Originally posted by moviejunkie23
"People who use Jihad as an excuse to commit terrorist acts are extremists who are misusing their religion. "
"In the Qu'ran it says that actual war is only acceptible if someone is preventing you from practicing your religion."this is from the koran.....
"Slay them wherever you find them...Idolatry is worse than carnage...Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme." (Surah 2:190-)
looks like your not just going to kill people that hinder your practice of religeon according to the koran. It appears that they are instructed to seek you out and murder you. "slay them wherever you find them", this means not as a act of defense but rather when you find them kill them. These are directions from the koran.
"The only true faith in God's sight is Islam." (Surah 3:19)
I thought you said that they teach that christians and jews "have the right idea of religeon," it appears you are also misguided in this. How much more point blank can you take this quote other than islam is the only way.
here you need more for that point?
"The Jews and Christians say: 'We are the children of God and His loved ones.' Say: 'Why then does He punish you for your sins?" (Surah 5:18)
"Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends." (Surah 5:51)
that is from the koran
you say
"Islam also teaches that Jews and Christians are "people of the book" who basically have the right idea about religion and are treated as fellow Muslims,"
sounds like you are grossly misrepresenting islam in the very least
does not sound like that great respect you have described.
you have also said "Islam teaches peace and tolerance towards all people more than anything else."
"Seek out your enemies relentlessly." (Surah 4:103-)- koran
"Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them." (Surah 9:121-)
"Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them." (Surah 9:121-)
This is from their own koran. They are directed to behave this way. Sure there are good muslims that don't go around and slaughter people and are hate mongers of other people, BUT, is this what the koran teaches?? You have the peacefull muslims out there but the question is What does the Koran teach. Well according to the koran probably 95 percent of us in these threads( saying for the sake of argument 5 percent of us are islamic) should be killed. Don't try to water down what is written in the Koran. It teaches to slaughter those who are not islamic. People that kill in the name of islam are doing as they are instructed by there book.
I love it when people know nothing of religion but post "quotes" that are not even real or changed or cut in the middle.
My Koran is not in english so i'll try to translate it.
(surah 2:190) And fight on your way to Allah with those who fight you but don't go to far on your way because Allah don't like when you do so.
(surah 2:191) And kill them where you see them and expel them from where they expeled you because temptetion is worse than murder! But don't fight them near the forbidden mosque unless they start to fight you
For those who didn't get the point. This is a respond for idea that you must turn another cheek if somebody hits you. It means that is someone tries to force you not to believe in islam or if somebody takes away your motherland you should kill him because betraying beliefes and motherland is worse than just a murder. I believe majority of members of this forum would agree that if someone tries to take away your motherland or your freedom (like during the war) sometimes killing is the only way.
(Surah 3:19) Trully, Allah's religion is Islam.
It is true, Islam says that Jew and Christians have right idea of religion but some things were missunderstood or forgotten. I don't even know what your quote was supposed to prove. Yes, Allah's religion is Islam, that's what said in Koran, so what's wrong with that?
(Surah 5:18)
And Jew and Christians saiy: "We are children of God and his loved ones."
Say: "Then why He punishes you for your sins? No- you are ordinary people among those He created. He forgives whom He wants and punishes whom He wants..."
You tried to show it as an idea that Islam says that christians and Jews are bad, but the idea is that Allah can't have children or lovers, it points that neither Jesus is his son because Allah is not a human. Do you know why it's all said to Jews and Chrisitians only? Not to Budhist or anyone else. Exactly because their religious views are close to what says Islam, so I want to insure it never been said anything of killing anyone who don't believe in Islam.
(Surah 5:51) "You, those who believe! Don't take Christians and Jews as your friends" funny, you forgot to qoute that "And if you take them as friends you believe in what they believe. Trully, Allah does not lead those who don't believe in Islam." In other words-make sure you will believe in Islam not in any other religion because otherwise you turn from Allah. There is nothing said about killing or hating non-muslims.
(Surah 4:103) When you finish your pray - remember about Allah - when you stand, when you seat, when you sleep.
Nothing about "seeking your enemy" you made that staff up.
(Surah 9:121) little bit hard to translate for me but nothing about dealing with anybody.
Sorry dude, but you got it all wrong.
Islam was always about spreading religion and not by force but by telling other people about it. And if there is mentioned word "fight" in Koran it always about fighting back, fighting those who attack you. Or about fighting temptations. And that's about believeing in Islam only. People always kill, but when they do this is not about religion (unless they are crazy fanatics and believe so) When you look at seriel killer that say "i kill for Jesus" you can't blame christianity for that.
I'll say it once again, Islam was NEVER about violance or killing but about peace. And you are just another victim of the media and of people who just hate muslims.