Originally posted by crazy
Big deal JIA, I know former Christians who were devout that are now Muslims, what is the big deal? I am sure if I searced online I would find stories just like yours with the opposite scenario.
Why the attitude? Their testimony corroborates what I have been saying about God and Allah--from the horses mouth. The God of the Bible and Allah are not one and the same. They are not the same God.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Why the attitude? Their testimony corroborates what I have been saying about God and Allah--from the horses mouth. The God of the Bible and Allah are not one and the same. They are not the same God.
There is no attitude, I am just saying I do not get what the big deal is about devout athiests converting. Most of the links you post always describe the person as a devout athiest who only went by science and seemed pretty close minded. They describe the person as basically way too athiest, which begs the question, were they really athiests? They seem like athiests who are drones, I do not think it is a coincidence that these people who described themselves as former athiests are devout Christians now, it seemed like they wanted to be that way the whole time.
My point is I would be more interested in testimonies from just average people, not that I really want to hear testimonies cause why should I take the word of some guy I don't know anyway. I just do not find the devout athiest testimonies to be of much credbility.
I do not think the arguement about if allah is the god of the bible matters much so to each his own. It is a dead arguement, it should just die!
Sorry for the incoherent babble, I am just really tired but I attemped to respond anyway!
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Why the attitude? Their testimony corroborates what I have been saying about God and Allah--from the horses mouth. The God of the Bible and Allah are not one and the same. They are not the same God.
Actually, a lot of apostels of Islam are now Athiests or Buddhists.
Once you leave a monotheic organised religion, why the heck would you wanna re-join another?
Every Religion has it's own flaw's. There are extremest in every nation, every religion. But when the religion you believe in say's that all must die that dont follow our religion is wrong. It's that simple.
Just to shed some light on the situation!!!
The Muslim religion in the fastest growing religion per capita in the United States, especially in the minority races!!!
Allah or Jesus? By Rick Mathes
Last month I attended my annual training session that's required for maintaining my state prison security clearance. During the training session there was a presentation by three speakers representing the Roman Catholic, Protestant and Muslim faiths, who explained each of their beliefs.
I was particularly interested in what the Islamic Imam had to say. The Imam gave a great presentation of the basics of Islam, complete with a video.
After the presentations, time was provided for questions and answers. When it was my turn, I directed my question to the Imam and asked: "Please, correct me if I'm wrong but I understand that most Imams and clerics of Islam have declared a holy jihad [Holy war] against the infidels of the world and, that by killing an infidel, (which is a command to all Muslims) they are assured of a place in heaven. If that's the case, can you give me the definition of an infidel?"
There was no disagreement with my statements and, without hesitation, he replied, "Non-believers!"
I responded, "So, let me make sure I have this straight. All
followers of Allah have been commanded to kill everyone who is not of your faith so they can have a place in Heaven. Is that correct?"
The ____ _expression on his face changed from one of authority and command to that of "a little boy who had just been caught with his hand in the cookie jar." He sheepishly replied, "Yes".
I then stated, "Well, sir, I have a real problem trying to imagine Pope John Paul commanding all Catholics to kill those of your faith or Dr. Stanley ordering all Protestants to do the same in order to guarantee them a place in Heaven!"
The Imam was speechless.
I continued, "I also have problem with being your 'friend' when you and your brother clerics are telling your followers to kill me! Let me ask you a question. Would you rather have your Allah, who tells you to kill me in order for you to go to Heaven, or my Jesus who tells me to love you because I am going to Heaven and He wants you to be there with me?"
You could have heard a pin drop as the Imam hung his head in shame.
Needless to say, the organizers and/or promoters of the 'Diversification' training seminar were not happy with Rick's way of dealing with the Islamic Imam and exposing the truth about the Muslims' beliefs.
In twenty years there will be enough Muslim voters in the U.S. to elect the President! I think everyone in the US should be required to read this but with the liberal justice system, liberal media, and the ACLU, there is no way this will be widely publicized.
Please pass this on to all your e-mail contacts.
This is a true story and the author, Rick Mathes, is a well known leader in prison ministry.
Two possibilites: 1) Rick Mathes made that up. Or 2) Imam haven't understood anything Rick asked him about.
