for destruction long before the mob converged on the home of Lot and demanded to rape his guests.
Homosexuality is not cited anywhere in Genesis 19 as a cause of the destruction of the two cities. In fact, the reason God destroys Sodom and Gomorra is stated clearly in Ezekiel 16:49-50.
"Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had arrogance, abundant food and careless ease, but she did not help the poor and needy.
Thus they were haughty before Me and I removed them when I saw it."
Furthermore, the sex of the angels is irrelevant; Had the angels been female, it would not suddenly be acceptable to rape them.
Once again, a Christian demonstrates a brilliant understanding of his own holy book. Rest assured that you have created God in your own image when he hates all the same people you do. 🙄
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Whoa!...take a second look. So, you're saying god has the right to wipe San Francisco or Atlanta off the face of the earth? And why doesn't he? He must be a kinder, gentler god. He must not really care anymore. Maybe his relationship with Jesus has softened him. Maybe that's why Jesus never says a tenth of the terrible things that the old test. god said. Maybe god came out of the closet himself.
The OT was a Jewish religion and yes Jesus was sent here to teach everybody what true love for our neighbors was, probably like Buddha, and Krishna, etc...Jesus and the other Masters knew something and wanted to convey it through his parables and riddles. The truth was that real spirituality was from the inside, not the outside. It could be referred to as some "Mystery Religion" if you look at them. Gnostic's also taught that way also. In the parable "the Pearl of Great worth." Most churches teach that the Peal is Jesus, but infact, the pearl is great wisdom, which a man sold everything for...Jesus knew the inner truths.
Originally posted by debbiejo
The OT was a Jewish religion and yes Jesus was sent here to teach everybody what true love for our neighbors was, probably like Buddha, and Krishna, etc...Jesus and the other Masters knew something and wanted to convey it through his parables and riddles. The truth was that real spirituality was from the inside, not the outside. It could be referred to as some "Mystery Religion" if you look at them. Gnostic's also taught that way also. In the parable "the Pearl of Great worth." Most churches teach that the Peal is Jesus, but infact, the pearl is great wisdom, which a man sold everything for...Jesus knew the inner truths.
Jesus and the Masters? Is that like He-Man and the Masters of the Universe?
You know what I mean. 😑 The Great religious leaders. The ones that taught LOVE..love, love, love......LOVE...You've heard of them. Not condemnation...NO, they never taught that...They taught patience with others that don't have the same level of concideration, compassion...etc..and that we all follow the same path...It just takes some longer then others to realize that.