Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Yes, the truths contained in the Bible are without a doubt undeniable Truths. God's Word is forever settled in Heaven.
What! Makes! You! Sure! They! Are! Undeniable! Truths!
Because after all your time here you say they only reason you believe they are undeniable truths is because the bible says what it says are undeniable truths. Reiteration: That just doesn't work. By the same token you should believe the Koran, and the Torah and, hell, Egyptian tomb art. Things that claim the truth.
Until you have some proof to support the proposition that the Biblical truths are undeniable I see no reason why it should be viewed as any more or less true then any number of other holy texts that claim the same thing.
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Bible/gods_word.htm
After the Bible of course, the words contained in the above link are the most powerful words that I have ever read in my life. He almost sounds like me. It is as though he took a towel (a wet one by the way), twisted it, then snapped it on the behind (in good Christian love of course, just joking) of every person who opposes and ignores the Truth of the Bible (God's holy Word). Hit the nail on the head is not a strong enough a cliche to use in this post.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Bible/gods_word.htmAfter the Bible of course, the words contained in the above link are the most powerful words that I have ever read in my life.
So in other words its just subjective. I get emotional when I read about Thor but that means Heathenism is right for me.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Bible/gods_word.htmAfter the Bible of course, the words contained in the above link are the most powerful words that I have ever read in my life. He almost sounds like me. It is as though he took a towel (a wet one by the way), twisted it, then snapped it on the behind (in good Christian love of course, just joking) of every person who opposes and ignores the Truth of the Bible (God's holy Word). Hit the nail on the head is not a strong enough a cliche to use in this post.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Then instead of telling me that they can "virtually" be countered why don't you prove it?
Don't say "prove it".
I've come to realize that the phrase "prove it" is a way of getting out of talking it through. No one is going to prove anything here. I don't think this forum is a "prove it" forum. The point is to talk about things, even arguing is better then the "prove it". We all have a responsibility to communicate and "prove it" cuts off communication.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Bible/gods_word.htmAfter the Bible of course, the words contained in the above link are the most powerful words that I have ever read in my life. He almost sounds like me. It is as though he took a towel (a wet one by the way), twisted it, then snapped it on the behind (in good Christian love of course, just joking) of every person who opposes and ignores the Truth of the Bible (God's holy Word). Hit the nail on the head is not a strong enough a cliche to use in this post.
Evidence the Bible is God's word:
1. Because it claims to be.
- Ok, it has been said and reiterated a thousand times here. But I'll say it again - that is in no way proof. A claim can not verify itself by simply saying it is true. It need supporting evidence.
2. It hits the nail right on the head concerning the sinfulness of mankind.
- And how is this proof? So the authors of the Bible observed mankind, and saw something any person can see, and then put words into the mouth of a God and had him talk about it.
3. Archaeology is in agreement with the word of God.
- Well, that claim is about as accurate, well, nothing. The fact archeology disagrees with things such as the Biblical flood, the age of the world, the nature of civilisations god mentioned, the creation story... way to lie there. And hasn't come up with any dirt to disprove the Bible? No, just none to really support it, and plenty that casts doubt on the claims.
4. The Bible is scientifically accurate
- This makes me giggle.
5. The Bible was miraculously written.
- So, I guess Constantine and his council picking and choosing his way through any number of books and bits and peoples plays no part in the way the Bible "miraculously" fits together?
6. The worlds intense hatred for the word of God.
- Well, that looks like a load of cobblers. Is this chappy saying doubting it is hating it? Tch tch.
7. The Worlds hatred for Christians.
- Yes, lets forget all the Christians hatred for the world over the years.
8. The attack from false religions.
- I knew that you couldn't quote a site that advocated unity amongst Christians groups. No, they all have to have at least one part where someone badmouths Christians you don't agree with. No wonder Christian numbers are dropping like flies.
9. The woeful condition of the world.
- Yawn. More self hating tosh no different from doomsayers that have yelled about the poor state of the world since... well, forever.
10. The existence of Satanists and occult groups.
- Garbage, and showing no understanding of the beliefs of these groups. Way to judge books by their covers.
11. The Holy Spirit is in my heart.
- That will be proof... when we can cut your heart open and see the Holy Spirit in there doing its daily Yoga routine.
12. All of the Modern Corrupt Bibles.
- Delightful, one of those Christians who fails to see the evolution of language. Sad, really sad.
13. Man wouldn't have written the Bible.
- Ah, yes he would have. And the reasons given there why he wouldn't of don't hold any water. Nor that no texts have not been written that give equal or better consideration to humanity. Why I can think of any number of philosophers who did just that, and wrote more then just a single throwaway line about how fundamentally bad people are.
15. Fulfilled Bible Prophesy.
- First of all: It is damn easy to prophesies after the event. Look, I just wrote a Prophesy about the War in Iraq... a few years after it happened, but its valid!