Jihad is a Holly War, there is a small jihad and there is a big jihad. Big jihad is when person "fights" himself to get determined about his beliefes and to believe that there is no God except Allah and that Mohammad is his prophet. And small Jihad a "fight" against non-believers and it doesn't mean muslims must kill every nonbeliever they see, but it's the same as "fighting" yourself, and the main idea is to make them understand Islam so they could believe too. Every muslim know that, so i just can't take that Imam couldn't answer the question.
Or Rick didnt make this up. 1. I know for a fact. 2. Your looking for reasons to disagree. STOP BEING THE F*CKIN PROBLEM.
Accept the truth. I posted this so people can see the truth. And you can disagree all you want. You know it's true.
And it's quiet sad that our own government wont let us spread the truth. You think questions like these shouldnt come answered? Liberals are pussies. This is the shit that people need to see. People need to see the truth. Believe it or not. It's up to you. I have no reason to lie, including when it comes to my beliefes. I want all people to be saved, but at the same time I am guilty cause of the HATE I have for those who dont believe.
Originally posted by S.C.U.D DF
Or Rick didnt make this up. 1. I know for a fact. 2. Your looking for reasons to disagree. STOP BEING THE F*CKIN PROBLEM.Accept the truth. I posted this so people can see the truth. And you can disagree all you want. You know it's true.
And it's quiet sad that our own government wont let us spread the truth. You think questions like these shouldnt come answered? Liberals are pussies. This is the shit that people need to see. People need to see the truth. Believe it or not. It's up to you. I have no reason to lie, including when it comes to my beliefes. I want all people to be saved, but at the same time I am guilty cause of the HATE I have for those who dont believe.
Now, it seems you have some serious problem...
I actually don't give a f@#k if you concider it truth or not, i simply posted a fact about Jihad, like it or not it is a fact. And i don't need a REASON to disagree because I don't care if the Imam didn't understood anything or if Rick lied because i just know what Jihad is about. And you yourself said you hate those who don't believe, so what next? It seems that you are the one who want all "non-believers" dead, not me.
Originally posted by S.C.U.D DF
Or Rick didnt make this up. 1. I know for a fact. 2. Your looking for reasons to disagree. STOP BEING THE F*CKIN PROBLEM.Accept the truth. I posted this so people can see the truth. And you can disagree all you want. You know it's true.
And it's quiet sad that our own government wont let us spread the truth. You think questions like these shouldnt come answered? Liberals are pussies. This is the shit that people need to see. People need to see the truth. Believe it or not. It's up to you. I have no reason to lie, including when it comes to my beliefes. I want all people to be saved, but at the same time I am guilty cause of the HATE I have for those who dont believe.
Explain off the top off your head what a jihad is, this Imam is a joke, I have personally met Imams who would never say that, it is ludicrous.
Tim Kniest, spokesman for the Missouri Department of Corrections, says that the Muslim in question was not an Iman; he was an inmate who was convinced to represent his religion when they couldn't get an Iman for the event.
And,
In fact I gave him a sign and said 'Salaam' and he responded with a knowing smile. Knowing that there wasn't any animosity between us.says Rick
Indeed,
His silence leads me to conclude that either he was ignorant of his faith, was caught off guard and speechless, or agreed with my premise and conclusion (which I think he was).
You didn't make it up, but you did Rick Mathes a disservice by making him look like as much of a reactionary moron as yourself.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Actually, a lot of apostels of Islam are not Athiests or Buddhists.Once you leave a monotheic organised religion, why the heck would you wanna re-join another?
You would have to ask them why they chose Jesus Christ over Allah. Actually, if you listen to their testimony you can hear for yourself why they made their decision.
Originally posted by S.C.U.D DF
Every Religion has it's own flaw's. There are extremest in every nation, every religion. But when the religion you believe in say's that all must die that dont follow our religion is wrong. It's that simple.Just to shed some light on the situation!!!
The Muslim religion in the fastest growing religion per capita in the United States, especially in the minority races!!!
Allah or Jesus? By Rick Mathes
Last month I attended my annual training session that's required for maintaining my state prison security clearance. During the training session there was a presentation by three speakers representing the Roman Catholic, Protestant and Muslim faiths, who explained each of their beliefs.
