Superman vs. Shazam! ( Captain Marvel)

Originally posted by TheKahn
Are we talking whiskey or kids? 😕

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Originally posted by carver9
Jay garrick running speed is 2000 mps, Superman only showing of running speed is 2000 mps. Black Adam kept up with a Jay that was going all out.

From what I have seen, Black Adam and Supes is in the same ball park when it comes to speed.

How about you put up that Eclipso fight, where she takes Supermans body. Its some pieces in there that you might want to read since you think that Supes>Captain Marvel.

when did it show jay garrick running at 2000mps with black adam?

superman was weakened in the eclipso fight, so i don't know what you think it proves.

Originally posted by -Pr-
his other combat speed feats back up the stance.

in a slug fest, yes, which Superman KNOWS to avoid.

it's still a cheap shot, and thus invalid. a six year old with a crowbar could get the drop on me if i wasn't paying attention.

then you don't value tactics highly enough.

he hasn't taken superman's full on heat vision, which was my point.

I'm going to use your stylle of debating. Captain Marvel has kept up with Supes in a fight so that would make him just as fast.

How is Superman going to avoid a slug fest against someone that can close the gap EASILY. You also forgot that CIS is on, Superman is going to want to brawl, its his style and thats where he is going to get dropped almost every time (not saying this fight is a 10/10).

Cheap shot, HHHHMMMM, I could have sworn Superman was turned around on the first punch and honestly, it doesnt matter, the first punch alone almost koed him. He couldnt even hardly stand up.

Naah, its not that I dont value tactics, Superman tactics is going to go out the window as the fight starts because Marvel is going to close the gap IMMEDIATELY. The only thing that is going to be on Supes mind is surviving.

How do you know if the heat vision that Superman shot at cap wasnt a full blast of heat vision? Does the color change or something? Wonder woman fought an ENRAGED superman that was trying to throw her in the sun. This Superman wasnt holding back and he continuously hit her in the face with heat vision. It hurt her but she was ok and still fighting. If she was ok with it, I know for a FACT Marvel would be ok with it.

Originally posted by -Pr-
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when did it show jay garrick running at 2000mps with black adam?

superman was weakened in the eclipso fight, so i don't know what you think it proves.

They were fighting at those speeds.

Where in that story did it say Superman was weakened. Post it so that I can see it (didnt read it in a while).

Originally posted by carver9
I'm going to use your stylle of debating. Captain Marvel has kept up with Supes in a fight so that would make him just as fast.

How is Superman going to avoid a slug fest against someone that can close the gap EASILY. You also forgot that CIS is on, Superman is going to want to brawl, its his style and thats where he is going to get dropped almost every time (not saying this fight is a 10/10).

Cheap shot, HHHHMMMM, I could have sworn Superman was turned around on the first punch and honestly, it doesnt matter, the first punch alone almost koed him. He couldnt even hardly stand up.

Naah, its not that I dont value tactics, Superman tactics is going to go out the window as the fight starts because Marvel is going to close the gap IMMEDIATELY. The only thing that is going to be on Supes mind is surviving.

How do you know if the heat vision that Superman shot at cap wasnt a full blast of heat vision? Does the color change or something? Wonder woman fought an ENRAGED superman that was trying to throw her in the sun. This Superman wasnt holding back and he continuously hit her in the face with heat vision. It hurt her but she was ok and still fighting. If she was ok with it, I know for a FACT Marvel would be ok with it.

that's not "my style" or even close to it.

because superman can use his heat vision and breath at close range, and has done before, thereby avoiding a slug fest even if billy is within arm's reach.

it was a magically charged cheap shot. nothing more.

you can use tactics in close quarters. why is that so hard to understand? and no, superman would put his mind to beating him, as he has done with many other people.

because his full on heat vision has done more to more powerful people than it's done to billy when he's used it. she wasn't "ok" with it, though.

Originally posted by carver9
They were fighting at those speeds.

Where in that story did it say Superman was weakened. Post it so that I can see it (didnt read it in a while).

based on what?

being possessed by eclipso meant that he was either weakened or at normal levels.

Originally posted by Ming Tea!
The bottom line is in all out fight, KC Superman would kill Captain Marvel eventually. KC Superman was physically superior to Marvel. Marvel's only leg up was the fact that his powers were magic based. He even got killed from a metahuman hardened warhead. Superman was in the same blast and emerged untouched. The current Captain Marvel though, can beat the current Superman with supreme effort.

Close thread on the first page, when this was written. It's changed lately as Supes is tougher!

Damn, he got banned so fast that he's still online. 😆

Love ya whirly. 😛

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Damn, he got banned so fast that he's still online. 😆

Love ya whirly. 😛

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Originally posted by -Pr-
that's not "my style" or even close to it.

because superman can use his heat vision and breath at close range, and has done before, thereby avoiding a slug fest even if billy is within arm's reach.

it was a magically charged cheap shot. nothing more.

you can use tactics in close quarters. why is that so hard to understand? and no, superman would put his mind to beating him, as he has done with many other people.

because his full on heat vision has done more to more powerful people than it's done to billy when he's used it. she wasn't "ok" with it, though.

based on what?

being possessed by eclipso meant that he was either weakened or at normal levels.

I know Superman can use those things in close combat but its not going to make a difference with Captain Marvels durability. Superman already tried that with Zod and it did nothing.

I know it was a magically charged punch and I'm pretty sure Cap will be using a magical charged punch in this fight which would drop Superman. If two punches Koed him, I think 4 or 5 should do the job against a Superman that is paying attention.

You could be right about the tactics, that was one of the reason I gave Superman 4/10, so I'm not going to argue against this.

