you do all know that nightcrawler could tp into a buble, cut upen sue and tp out right?
and there is no frikin way torch will melt colossus, he can withstand mutiple blasts from havoc (wich is about as hot as the interior of the sun) and hes never been burned by anything (exept in AoA, but those where chem burns). and he has hightend reflex's and is a better fightedr than the thing.
toch vs ice man = stale mate
Originally posted by crazyspinz
you do all know that nightcrawler could tp into a buble, cut upen sue and tp out right?
Thing is Sue's shield of +3 to blocking can block a whole mess of things. It can block telepathy and quite possibly Nightcrawler's teleport attempts and Iceman's attempt to freeze things past it.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Thing is Sue's shield of +3 to blocking can block a whole mess of things. It can block telepathy and quite possibly Nightcrawler's teleport attempts and Iceman's attempt to freeze things past it.
um but night crawler doesnt acualy teleport. he gets put into another dimention, moves to his desired place, then comes back ionto ours, but he does all of that in what feels like mila secondsd to us, and that ius why he has more touble tping upwards and why he is tired all the time.
"Thing is Sue's shield of +3 to blocking can block a whole mess of things. It can block telepathy and quite possibly Nightcrawler's teleport attempts and Iceman's attempt to freeze things past it."
Exactly. So that pretty much puts to bed the Jean/Ice-Man theory.
Why are we refering to NEW Colossus and NEW Ice-Man, but OLD Torch?
If we're refering to NEW X-Men. We're also referring to the New F4. Torch is a herald. The fight is done.
-AC
Originally posted by crazyspinz
um but night crawler doesnt acualy teleport. he gets put into another dimention, moves to his desired place, then comes back ionto ours, but he does all of that in what feels like mila secondsd to us, and that ius why he has more touble tping upwards and why he is tired all the time.
I know how it works but still. Those shields are friggen twink.
Sue's field can arguably block telepathy. But not Jean's telepathy. Sue may be protected momentarily but her teammates are left unprotected.
Iceman doesn't need to go through Sue's shield. He can just suck the moisture out of her, freeze the blood in veins, freeze her organs, etc.
Nightcrawler can teleport anywhere he pleases. Including insider Sue's forcefield.
Colossus WAS melted by Pyro back in the 80's. Kitty and Peter were on a date and it was ruined by an attack by the Brotherhood. Pyro melted Peter's skin and caused it to crack and rupture. He became a statue. He was saved by the Morlock Healer and Rogue.
Originally posted by Draco69
Colossus WAS melted by Pyro back in the 80's. Kitty and Peter were on a date and it was ruined by an attack by the Brotherhood. Pyro melted Peter's skin and caused it to crack and rupture. He became a statue. He was saved by the Morlock Healer and Rogue.
i wasnt arguing with u 😛
maybe his skin improved... i'll try an dig up that pic i have...
"Sue's field can arguably block telepathy. But not Jean's telepathy"
If you don't even know if Sue can block telepathy, how do you know the degree to which she is capable of blocking it?
"Iceman doesn't need to go through Sue's shield. He can just suck the moisture out of her, freeze the blood in veins, freeze her organs, etc."
Not through a Sue Storm shield.
"Nightcrawler can teleport anywhere he pleases. Including insider Sue's forcefield."
Why can he?
"but it would make no sense. ( i know its a comic book but...) nothing has ever stop nioght cralwer form tping any where"
Does he not have to see where he's going? How can he see what's invisible and inside a forcefield?
Colossus being stronger or more durable is cool and all, but against people used to fighting Galactus, is it an impossible obstacle? No.
-AC
they are not used to fighing galactus, thety where getting there asses handed to them then reed pulled out the ultimate nulifier.
and nightcrawler does not acualy teleport, did u not read what i said?
"um but night crawler doesnt acualy teleport. he gets put into another dimention, moves to his desired place, then comes back ionto ours, but he does all of that in what feels like mila secondsd to us, and that ius why he has more touble tping upwards and why he is tired all the time."
and how willt he ff4 attack if they are surounded by her sheild the whole time?
To Alpha Centauri
Sue Storm's shield protects from various outside PHYSICAL influences. A bullet, a cannonball, Namor's fist. But it has it's limits.
I don't recall Sue Storm ever blocking telepathy with her shields but I'll take your word on it. Jean Grey's telepathy is Omega-level. She's a baby step behind Prof. X. Sue Storm cannot block any psychic attacks from her. Maybe she can block some psi-blasts. But Jean can do more than that. She can make her see things that aren't there. Cast illusions over Sue's teammates to make her think that they are her enemies. Shut down her senses. Make her vomit or defacte. The list goes on.
Iceman can manipulate the water in Sue's body. Forcefield or not. He has mental control of water molecules. Nothing is actually hitting the field.
Nightcrawler has enhanced senses. He could detect Sue's presence. It's not like he's going to affect the battle outcome anyway.
The FF uses the ultimate nulliefer or some wacky genius plan to defeat Galactus. Not brute force.
ok... uncanny xmen #177...
pyro uses massive amounts of fire to put colossus to boiling point... but colossus is stable, until avalanche drops liquid nitrogen on top of him... then he turns to stone...
it is unclear whether he was actually melting imo...
uncanny x-men #199...
pyro tries to take down colossus, colossus walks right through in metal form and knocks him out with one punch...
"they are not used to fighing galactus, thety where getting there asses handed to them then reed pulled out the ultimate nulifier."
Pulled out the ultimate nullifier and did what with it? Or used it to do what? The answer is: Defeat Galactus.
If they can defeat GALACTUS, why can they no defeat a bunch of Earth-born mutants? Come on now.
"and how willt he ff4 attack if they are surounded by her sheild the whole time?"
They have done so before. Point is, how will the X-Men attack if the F4 are surrounded by the sheild?
-AC
Originally posted by Draco69
Iceman can manipulate the water in Sue's body. Forcefield or not. He has mental control of water molecules. Nothing is actually hitting the field.
Nightcrawler is the only one I'd be iffy about the forcefield blocking.