I was particularly interested in what the Islamic Imam had to say. The Imam gave a great presentation of the basics of Islam, complete with a video.
After the presentations, time was provided for questions and answers. When it was my turn, I directed my question to the Imam and asked: "Please, correct me if I'm wrong but I understand that most Imams and clerics of Islam have declared a holy jihad [Holy war] against the infidels of the world and, that by killing an infidel, (which is a command to all Muslims) they are assured of a place in heaven. If that's the case, can you give me the definition of an infidel?"
There was no disagreement with my statements and, without hesitation, he replied, "Non-believers!"
I responded, "So, let me make sure I have this straight. All
followers of Allah have been commanded to kill everyone who is not of your faith so they can have a place in Heaven. Is that correct?"The ____ _expression on his face changed from one of authority and command to that of "a little boy who had just been caught with his hand in the cookie jar." He sheepishly replied, "Yes".
I then stated, "Well, sir, I have a real problem trying to imagine Pope John Paul commanding all Catholics to kill those of your faith or Dr. Stanley ordering all Protestants to do the same in order to guarantee them a place in Heaven!"
The Imam was speechless.
I continued, "I also have problem with being your 'friend' when you and your brother clerics are telling your followers to kill me! Let me ask you a question. Would you rather have your Allah, who tells you to kill me in order for you to go to Heaven, or my Jesus who tells me to love you because I am going to Heaven and He wants you to be there with me?"
You could have heard a pin drop as the Imam hung his head in shame.
Needless to say, the organizers and/or promoters of the 'Diversification' training seminar were not happy with Rick's way of dealing with the Islamic Imam and exposing the truth about the Muslims' beliefs.
In twenty years there will be enough Muslim voters in the U.S. to elect the President! I think everyone in the US should be required to read this but with the liberal justice system, liberal media, and the ACLU, there is no way this will be widely publicized.
Please pass this on to all your e-mail contacts.
This is a true story and the author, Rick Mathes, is a well known leader in prison ministry.
Excellent testimony because it shows the stark contrast between Christianity and other systems of belief. Christianity is founded on Jesus Christ, Who is God in the flesh. And God is Love.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Excellent testimony because it shows the stark contrast between Christianity and other systems of belief. Christianity is founded on Jesus Christ, Who is God in the flesh. And God is Love.
If Christianity is truly founded on love, then why did Christianity spawn the Salem Witch Trails, Spanish Inquistion, Crusades, and the near- Native American extermination, not to mention share a responsibility in the enslavement of African Americans earlier in this country ?
The crimes done out of Christianity still surpass the crimes done by Islam...I love how Christians take NO RESPONSBILITY for the extremism that spawned from thier cult, but then you hypocrits are SO QUICK TO BLAME ISLAM as a whole for the extremism of terrorist Muslims.... 🙄
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
If Christianity is truly founded on love, then why did Christianity spawn the Salem Witch Trails, Spanish Inquistion, Crusades, and the near- Native American extermination, not to mention share a responsibility in the enslavement of African Americans earlier in this country ?The crimes done out of Christianity still surpass the crimes done by Islam...I love how Christians take NO RESPONSBILITY for the extremism that spawned from thier cult, but then you hypocrits are SO QUICK TO BLAME ISLAM as a whole for the extremism of terrorist Muslims.... 🙄
Well I personally have a go at muslims because im sick and fed up with them saying how peaceful Islam is when it isn't.
We all know about Christanity.
Originally posted by Alfheim
Well I personally have a go at muslims because im sick and fed up with them saying how peaceful Islam is when it isn't.We all know about Christanity.
Islam claims to be a religion based on Peace and Wisdom, while Christianity claims to be a religion based on Love and Salvation.
Both are flawed, hypocritical human organizations and nothing more.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Islam claims to be a religion based on Peace and Wisdom, while Christianity claims to be a religion based on Love and Salvation.Both are flawed, hypocritical human organizations and nothing more.
Well yeah, but at least in The New Testament Jesus didn't go around killing people. He fed the poor and healed the sick, can't hate that.