Profanity directed at people and profanity used in general are two different things.
Have you not noticed that every single time you post in a thread it goes down hill and starts becoming irrelevant and no longer fun?
That's no coincidence. This thread was fine till you came in and started trying to lay the law down and start wars with your fanboy BS.
If you can't address me without going wild and saying that crap about "Alpha votes for the Hulk no matter what" which we all know isn't true, then don't address me at all. You refer to the Hulk more than I do. He isn't even in this thread and his name is only in it because you brought it up.
-AC
"Why? You people are bashing me. I think its time for another break on my part. It would make everyone happy."
Another solution: Stop calling everyone who likes the Hulk a fanboy. Stop bringing your personal feelings toward me into every single thread and ruining it.
Adhere to those and you won't have to leave.
-AC
He doesn't call everyone that likes hulk a fanboy. And where, in definition, does it say that being a fan boy/girl is a bad thing. I don't think that he is bringing personal feelings into this, because he's argued along side you in a some threads. If anyone if bring personal feelings into discussions that are towards you, its me. and I don't think that he ruins it either. I think you ruin it when you impose that you are right about everything, making people argue harder so that they don't feel stupid.
"I don't think that he is bringing personal feelings into this, because he's argued along side you in a some threads."
No, he's argued toward the same result. Not along side. He doesn't like how I do things which isn't my problem. 99% of what he has said to me on threads could have been taken to PM. He doesn't though, and it ruins threads.
"I think you ruin it when you impose that you are right about everything, making people argue harder so that they don't feel stupid."
Solution? Don't make stupid arguements then.
Notice that anyone on this boards who don't make pointless and irrelevant posts, do not look stupid. Those who do, look stupid. It's that simple.
Lady, you admitted that you know nothing of comics so going up against people who do and trying to prove they are wrong, saying silly things like Rogue would get naked to win, isn't gonna make you look anything BUT stupid.
If you enter a debate and choose to go against me, don't accuse me of making you look stupid when I'm only pointing out that you did it yourself.
Last request:
IRTMU, stop turning every thread into a debate about me. It's not cool, funny or needed. So stop it.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
"I don't think that he is bringing personal feelings into this, because he's argued along side you in a some threads."No, he's argued toward the same result. Not along side. He doesn't like how I do things which isn't my problem. 99% of what he has said to me on threads could have been taken to PM. He doesn't though, and it ruins threads.
"I think you ruin it when you impose that you are right about everything, making people argue harder so that they don't feel stupid."
Solution? Don't make stupid arguements then.
Notice that anyone on this boards who don't make pointless and irrelevant posts, do not look stupid. Those who do, look stupid. It's that simple.
Lady, you admitted that you know nothing of comics so going up against people who do and trying to prove they are wrong, saying silly things like Rogue would get naked to win, isn't gonna make you look anything BUT stupid.
If you enter a debate and choose to go against me, don't accuse me of making you look stupid when I'm only pointing out that you did it yourself.
Last request:
IRTMU, stop turning every thread into a debate about me. It's not cool, funny or needed. So stop it.
-AC
STOP SAYING THAT I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT COMICS! GAWD, I know comics, I just don't read every single chapter of every single series. I mean, I was trying to admit some fault to myself to make myself seem you know, like a regular person who can admit they are wrong or not as good as others, but NO, you keep using it against me in every single thread. Its driving me crazy. AND who cares if Rogue gets naked to win, WINNING IS WINNING.
This isn't the Rogue thread sweetie.
Secondly,
You purposefully admitted you know nothing of comics, for no reason? Weird.
From what you say in threads, it doesn't look like you know about their powers and some aka all of the theories you post are ridiculous.
I'm quite sick and tired of every decent thread getting ruined because I whoop too hard. Deal with it.
-AC
In an attempt to regain order and get back to the topic, I will repost the last relevant post towards the fight, which happens to be mine.
Yes she is the Phoenix. No she was not born as the Phoenix, but her connection with the force has grown to such a degree that the Phoenix power is as natural to her as her telepathy. At this point and time, her "mutations" are: A. Telepathy B. Telekinesis and C.(her secondary mutation) To be the perfect host body for the Phoenix Force. Therefore, I'd say that at this point, Jean Grey without the Phoenix is like the FF without their powers. After all, the FF weren't born with their powers, were they.
Also, Jean's TK is so advanced and powerful, that there is no doubt that she could make an airtight bubble, although other telekinetics may not be able to do so, Jean is all-powerful in the world of telekinesis, she would be able to do it. (As for the refereces of imperfect shield-makers, you mentioned Unus, but his bubbles were airtight, Spiderman technically killed him once by not letting up on his attacks and Unus suffocated...)
If Jean Grey was not born as the Phoenix, she isn't Phoenix. That's all there is to it Sentinel.
Jean Grey with the Phoenix force is called Phoenix. She isn't THE phoenix. THE phoenix is an intergalactic entity that possessed Jean.
