How To Get To Heaven When You Die

Originally posted by sonnet
Wishful thinking did not create the sick state our society is in and neither is imagining it away into so called heaven gonna make it less real. I am not wasting my life, I have great fulfilment in my relationship with God and living life in a way that honours God. That means living my live to the fullest while growing spiritually. I prefer to belief the Bible on topics such as heaven and life after death rather than people like you who think they know more than God.

Tell me... did your God contribute at all to the state of the world you knock so? Or are you another one says all good things are attributed to God while the bad things, well of course God has nothing to do with them.

And really, heaven is going to be full of people. Now, look at the world today - look at the Christians. Are they perfect, even with God? No. Do they still do bad things? Yes. And all that - the people apparently getting into heaven are still people, not candy floss. And what about all the people before now - look at Christians in the past! How does God stop them being people in heaven? After all, by your logic the earth is horrible thanks to us people - and thanks to our souls, how does Heaven curtail our negative futures? Does moving to the after life in fact equal some form of spiritual lobotomy?

I'm 100% sure I'd burn in hell if I died tomorrow, and I do not care.

Originally posted by Mr. Sandman
I'm 100% sure I'd burn in hell if I died tomorrow, and I do not care.

You don't go to hell when you die, you come back here.

How to get into heaven:

1. Believe in God

2. Believe in Jesus

3. Beleive in Jesus's teachings

4. Be a good person

5. Pray for forgivness to your sins

Pretty simple 😬

Originally posted by Mr. Sandman
I'm 100% sure I'd burn in hell if I died tomorrow, and I do not care.

You dont care if you spend eternity in damnnation because you were to ignorant to apologize for your sins 🤨

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Tell me... did your God contribute at all to the state of the world you knock so? Or are you another one says all good things are attributed to God while the bad things, well of course God has nothing to do with them.

He's your god too 😐

Even if you reject him and his teachings he's still your god.

Originally posted by Grimm22
How to get into heaven:

1. Believe in God

2. Believe in Jesus

3. Beleive in Jesus's teachings

4. Be a good person

5. Pray for forgivness to your sins

Pretty simple 😬

Or do nothing at all, for heaven after death is just a myth.

Originally posted by Grimm22
You dont care if you spend eternity in damnnation because you were to ignorant to apologize for your sins 🤨

How do you know? Are you judging him?

Originally posted by Grimm22
He's your god too 😐

Even if you reject him and his teachings he's still your god.

God is not a “he”, and you cannot reject God.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You don't go to hell when you die, you come back here.

Says you, and last I checked you were not Dictator Supreme of the Universe.

You are spouting your beliefs as if they are fact. Your words are no more true than the Pope's or the homeless man on the corner of 69th St

Originally posted by Mr. Sandman
Says you, and last I checked you were not Dictator Supreme of the Universe.

You are spouting your beliefs as if they are fact. Your words are no more true than the Pope's or the homeless man on the corner of 69th St

What? I'm not the Dictator Supreme of the Universe? 😱

Of course I'm telling you what I believe as truth. If I didn't believe that it was true, then I wouldn't believe it. Why do you have a problem with that? I never said you were going to hell or anything bad. My words are no more or less true then yours. Why do you want me to state my beliefs as not fact?

Because they AREN'T fact, they're beliefs.

Of course my words aren't going to be true, what I type about religion isn't even serious anymore, for the simple fact that noone knows what is true.

Originally posted by Mr. Sandman
Because they AREN'T fact, they're beliefs.

Of course my words aren't going to be true, what I type about religion isn't even serious anymore, for the simple fact that noone knows what is true.

How do you know they are not fact. Reincarnation maybe an unprovable fact.

What is a fact to you?

Originally posted by Grimm22
He's your god too 😐

Even if you reject him and his teachings he's still your god.

Well, when he feels like proving such a thing I might feel moved to say something more then "bah"

Until such a time I don't have a God, just myself and the rest of humanity, and my fondness for Buddhism and Hinduism (which while I like them for conceptual purposes I can't claim them as a religion)

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Well, when he feels like proving such a thing I might feel moved to say something more then "bah"

Until such a time I don't have a God, just myself and the rest of humanity, and my fondness for Buddhism and Hinduism (which while I like them for conceptual purposes I can't claim them as a religion)

That is one nice thing about Buddhism, you can have it as a religion or a philosophy and no one is going to say you are wrong (that is, other Buddhists).

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
What? I'm not the Dictator Supreme of the Universe? 😱

Of course I'm telling you what I believe as truth. If I didn't believe that it was true, then I wouldn't believe it. Why do you have a problem with that? I never said you were going to hell or anything bad. My words are no more or less true then yours. Why do you want me to state my beliefs as not fact?

Because while Truth may be proven or unproven, Fact is universal. Something is not considered a Fact until its truth is discovered by all sources and then accepted among all cultures (or atleast the dominant culture).

