** The MISUNDERSTOOD Religon **

Originally posted by Sam Z
No, I'm taking my facts from people that were there when it all happened, and among those people there were my grandfather and grandmother. Like it or not but Jews were slaughtering entire villages, killing inocent people and raping women with only one purpose - to make people run away. I bet you wont find it in their hystory books.
And one more thing, you have some kind of problems with russian federation? or is it just me?😬

How can you back such calims up. I'm not saying it didn't happen, but thats pretty outrageous and there is no reason to suggest why Israel would never conduct such acts. Israel is not the violent war mongers that you people think it is. If countries and these fundamentlist organziations would just leave them alone then everything would be fine. Now I'm guessing your grandparents were there during the Israeli-Lebanese war in the late 80's. I'm sure if this happened it was due to corrupt soldiers or non-commisioned Israeli fanatics, not the state of Israel supporting such actions. If Israel was actign as a terrorist, the UN would have put an end to it.

Originally posted by gordomuchacho
How can you back such calims up. I'm not saying it didn't happen, but thats pretty outrageous and there is no reason to suggest why Israel would never conduct such acts. Israel is not the violent war mongers that you people think it is. If countries and these fundamentlist organziations would just leave them alone then everything would be fine. Now I'm guessing your grandparents were there during the Israeli-Lebanese war in the late 80's. I'm sure if this happened it was due to corrupt soldiers or non-commisioned Israeli fanatics, not the state of Israel supporting such actions. If Israel was actign as a terrorist, the UN would have put an end to it.

If they leave Israel alone then everything would be fine for Israel and not for them. I'm talking about palestine now, not Lebanon. Why should they leave them alone if their home was taken from them and relatives killed. You see, Israel attacks civilians, and when these civilians dare to strike back they are terrorists. What's the differance between acts of Israel and of Palestine, both sides attack each other and in both sides unfortunatly civilians die, but Palestinians are terrorists and jews not? So if you kill inocent by blowing yourself you are terrorist but when you just blow inocents without blowing yourself it is just fine? And again, jews started it. Palesine does it in respone for what Jews did to them. My grandparents were not in lebanon, they were in palestine in 1948. And not only them, i know many others who were. Even if Israel doesn't support these actions, it happens too often for an accidents, and i want to ensure you isralian soldiers when kill civilians do it with pleasure AND on purpose and I saw dozens of videoes as a proof, and I'm not een talking of what they were doing years ago.

Originally posted by Sam Z
If they leave Israel alone then everything would be fine for Israel and not for them. I'm talking about palestine now, not Lebanon. Why should they leave them alone if their home was taken from them and relatives killed. You see, Israel attacks civilians, and when these civilians dare to strike back they are terrorists. What's the differance between acts of Israel and of Palestine, both sides attack each other and in both sides unfortunatly civilians die, but Palestinians are terrorists and jews not? So if you kill inocent by blowing yourself you are terrorist but when you just blow inocents without blowing yourself it is just fine? And again, jews started it. Palesine does it in respone for what Jews did to them. My grandparents were not in lebanon, they were in palestine in 1948. And not only them, i know many others who were. Even if Israel doesn't support these actions, it happens too often for an accidents, and i want to ensure you isralian soldiers when kill civilians do it with pleasure AND on purpose and I saw dozens of videoes as a proof, and I'm not een talking of what they were doing years ago.

So, does this mean that the blood bath must go on forever? Wrong + wrong does not make a right. I would like to see a Palestinian and Israel State. Rather it is right or wrong does not matter. The past should remain in the past.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
So, does this mean that the blood bath must go on forever? Wrong + wrong does not make a right. I would like to see a Palestinian and Israel State. Rather it is right or wrong does not matter. The past should remain in the past.

I'm not saying that any of sides do a good thing, no. When inocents die, it is always bad. My point was, that usualy people blame palestine for everything bad that happens, even though it all happened because of the measures jews used long time ago. They created hatred, hatred made palestinians do what they do now.

Originally posted by Sam Z
I'm not saying that any of sides do a good thing, no. When inocents die, it is always bad. My point was, that usualy people blame palestine for everything bad that happens, even though it all happened because of the measures jews used long time ago. They created hatred, hatred made palestinians do what they do now.

Both sides have done great evil.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Both sides have done great evil.

Most certainly.

Originally posted by maham
Bla bla bla...wat sense does ur post make anyway? Silly Jew!

Wonderful!! I can feel the sense of compassion just oozing out of you!

The ironic thing is, YOU tried to pin discrimination and ''racism''(??) on other people in this thread, yet it is you who seem to be the same thing you are condeming others for.

Regardless, that was offencive, so don't do it again.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
There hasn't been such a thing as "honor killing" in any mainstream sect of Judaism for over two millenia.
You could say that the Kachanist terrorist groups in Israel have such a concept, but apart from some brutal killings of palastinians in the past, their recent efforts have been more targeted at using weapons of mass destruction on other Jews in order to blame arab terrorists and start an all out war of attrition.

I have a feeling tho, that Maham and some of the less enlightened individuals discussing this thread are gonna get into all those Christian invented myths like "blood libel" and other falsehoods that have generally been used as an excuse for halfwits to commit acts of mass extermination for the last 3 millenia or so.

Sorry I wasn't very specific in what I was asking.

I meant honour killings such as ''father kills a daughter to save family honour'' type of honour killing.

