FF4 VS these 4 xmen i chose

Pfff, I think Thing has the popularity-edge here. But if we look at the facts, Colossus has the edge.

He's stronger (not that much, but still, stronger is stronger) and more durable. He trains on an almost daily basis in the Danger Room, together with Wolverine. Brawling only will get you so far. Fine tuning your skills will get you further in my opinion.

I like'em both, and Thing is going to put up one hell of a fight (and bore us probably with "Don't mess with one of the Yancy Street guys "- like everyone of Yancy Street has two black belts...), but since Colossus is probably faster and certainly stronger and more durable, I vote for Colossus.

I think it's not far fetched to vote for him. Colossus has a Royal Flush, Thing "only" a Straight Flush. Now you can all place your bets 😉

The Thing has far more experience fighting than Colossus (who started
training & fighting when he joined X-men). Thing's been fighting on the
streets since he was a little kid. Nothing like growing up in a gang-land
environment to sharpen one's instincts and will to survive. It's live or die.
Thing regularly fights people more powerful and NEVER gives up.
You think Colossus can go toe-to-toe with the Hulk as regularly and
impressively as The Thing does. No way. Colossus is a bit stronger now,
but Thing's got way more experience, instincts, will-power and heart.

That pic is from Exiles.

Regardless of whether Thing can beat Colossus or not, the fact is the X-Men would win hands down. This rapidly turning into a Colossus vs. Thing thread.

Yeah, Phoenix or Iceman could beat FF alone.

guys guys... sue storm? seriously,. the woman got skills... but i still say x-men...

Sue Storm is the only variant that the FF4 has against the X-Men. A telepathic attack would put her down.

i know that... but jeez... show a little respect... it is the f4... and we're assuming jean has phoenix level powers...

Phoenix or not, Jean Grey's psypowers alone would topple Sue.

Sue is incredibly powerful. I know for a fact she could take on the X-Men all by herself and have a chance of winning.

"Yeah, Phoenix or Iceman could beat FF alone."

This is actually a laughable post. Ice-Man alone isn't beating any of the Fantastic Four. His best chance is against Mr.Fantastic and I still don't see him winning.

If Sue has a chance of winning alone, then her combined with Human Torch, Thing and Mr.Fantastic would quite clearly take out the X-Men. There are more offensive and defensive techniques at the disposal of F4 than that of the X-Men.

-AC

You are underestimating Iceman. Back then he was incredibly weak. But nowadays he's a force to be reckoned with. He's impossible to kill. He has god-like control over water.

Phoenix has Omega level telepathy and telekinisis. A single thought and the FF4 are her sex-slaves.

"You are underestimating Iceman. Back then he was incredibly weak. But nowadays he's a force to be reckoned with. He's impossible to kill. He has god-like control over water."

Ice-Man isn't impossible to kill. God like control over water against a man with God like power over cosmic and earth type flames? Hmm, I think I'm gonna go with Torch. Sue Storm only has to protect them in an ultra strong bubble long enough for Torch to power up a supernova inside it then when he lets it go, the X-Men are dust. Ice-Man included.

"Phoenix has Omega level telepathy and telekinisis. A single thought and the FF4 are her sex-slaves."

Why are you automatically giving her Phoenix Powers?

-AC

God like power over cosmic? We're discussing plain ol' "flame on" Jonny. Not Silver Surfer stand-in Jonny.

Phoenix does not have her Phoenix potential. Without it she still has Omega level telepathy and telekinesis.

"God like power over cosmic? We're discussing plain ol' "flame on" Jonny. Not Silver Surfer stand-in Jonny."

Why are we talking about past Human Torch and not past Ice-Man? Why is Ice-Man allowed his current "God-Like" powers yet Torch has to remain standard? Even so, regular Torch has enough power to melt Colossus level organic metal, Ice-Man isn't gonna be a problem for him.

Why are you still referring to Phoenix? Jean Grey is the one who we're all refering to.

-AC

Iceman still has his same powers. He's just learned to better at it over the years. The Torch does not have his same powers. He was imbued with the power of cosmic.

Phoenix is a codename for Jean Grey. It has been for several years. Jean Grey without her Phoenix Potential has Omega-level telepathy and telekinisis. (New X-Men)

The Torch requires oxygen to burn. TK can remove the oxygen molecules around him reducing him back to his human form. A simple mental domination over his mind and the Torch would attack his teammates. The are many ways to defeat him.

Iceman cannot be melted, destroyed or killed. As long as there is moisture (like in Reed Richard's body) he's essentially impossible to kill.

I'm sure Ice-Man and Jean Grey will be on hand to take on Galactus next time he decides to take on the Earth.

If the FF were so smart and only dealt with the cosmic threats why did they come looking for the help of the X-men in the crossover comic. And then to top it all off they had to use the X-jet to get into orbit. Whats that all about?

Well, it was a crossover. I imagine it was all about that.

Why did they ask the X-Men for help? Because Marvel needed a reason to have them team up. And they sure as hell don't need the X-Jet to get into space, they got they're own sh*t for that.

It was written by a Japanese guy with obviously no real knowledge of either team. I highly doubt that the Fantastic Four had no way of scanning the space station for life. Not to mention needing a spacecraft.