Originally posted by Sam Z
If so then seems you wasn't paying much attention to Qur'an. I wasn't forced to pick Islam, I'm not muslim because my relatives are muslims (btw they are not) i picked it after i studied it and learned about it, and I don't see what "dangerous""BULLSHIT" you are talking about.
go to faithfreedom.org or just google it. ull see what im talkin about.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
islam IS dangerous, not just in implication but in simple ideaology and instrucion too. visit faithfreedom.org to find out only SOME of the many crappy bull things in the quran. i was born and raised as a devout and pretty much fundamentalist muslim in pakistan and was one until age11. and still live in a very fundamentalist society. trust me, islam is BULLSHIT.
No ... U R!
Originally posted by Sam Z
If so then seems you wasn't paying much attention to Qur'an. I wasn't forced to pick Islam, I'm not muslim because my relatives are muslims (btw they are not) i picked it after i studied it and learned about it, and I don't see what "dangerous""BULLSHIT" you are talking about.
I was born catholic and oh yeah I studied Islam too. You obvoulsy have not studied it enough.
Originally posted by maham
No ... U R!
What a GREAT argument 🙄 You really convinced me dude !
There is no "misunderstood religion". All religions are "misunderstood" as all religions that promote a central diety sorely LACK clarity and contain numerous contradictions in testiment and practice.
The goal for religion is Unity correct? Yet, religion causes MORE disunity than any other social force imaginable. While Racism and Sexism is seen as subjective forces, Religion gives people solidly written reasons to divide, and gets people to look at our differences and ignore our similarities.
Maham, your religion is no better or worse than Christianity or Judaism, or Greek Mythology, or Aztec mythos, etc.
Don't agree with me? Ofcourse you don't. 🙄 Ask yourself two questions then, my freind:
1) Is your religion working for you?
2) Is your religion working for ALL MUSLIMS ?
Originally posted by Lord UrizenReligion is not really for Unity. And racism and sexism are born not by religions but by humans themselvs, it was always like this.
What a GREAT argument 🙄 You really convinced me dude !There is no "misunderstood religion". All religions are "misunderstood" as all religions that promote a central diety sorely LACK clarity and contain numerous contradictions in testiment and practice.
The goal for religion is Unity correct? Yet, religion causes MORE disunity than any other social force imaginable. While Racism and Sexism is seen as subjective forces, Religion gives people [b]solidly written
reasons to divide, and gets people to look at our differences and ignore our similarities.Maham, your religion is no better or worse than Christianity or Judaism, or Greek Mythology, or Aztec mythos, etc.
Don't agree with me? Ofcourse you don't. 🙄 Ask yourself two questions then, my freind:
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Originally posted by Lord UrizenYes
1) Is your religion working for you?
Originally posted by Lord Urizenyes
2) Is your religion working for ALL MUSLIMS ?
Originally posted by Sam Z
Religion is not really for Unity. And racism and sexism are born not by religions but by humans themselvs, it was always like this.
But then since religion is invariably created by humans... even if one accepts their is a God they are always absent - humans create the means of worship, humans are the worshippers. Unless a religion is diverse enough, or secular enough (that is far more easy in polytheistic types), when you have religions with far to strict guidelines dependant on "correct" interpretation, religion will have far to human failings.
Peoples beliefs will be shaded by their own perceptions as long as holy teachings are symbolic and vague, which might be fine, but then you will have conflict between others who think they are actually the ones with the correct interpretation.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
What a GREAT argument 🙄 You really convinced me dude !
The goal for religion is Unity correct? Yet, religion causes MORE disunity than any other social force imaginable. While Racism and Sexism is seen as subjective forces, Religion gives people [b]solidly written reasons to divide, and gets people to look at our differences and ignore our similarities.
I think Sammie has already answered that.
1) Is your religion working for you?
2) Is your religion working for ALL MUSLIMS ?
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
There is a Danger to EVERY RELIGION or beleif system.Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Athiesm, and Agnosticism can all be abused and used in a negative way.
Really?
So why isn't there a popular ''misconcpetion'' about Buddhism being connected with violence, hate preaching or suicide bombing?
How about Hinduism? Why isn't there a popular belief that Hinduism and violence are interlinked in any way?
Or how about Baha'i? Or what about Sikh?
How about Taoism, and Zen?
Why is it that noone has misconceptions regarding these religions, yet everyone seems to misunderstand Islam?
To think its pure propaganda or misconception, and to base it only on that, is short sighed.
Logically, there has to be something there which makes people believe something.
Misconceptions you are taking about had to come from somewhere.
Convincing someone whos religion is all about peace to hurt other people for greater good, has to have some aspects of that prior.
You are not going to convince a Zen follower, or a Buddhist to go kill anyone for any kind of ideology or belief.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Really?So why isn't there a popular ''misconcpetion'' about Buddhism being connected with violence, hate preaching or suicide bombing?