Originally posted by Sam Z
If they leave Israel alone then everything would be fine for Israel and not for them. I'm talking about palestine now, not Lebanon. Why should they leave them alone if their home was taken from them and relatives killed. You see, Israel attacks civilians, and when these civilians dare to strike back they are terrorists. What's the differance between acts of Israel and of Palestine, both sides attack each other and in both sides unfortunatly civilians die, but Palestinians are terrorists and jews not? So if you kill inocent by blowing yourself you are terrorist but when you just blow inocents without blowing yourself it is just fine? And again, jews started it. Palesine does it in respone for what Jews did to them. My grandparents were not in lebanon, they were in palestine in 1948. And not only them, i know many others who were. Even if Israel doesn't support these actions, it happens too often for an accidents, and i want to ensure you isralian soldiers when kill civilians do it with pleasure AND on purpose and I saw dozens of videoes as a proof, and I'm not een talking of what they were doing years ago.

I completely agree! Go Sammie!!!

Originally posted by lil bitchiness

Sorry I wasn't very specific in what I was asking.

I meant honour killings such as ''father kills a daughter to save family honour'' type of honour killing.

Absolutely not. It's forbidden.

As for your question about my problem with the "Russian Federation" Sam Z, I do not trust the leading authorities on antisemitism, particularly the state run medias of any of the countries of the Commenwealth of Independant States on matters of Israel or Judaism. If you relatives were attacked by Kachanists, then I'm sorry, those guys are lunatic retards and are discussed in a separate thread. Besides, why so much concentration on Israel when you've got bigger problems in the form of Putin, Lukashenko, and Nayasov to worry about? I'd give you more credence if you sounded a little less like Zhiranovsky in your accusation and debating style.

If you aren't actually from the Russian Federation and are just being interesting or trying to pull stuff out of your ass, shame on me.

Originally posted by Darth Jello

As for your question about my problem with the "Russian Federation" Sam Z, I do not trust the leading authorities on antisemitism, particularly the state run medias of any of the countries of the Commenwealth of Independant States on matters of Israel or Judaism. If you relatives were attacked by Kachanists, then I'm sorry, those guys are lunatic retards and are discussed in a separate thread. Besides, why so much concentration on Israel when you've got bigger problems in the form of Putin, Lukashenko, and Nayasov to worry about? I'd give you more credence if you sounded a little less like Zhiranovsky in your accusation and debating style.

If you aren't actually from the Russian Federation and are just being interesting or trying to pull stuff out of your ass, shame on me.

I think people who think that the media and Hollywood are jewish entites really need to open their eyes a bit and quit being racist.

A problem with the media and Isreal/Hamas/Hezbollah/Lebanon is that at least the American media has a neverending guest list of Isreali apologetics. While they have tried to balance it out with some Lebanese officials, the balance is far from present. Its not like Hassan Nasrallah is going to make an appearance on CNN.

Of course that could largely be due to the fact that he'd just as soon shoot his interviewer as talk to him.

Perhaps...or be arrested or "precisioned" bombed along with the UN.

OOPS! That one just went astray and hit New York.

You know, I'd say Kofi was right if a missile hit NY from Israel. that's kinda longer range than you need to bomb lebanon. But what do I know? whistling1

Really. I thought New York was closer to Isreal than Leba-Lebanon.

maybe I will try to find a map.

Originally posted by Alliance
I think people who think that the media and Hollywood are jewish entites really need to open their eyes a bit and quit being racist.

A problem with the media and Isreal/Hamas/Hezbollah/Lebanon is that at least the American media has a neverending guest list of Isreali apologetics. While they have tried to balance it out with some Lebanese officials, the balance is far from present. Its not like Hassan Nasrallah is going to make an appearance on CNN.

I was talking about media here, in Russia.
Hollywood isn't jewish, but still mostly it is hollywood responsible for those stereotypes i was talking about. In 30% of all action movies bad guys are muslims.

Where'd you get that statsistic?

You know what. I think you're over-reacting. Action movies are low class anyway. You cold say that in 70% of all movies that bad-guys are white. It doesn't mean that all white guys are bad.

Originally posted by Alliance
Where'd you get that statsistic?

You know what. I think you're over-reacting. Action movies are low class anyway. You cold say that in 70% of all movies that bad-guys are white. It doesn't mean that all white guys are bad.

People usualy do not pay attention to skin color that much, but when they see guy with ak that screams "I'll destroy united states in the name of Allah" they remember that. But may be you are right and I'm over-reacting. But about the media here - it is true.

I think peopel just have a tendancy to blame "the media"

Part of it is a pop culture thing. In the US during the cold war....the soviets/communists/socialists were more often portrayed as bad guys.

Now the US has moved its "enemy #1" on to terrorism, mainly Islamic. Its a stupid coincidence that means nothing. In ten years it'll be something new.

Originally posted by Alliance
I think peopel just have a tendancy to blame "the media"

Part of it is a pop culture thing. In the US during the cold war....the soviets/communists/socialists were more often portrayed as bad guys.

Now the US has moved its "enemy #1" on to terrorism, mainly Islamic. Its a stupid coincidence that means nothing. In ten years it'll be something new.

How is it a coincidence if anyone who is against US is shown as a bad guy? It still makes people form some certain opinion about muslims because they mostly watch hollywood movies.