You may claim your beleifs as Truth, since it may well be, and Truth does not need a witness to be true. But "Fact" needs validity and needs to be accepted by all before it can be called such.

For you to claim that Reincarnation is a Fact is just as Valid or Invalid as someone saying that Jesus's Resurrection is Fact, or as valid as someone claiming that NOTHING happens after we die as Fact.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Because while Truth may be proven or unproven, Fact is universal. Something is not considered a Fact until its truth is discovered by all sources and then accepted among all cultures (or atleast the dominant culture).

You may claim your beleifs as Truth, since it may well be, and Truth does not need a witness to be true. But "Fact" needs validity and needs to be accepted by all before it can be called such.

For you to claim that Reincarnation is a Fact is just as Valid or Invalid as someone saying that Jesus's Resurrection is Fact, or as valid as someone claiming that NOTHING happens after we die as Fact.

I think you've got that mixed up. Truth can't be disproved, because then it wouldn't be true. Fact on the other hand... There are facts which are not true:

fact n.

1. Knowledge or information based on real occurrences: an account based on fact; a blur of fact and fancy.
2.
-1. Something demonstrated to exist or known to have existed: Genetic engineering is now a fact. That Chaucer was a real person is an undisputed fact.
-2. A real occurrence; an event: had to prove the facts of the case.
-3. Something believed to be true or real: a document laced with mistaken facts.
3. A thing that has been done, especially a crime: an accessory before the fact.
4. Law. The aspect of a case at law comprising events determined by evidence: The jury made a finding of fact.

See 2-3, a fact is just something believed to be true, Truth is true by definition. Of course that doesn't mean that everything we hold to be true is true...

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Just to tie this into the actual topic - I'd say that the way to get to Heaven is by finding the truth, and then living by it.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Because while Truth may be proven or unproven, Fact is universal. Something is not considered a Fact until its truth is discovered by all sources and then accepted among all cultures (or atleast the dominant culture).

You may claim your beleifs as Truth, since it may well be, and Truth does not need a witness to be true. But "Fact" needs validity and needs to be accepted by all before it can be called such.

For you to claim that Reincarnation is a Fact is just as Valid or Invalid as someone saying that Jesus's Resurrection is Fact, or as valid as someone claiming that NOTHING happens after we die as Fact.

That is exactly my point, but I was hoping the other person would have fingered that out: truth and fact and not the same thing. If you look back on my first post you will see,

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You don't go to hell when you die, you come back here.

all I did was state my belief as a fact, but I never said it was a fact until I was falsely accused, then I was baiting and hoping to get around to the point that to state a belief as not a fact puts doubt on the belief. To say that someone cannot state what they believe as fact is saying that the believer cannot believe anything that cannot be proven. We all believe in one thing or another that cannot be proven, but I can’t prove that.

For example, you believe that you are alive, can you prove it beyond all doubt? Science has never been able to prove what life is. All we can do is detect life.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That is exactly my point, but I was hoping the other person would have fingered that out: truth and fact and not the same thing. If you look back on my first post you will see,

all I did was state my belief as a fact, but I never said it was a fact until I was falsely accused, then I was baiting and hoping to get around to the point that to state a belief as not a fact puts doubt on the belief. To say that someone cannot state what they believe as fact is saying that the believer cannot believe anything that cannot be proven. We all believe in one thing or another that cannot be proven, but I can’t prove that.

For example, you believe that you are alive, can you prove it beyond all doubt? Science has never been able to prove what life is. All we can do is detect life.

Technically, FACTS are man-made.

Truth is truth regardless of our knowledge of it.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That is one nice thing about Buddhism, you can have it as a religion or a philosophy and no one is going to say you are wrong (that is, other Buddhists).

Very true.

Originally posted by Grimm22
How to get into heaven:

1. Believe in God

2. Believe in Jesus

3. Beleive in Jesus's teachings

4. Be a good person

5. Pray for forgivness to your sins

Pretty simple 😬

What are Jesus's teachings ? Because st. Paul contradicts much of what Jesus himself supposedly said.

On top of that Jesus' teachings contradict the Old Testament...

so can i only pay attention to what Jesus said, and IGNORE the rest ?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
How do you know they are not fact. Reincarnation maybe an unprovable fact.

What is a fact to you?

There's no such thing as an unprovable fact. There is no 'to you'. Individuals don't make up their own definitions of words. Fact has a definition in English.

fact Audio pronunciation of "fact" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (fkt)
n.

1. Knowledge or information based on real occurrences: an account based on fact; a blur of fact and fancy.
2.
1. Something demonstrated to exist or known to have existed: Genetic engineering is now a fact. That Chaucer was a real person is an undisputed fact.
2. A real occurrence; an event: had to prove the facts of the case.
3. Something believed to be true or real: a document laced with mistaken facts.
3. A thing that has been done, especially a crime: an accessory before the fact.
4. Law. The aspect of a case at law comprising events determined by evidence: The jury made a finding of fact.