Jean Grey is Jean Grey, born with telepathic and telekinetic powers. She was not born with the Phoenix force. Jonny Storm wasn't the Human Torch till he got hit with the Cosmic Rays. Jean Grey wasn't the Phoenix till it possessed her. Seeing as Jean was specified, not Phoenix, she is not relevant to the thread.
You are the person who got Phoenix force involved. It wasn't relevant to this thread, nor is it, if we are going by the thread's specified characters.
"Also, Jean's TK is so advanced and powerful, that there is no doubt that she could make an airtight bubble, although other telekinetics may not be able to do so, Jean is all-powerful in the world of telekinesis, she would be able to do it."
This is nothing but opinion and pure assumption.
When Jean went on a rampage against the Avengers, which one of the F4 stopped her dead in her tracks? Sue Storm.
Thread: F4 Vs Jean Grey, Colossus, Ice-Man and Nightcrawler.
As it's classic characters, F4 walkover this match.
Nobody raised "upgrades" besides you Sentinel. Purely coz you know X-Men don't stand a chance without em.
-AC
Wow, how did I miss this thread...
FF vs. Jean Grey, Colossus, IceMan, Nightcrawler.
Good team.
Jean and Sue have similar physical powers and can do many of the same things. So it's just a matter of playing quickdraw for some kind of instant death move. In a game of quickdraw, Jean wins - her province is the mind, and telekinetic power is less construction-oriented than invisible shields, so my guess is that it functions faster. What that means is that, let's say both Jean and Sue decided to stop someone's heart. Sue would have to 1. target the heart 2. create a forcefield around the heart 3. squeeze. For Jean to do the same thing, she's have to 1. Target the heart 2. Squeeze. So quick draw advantage goes to Jean.
Or she could just telepathically turn off Sue.
Colossus has always impressed me more than Thing. Thing's biggest asset is his heart, but Colossus is a close second and his greater strength and durability makes up for it for me.
Reed vs. Nightcrawler would go to Reed. Nightcrawler has the power to do it, but it would require something more ruthless than Kurt is capable of (teleporting Reed's head off). In a battle within the context of their personalities, Reed could probably predict where Nightcrawler will bampf and nail him.
IceMan vs. Human Torch. This is another fight that can go either way. It's really another quickdraw battle. The reason I give it to Bobby is because he has better non-lethal options at his disposal. Torch is constantly being mindful not to turn to heat up too much because of the damage it can cause. Ice man can snuff out Torch without worrying as much about accidentally killing him. So when push comes to shove, Bobby can pull the trigger first.
So I give it to the X-men 3-1.
Another thing to consider is that cross-matchups work in X-men's favor as well. So Jean could contain Torch and snuff him out, Nightcrawler could teleport inside Sue's bubble and knock her out, Iceman could put the deep freeze on Ben and Reed....well, I don't know of Colossus could hurt him, but it's still 3-1 in X-men's favor.
EIther way, it's not nearly the mismatch AC seems to claim it is.
"Or she could just telepathically turn off Sue."
This is all based upon your assumption that Jean functions faster which in turn is based off the fact that you've gone further into her powers that was ever intended. Bit of an overreach. In the comics, Sue already has one up on Jean.
"This is another fight that can go either way. It's really another quickdraw battle. The reason I give it to Bobby is because he has better non-lethal options at his disposal. Torch is constantly being mindful not to turn to heat up too much because of the damage it can cause. Ice man can snuff out Torch without worrying as much about accidentally killing him. So when push comes to shove, Bobby can pull the trigger first."
I completely see what you're saying and Torch DOES have to be mindful. However, classic Ice-Man (which is who we seem to be now, agreeably, referring to) has absolutely no chance of producing anything powerful enough to stop Torch, lethal or non.
"Another thing to consider is that cross-matchups work in X-men's favor as well. So Jean could contain Torch and snuff him out, Nightcrawler could teleport inside Sue's bubble and knock her out, Iceman could put the deep freeze on Ben and Reed....well, I don't know of Colossus could hurt him, but it's still 3-1 in X-men's favor."
Jean COULD contain Torch and snuff him out. Nightcrawler, who really is of absolutely no consequence in this match, COULD (to you, despite having to see where he's going, not just the outer layer of it) teleport inside Sue's bubble. Ice-Man COULD put the big freeze on Richards and Thing.
Nightcrawler to me and to many people, is of no consequence. Teleporting is gonna do jack in this match, well, certainly not enough to dramatically alter this outcome. Ice-Man is a nobody, always was until he got upgraded. Upgrades have never been specified and again, as we're referring to classics it seems, Torch and Thing would both smash on him. Colossus and Thing is the only debateable one out of the lot in my opinion. Sue has proven capable of taking out Jean. Reed is smarter than anyone on the team by some light year measured margin also. If it's quickdraw you're talking about. The F4 could do alot more in quick time than this assortment of X-Men. Jean doing something telepathically to Sue is the only thing I can see being possible on quick draw however, as I've said, Sue already has one up on Jean. So I have no reason to assume that this time will be any different.
I'd back F4 against upgraded X-Men or not.
Classics Vs Classics and yes, it's a mismatched walkover for the F4.
-AC