Second: A lot of those "fulfilled prophesies" are historically shaky. Or have no proof at all. But I forgot, the Bible says them, so they must have happened, ergo they are valid.
Sorry, but this is all little more then a house of cards, with most of it relying on the premise the Bible is true because it says it is.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Don't say "prove it".
I've come to realize that the phrase "prove it" is a way of getting out of talking it through. No one is going to prove anything here. I don't think this forum is a "prove it" forum. The point is to talk about things, even arguing is better then the "prove it". We all have a responsibility to communicate and "prove it" cuts off communication.
I got the word from you (especially you) and a multitude of others on this forum who are not saved.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You cannot say that I am not saved. Remember I used to be a Christian. Also, what word are you talking about?
Look buddy old pal, if you deny that Jesus Christ has been raised from the dead, then you are not saved (period).
Romans 10:9
that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
Shak, don't you realize that the opposite of this verse of Scripture must of necessity be true. If you do not confess that Jesus is Lord, and if you don't believe that God raised Him from the dead, you will not be saved?
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Evidence the Bible is God's word:1. Because it claims to be.
- Ok, it has been said and reiterated a thousand times here. But I'll say it again - that is in no way proof. A claim can not verify itself by simply saying it is true. It need supporting evidence.2. It hits the nail right on the head concerning the sinfulness of mankind.
- And how is this proof? So the authors of the Bible observed mankind, and saw something any person can see, and then put words into the mouth of a God and had him talk about it.3. Archaeology is in agreement with the word of God.
- Well, that claim is about as accurate, well, nothing. The fact archeology disagrees with things such as the Biblical flood, the age of the world, the nature of civilisations god mentioned, the creation story... way to lie there. And hasn't come up with any dirt to disprove the Bible? No, just none to really support it, and plenty that casts doubt on the claims.4. The Bible is scientifically accurate
- This makes me giggle.5. The Bible was miraculously written.
- So, I guess Constantine and his council picking and choosing his way through any number of books and bits and peoples plays no part in the way the Bible "miraculously" fits together?6. The worlds intense hatred for the word of God.
- Well, that looks like a load of cobblers. Is this chappy saying doubting it is hating it? Tch tch.7. The Worlds hatred for Christians.
- Yes, lets forget all the Christians hatred for the world over the years.8. The attack from false religions.
- I knew that you couldn't quote a site that advocated unity amongst Christians groups. No, they all have to have at least one part where someone badmouths Christians you don't agree with. No wonder Christian numbers are dropping like flies.9. The woeful condition of the world.
- Yawn. More self hating tosh no different from doomsayers that have yelled about the poor state of the world since... well, forever.10. The existence of Satanists and occult groups.
- Garbage, and showing no understanding of the beliefs of these groups. Way to judge books by their covers.11. The Holy Spirit is in my heart.
- That will be proof... when we can cut your heart open and see the Holy Spirit in there doing its daily Yoga routine.12. All of the Modern Corrupt Bibles.
- Delightful, one of those Christians who fails to see the evolution of language. Sad, really sad.13. Man wouldn't have written the Bible.
- Ah, yes he would have. And the reasons given there why he wouldn't of don't hold any water. Nor that no texts have not been written that give equal or better consideration to humanity. Why I can think of any number of philosophers who did just that, and wrote more then just a single throwaway line about how fundamentally bad people are.15. Fulfilled Bible Prophesy.
- First of all: It is damn easy to prophesies after the event. Look, I just wrote a Prophesy about the War in Iraq... a few years after it happened, but its valid!
Second: A lot of those "fulfilled prophesies" are historically shaky. Or have no proof at all. But I forgot, the Bible says them, so they must have happened, ergo they are valid.Sorry, but this is all little more then a house of cards, with most of it relying on the premise the Bible is true because it says it is.
Either you cannot count from 1 to 15 or you deliberately skipped number "14." It goes a little something like this:
14. The lie of evolution. The fact that evolution is taught as if it were a fact all across the world is evidence of man's unwillingness to learn the Truth. Evolution has no scientific basis, it cannot be tested or studied. Evolution is NOT science, but a mere theory of atheist conjectures. If the Bible is not true, then why is mankind desperately trying to hide his ignorance concerning creation. There is NO answer which makes sense except God. Please read "Is There a God?" Evolution is proof of one thing, that man is afraid of the Truth.
The Is There a God part is what you failed to respond to Imperial butter (I mean Samura. We must laugh together, if we can't do that then why waste time posting each other?) Anyhoo here is the link for the "Is There a God" part that you ran from (I mean avoided...I mean fled from...I mean...sorry, I'll get it right eventually) or just didn't get around to: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Basics/is_there_a_god.htm