How about Hinduism? Why isn't there a popular belief that Hinduism and violence are interlinked in any way?
Or how about Baha'i? Or what about Sikh?How about Taoism, and Zen?
Why is it that noone has misconceptions regarding these religions, yet everyone seems to misunderstand Islam?
To think its pure propaganda or misconception, and to base it only on that, is short sighed.
Logically, there has to be something there which makes people believe something.
Misconceptions you are taking about had to come from somewhere.Convincing someone whos religion is all about peace to hurt other people for greater good, has to have some aspects of that prior.
You are not going to convince a Zen follower, or a Buddhist to go kill anyone for any kind of ideology or belief.
I think any negative use or abuse of Buddhism or Zen is RARE.....probably should not have mentioned it but you have to consider:
Buddhism is an idealogy that ultamately respects Life. I value that above all else, but even THAT can be taken too far.
Extremists who take this ideal too literally, may be hesitant to defend themselves as killing may be a necessity in protecting your own life. Also the killing of insects is a big "no no" in Buddhism, yet isn't it a necessity to kill mosquitoes that might carry West Nile Virus ?
How about the Parasites in our food ? How about all those lives, big or small, who are a danger to ourselves ?
Take ONE aspect of Buddhism (the ultamate respect for life) too far, and your results may be unpleasant.
However, that is nothing compared to the negatives that accompany Christianity, Islam, and Judaism.
I never heard of a WAR or Inquistion result from Buddhism.
As for Hinduism, YES I have heard a very bad case where that religion was taken to the exteme.
You ever heard of the "Thugs" ? They are worshippers of KALI the Goddess of Death and Destruction, and they want on a persistant RAMPAGE throught the past decades murdering innocent people in India, for sacrafice to the Goddess.
This is ONE aspect of Hinduism that was taken to far....
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I think any negative use or abuse of Buddhism or Zen is RARE.....probably should not have mentioned it but you have to consider:[b]Buddhism
is an idealogy that ultamately respects Life. I value that above all else, but even THAT can be taken too far.Extremists who take this ideal too literally, may be hesitant to defend themselves as killing may be a necessity in protecting your own life. Also the killing of insects is a big "no no" in Buddhism, yet isn't it a necessity to kill mosquitoes that might carry West Nile Virus ?
How about the Parasites in our food ? How about all those lives, big or small, who are a danger to ourselves ?
Take ONE aspect of Buddhism (the ultamate respect for life) too far, and your results may be unpleasant.
However, that is nothing compared to the negatives that accompany Christianity, Islam, and Judaism.
I never heard of a WAR or Inquistion result from Buddhism.
As for Hinduism, YES I have heard a very bad case where that religion was taken to the exteme.
You ever heard of the "Thugs" ? They are worshippers of KALI the Goddess of Death and Destruction, and they want on a persistant RAMPAGE throught the past decades murdering innocent people in India, for sacrafice to the Goddess.
This is ONE aspect of Hinduism that was taken to far.... [/B]
You are correct. extremism is always wrong. Even Buddha taught against extremism.
BTW suffering is the big "no no" in my Buddhism. Death is natural as long as we do not fall into the evil paths.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I think any negative use or abuse of Buddhism or Zen is RARE.....probably should not have mentioned it but you have to consider:[b]Buddhism
is an idealogy that ultamately respects Life. I value that above all else, but even THAT can be taken too far.Extremists who take this ideal too literally, may be hesitant to defend themselves as killing may be a necessity in protecting your own life. Also the killing of insects is a big "no no" in Buddhism, yet isn't it a necessity to kill mosquitoes that might carry West Nile Virus ?
How about the Parasites in our food ? How about all those lives, big or small, who are a danger to ourselves ?
Take ONE aspect of Buddhism (the ultamate respect for life) too far, and your results may be unpleasant.
However, that is nothing compared to the negatives that accompany Christianity, Islam, and Judaism.
I never heard of a WAR or Inquistion result from Buddhism.
As for Hinduism, YES I have heard a very bad case where that religion was taken to the exteme.
You ever heard of the "Thugs" ? They are worshippers of KALI the Goddess of Death and Destruction, and they want on a persistant RAMPAGE throught the past decades murdering innocent people in India, for sacrafice to the Goddess.
This is ONE aspect of Hinduism that was taken to far.... [/B]
But you are moving away from my argument.
If there are dangers, as you claim, equal of every religion other than Islam, why is there misconceptions regarding Islam so vast, compared to Buddhism or Zen or Tao, or Hinduism.
Isolated incidents of each religion do not hold true to the argument of Islam as ''missunderstood'', mostly because acts of -
-Suicide
-Honour Killings
-Stoning
-Be-headings
all in the name of Islamic law are not isolated. They are thousands and thousands.
My argument is that IF all other religions are as dangerous as Islam, WHY are there not as many ''misconcpetions'' or as generic misconceptions of OTHER religions, other than Islam?