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Originally posted by leonheartmm
i already explained in complete detail. the most sever measures were taken by the prophet and his BLESSED caliphates when dealing with any and all rebellions. read a lil history. saddam was merely putting down rebellions in his country. the ideology of the rebellion is of no consequence as long as they werent pro islamic in spirit. question answered case closed.

Again, you're saying that Sadam's actions are approved by Qur'an but atleast try reading it before saying that he is a good muslim and follows Islam. So I'll become a bhuddist and then will kill 100 people, by your logic it'll mean that bhuddism is an extreme religion. Islam is not extreme because of Sadam especially since Qur'an does not approves his actions. But what's the point talking to you about Islam if you have no idea what are you talking about.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Then what is religion for ?

You're right. Racism and Sexism are not born of religion, but ARE strengthened through religion. ✅

So your religion is working for you ! Thats GREAT ! 👆

You claim your religion is working for all Muslims....👇

How sadly delusional...so WAR is the intent of Islam ? Centuries of back and forth slaughter and the destruction of the Twin Towers are the goals of Islam ? I guess if the INTENT of Islam is Hatred, Destruction, and Disunity, then yeah..it must be working.

If the intent is Love or Unity, then its poorly failing. 👇

Well, there is no one answer for this question because everyone has his own thoughts about it, i can only tell you what is Islam for me and my answer will clearly be based on only my beliefs and a lot of people will disagree because it's personal. Racism and Sexism are not really strengthened by religions, if someone is racist or sexist then he doesn't need religion to be one, it's just the way he is. Not war neither distructions of two towers are approved by Islam, that's why it works for all muslims. Those people that attacked world trade center did something that Islam doesn't approves, so they are not real muslims, but religion works for those who follow it corectly.

Originally posted by docb77
Question - does the Qur'an contain something analogous to the 10 commandments of judaism and christianity?

I mean, I know that Islam considered Jews and Christians, at least originally, to be people of the book, so are they in there or not?

Yes, Qur'an contains commandments but not everything is completly simillar to Bible and it is not just listed but it's mentioned many times in the surahs of Qur'an.

Originally posted by Alfheim
What Pagan temples?

Originally posted by debbiejo
Find it and post it........I was only speaking the truth......Women are treated like dogs.........Less than dogs......

LOL! C wat I mean?

Originally posted by Sam Z
Ok, you're right. It's personal thing.
I am upset because a lot of people see violance in Islam and Qur'an and for now on noone of them was able to explain to me why it is violant.

Well I dont think its a personal thing, I was just saying that even if I think im right I should still not be rude to you.

Originally posted by maham
Go there n c 4 urself.

Could you just anwser the question without taking it so personal. Im hardly going to go to Pakistan to see if there are any pagan temples. So....you have pagan temples were people go to worship?

How can you blame me for thinking the way I do when Mohammed himself destroyed the idols of the pagans in Mecca.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
ill tell u this, i was a hafiz once nearly memorized half of the quran completely. nmot to mention islamiat studied being systematically stuffed into your head since school starts. with a little help form constant visit by ALIMS. if any1 doesnt know about islam its you. seeing as ur still FOLLOWING IT.

Did they mess you up as well?

Sorry I should not have done that im just very bitter.

Originally posted by Sam Z
Yes, Qur'an contains commandments but not everything is completly simillar to Bible and it is not just listed but it's mentioned many times in the surahs of Qur'an.

That's not exactly what I meant. There are more commandments than just 10 in the Bible after all. What I was wondering is how much the 10 commandments in the Bible match up with whatever Moses brought down from the mountain in the qur'an version of the story?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Could you just anwser the question without taking it so personal. Im hardly going to go to Pakistan to see if there are any pagan temples. So....you have pagan temples were people go to worship?

How can you blame me for thinking the way I do when Mohammed himself destroyed the idols of the pagans in Mecca. [/B]

😆 I wasn't bein personal.I was just bein...practical.No,seriously! go ther n c 4 urself! There R temples!!!

Y shudn't He (PBUH) hav? They had made such a sacred site an idol-laden zone where they had kept abt 360 or so idols n their prayers were clappin n whistlin there n circlin teh Kaaba (men n women) NAKED! Just picture it! OMG! Ppl were SICK!!!

I can quote the Holy Quran if u want me too...