And Captain Marvels lightning has done much more to people that durabiity rivals or exceeds Superman. Now since we have showings of people in Caps durability range tanking Supes heat vision then its pretty much safe to say that Cap should be able to take it. By the way, lets not forget that Marvel also have magical lighting that he can call upon.

Where are you getting Superman being weak in that comic because he wasnt? Then that still does not change the fact that Superman said that cap can kill him with a punch. No matter how weak he was he acknowledge that cap can kill him with a single blow.

Originally posted by carver9
I know Superman can use those things in close combat but its not going to make a difference with Captain Marvels durability. Superman already tried that with Zod and it did nothing.

I know it was a magically charged punch and I'm pretty sure Cap will be using a magical charged punch in this fight which would drop Superman. If two punches Koed him, I think 4 or 5 should do the job against a Superman that is paying attention.

You could be right about the tactics, that was one of the reason I gave Superman 4/10, so I'm not going to argue against this.

And Captain Marvels lightning has done much more to people that durabiity rivals or exceeds Superman. Now since we have showings of people in Caps durability range tanking Supes heat vision then its pretty much safe to say that Cap should be able to take it. By the way, lets not forget that Marvel also have magical lighting that he can call upon.

Where are you getting Superman being weak in that comic because he wasnt? Then that still does not change the fact that Superman said that cap can kill him with a punch. No matter how weak he was he acknowledge that cap can kill him with a single blow.

when?

then you'd be wrong, because he's slugged it out with more powerful people than billy.

so you're saying the heat vision that cracked darkseid's force field is the same as the stuff that didn't fry wonder woman?

he didn't say that. at all. we've actually been over this. i even posted the pages for you.

Originally posted by -Pr-
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when did it show jay garrick running at 2000mps with black adam?

superman was weakened in the eclipso fight, so i don't know what you think it proves.

idk if 2000mps was correct but they were running together in the return of hawkman at mach 500...then jay began to steal his speed then BA began to stumble...making it apparent(or at least seem) that while running his top speed would be at mach 500.

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
idk if 2000mps was correct but they were running together in the return of hawkman at mach 500...then jay began to steal his speed then BA began to stumble...making it apparent(or at least seem) that while running his top speed would be at mach 500.

exactly.

2000mps >>>>>>>>>>>>> mach 500.

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
idk if 2000mps was correct but they were running together in the return of hawkman at mach 500...then jay began to steal his speed then BA began to stumble...making it apparent(or at least seem) that while running his top speed would be at mach 500.

But you have to take into consideration that Jay was stealing BA speed the entire time. That speed feat is irrelevant. That was the main reason he stumbled and that was the main reason Jay reached the speed of light.

Originally posted by carver9
But you have to take into consideration that Jay was stealing BA speed the entire time. That speed feat is irrelevant. That was the main reason he stumbled and that was the main reason Jay reached the speed of light.

which proves what exactly?

Originally posted by -Pr-
when?

then you'd be wrong, because he's slugged it out with more powerful people than billy.

so you're saying the heat vision that cracked darkseid's force field is the same as the stuff that didn't fry wonder woman?

he didn't say that. at all. we've actually been over this. i even posted the pages for you.

When him and Zod was fighting in space during the imperex saga.

I know he slugged it out with more powerful people but I posted scans on previous pages of Superman faced being busted up by Cap and this was a cap that wasnt even using his magical charged punches.

What I'm saying is that we have a Supes that went all out on Wonder woman and failed to scratch her with his heat vision.

I'm not going to comment on the eclipso fight because you have a habit of proving me wrong when you stress something and I dont want to troll (whatever it is you call it) so I'm going to leave that topic alone.

Originally posted by -Pr-
which proves what exactly?

That black adam couldnt reach his full potential since his speed was getting sucked up by jay.

You know what they say about arguing with intelligent people, Raoul.

They'll raise your intelligence to their level and beat you down with their own weapons.

Me hate Superman!

Originally posted by carver9
When him and Zod was fighting in space during the imperex saga.

I know he slugged it out with more powerful people but I posted scans on previous pages of Superman faced being busted up by Cap and this was a cap that wasnt even using his magical charged punches.

What I'm saying is that we have a Supes that went all out on Wonder woman and failed to scratch her with his heat vision.

I'm not going to comment on the eclipso fight because you have a habit of proving me wrong when you stress something and I dont want to troll (whatever it is you call it) so I'm going to leave that topic alone.

the zod with the armour? they fought for a few minutes, nothing more.

what issue was it?

and yet he has other much more impressive feats. he has more consistent feats of hurting high level beings with hv than he does of not hurting them.

for the sake of it:

i'd like to see where superman says marvel can kill him with one punch.

Originally posted by carver9
That black adam couldnt reach his full potential since his speed was getting sucked up by jay.

without knowing whether he even has that potential, how can we speculate?

Originally posted by Philosophía
You know what they say about arguing with intelligent people, Raoul.

They'll raise your intelligence to their level and beat you down with their own weapons.

Me hate Superman!

I love you though philosophia, thats all that matters.

I love you too.

I have a soft spot for people with mental disabilities.

Originally posted by -Pr-
the zod with the armour? they fought for a few minutes, nothing more.

what issue was it?

and yet he has other much more impressive feats. he has more consistent feats of hurting high level beings with hv than he does of not hurting them.

for the sake of it:

i'd like to see where superman says marvel can kill him with one punch.

without knowing whether he even has that potential, how can we speculate?

Rauol, you didnt have to post the scan, I told you that I believed you, you have no reason to lie.

I know but you cant use that feat as if it hold any kind of credit towards black adams speed when his true speed was getting drained.