YUSUFALI: Their prayer at the House (of Allah) is nothing but whistling and clapping of hands: (Its only answer can be), "Taste ye the penalty because ye blasphemed." -008.035 (Surah AL-ANFAL (SPOILS OF WAR, BOOTY)

Originally posted by Sam Z
Well, there is no one answer for this question because everyone has his own thoughts about it, i can only tell you what is Islam for me and my answer will clearly be based on only my beliefs and a lot of people will disagree because it's personal. Racism and Sexism are not really strengthened by religions, if someone is racist or sexist then he doesn't need religion to be one, it's just the way he is. Not war neither distructions of two towers are approved by Islam, that's why it works for all muslims. Those people that attacked world trade center did something that Islam doesn't approves, so they are not real muslims, but religion works for those who follow it corectly.

It's the same thing Christians say about the Salem Witch Trials and Inquisition, "Those were not real Christians"

Islam and Christianity are human construct. There is no such thing as a true Christian or Muslim.

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alright, why is saddam even mentioned in the context of this thread? he's a stalinist autocrat and has nothing to do with muslim theocracy, hence why the saudis and iran were non-too friendly with him. Same with Qaddafi, same with Arafat. Being a violent socialist who happens to rule muslims doesn't make you a theocratic muslim.

anyway, i've been thinking about this after i recently found out that Sayyid Qutb, the moronic ******* who created this whole concept of radical, violent terrorist islam pulled his ideology out of his ass about 60 miles away in Greeley, Colorado. By calling it "radical Islam" or "Islamism" or "Islamofascism", your either being racist or your validating violence as a valid expression of Islam. I mean, nobody calls it "Hebrewism" or "radical judaism" or "judeofascism" when a crazy like Baruch Goldstein shoots up a mosque, we call it Kahanism after Rabbi Meir Kahane, the founder of these violent assholes. So why don't we refer to Islamic terrorism as Qutbism? that way, people associate terrorism with a single ******* instead of a faith, therefore making it less valid.

Originally posted by maham
😆 I wasn't bein personal.I was just bein...practical.No,seriously! go ther n c 4 urself! There R temples!!!

Y shudn't He (PBUH) hav? They had made such a sacred site an idol-laden zone where they had kept abt 360 or so idols n their prayers were clappin n whistlin there n circlin teh Kaaba (men n women) NAKED! Just picture it! OMG! Ppl were SICK!!!

I can quote the Holy Quran if u want me too...

[B]YUSUFALI: Their prayer at the House (of Allah) is nothing but whistling and clapping of hands: (Its only answer can be), "Taste ye the penalty because ye blasphemed." -008.035 (Surah AL-ANFAL (SPOILS OF WAR, BOOTY) [/B]

Hmm, hypocricy?

I thought there was a ''freedom of religion'' in Islam? Or does that only apply to if you are already a muslim?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
It's the same thing Christians say about the Salem Witch Trials and Inquisition, "Those were not real Christians"

Islam and Christianity are human construct. There is no such thing as a true Christian or Muslim.

Oh right! So there are no 'real' Muslims or Christians, but there are real Jews, Hindus, Pagans, Baha'i, Mormans...etc?

Mhm...

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
It's the same thing Christians say about the Salem Witch Trials and Inquisition, "Those were not real Christians"

Islam and Christianity are human construct. There is no such thing as a true Christian or Muslim.

Sorry LU, like it or not but if guy that calls himself muslim does something that Islam is absolutly against and that Qur'an critisize he is not just sinner but not real muslim, same about christians, you can't blame entire religion for actions of one man that doesn't even follows it correctly.

Originally posted by Sam Z
Sorry LU, like it or not but if guy that calls himself muslim does something that Islam is absolutly against and that Qur'an critisize he is not just sinner but not real muslim, same about christians, you can't blame entire religion for actions of one man that doesn't even follows it correctly.

What about the Pope? Or a Cleric?

Originally posted by docb77
That's not exactly what I meant. There are more commandments than just 10 in the Bible after all. What I was wondering is how much the 10 commandments in the Bible match up with whatever Moses brought down from the mountain in the qur'an version of the story?

Originally posted by Himo
What about the Pope? Or a Cleric?

What about them?

Originally posted by Sam Z
What about them?

What if they commit a crime against their religion? Woul dthey be considered not apart of it?

Originally posted by Himo
What if they commit a crime against their religion? Woul dthey be considered not apart of it?

If Pope blows up church for example you'd still concider him catholic?