Superman vs. Shazam! ( Captain Marvel)

Originally posted by h1a8
Even though I believe Superman is stronger than CM (potential wise) I'm not even arguing the strength point. So why bring it up?

I thought you were saying that despite Marvel's magical amp their punches would harm each other pretty much the same, so I assumed you were implying thats because Supes is physically stronger.

But like Iv already pointed out, the only time I remember Marvel magically amping his fists while fighting Supes was when he 2 shotted him. The other times their punches have been about equal to each other implying their, physical strength and durability is about equal.

Originally posted by cdtm
The "weakness" was established back in the 70's, with Black Adam using his own lightning on Captain Marvel to revert him to Billy.

And it makes perfect sense for Caps own lighting to revert him.. It's what the lightning does. So really, the "weakness" was established with the characters creation.

As long as Cap has to get in close to Superman to use the lighting, getting caught in his own attack is a realistic possibility. Nothing hamfisted about it.

On the other hand, both Cap and Superman should really be faster then the lightning, so they should both be capable of dodging it. The only "safe" way to use the lightning, is if Supermans already on the verge of defeat.. Use it as a finishing attack.

sounds about right.

Originally posted by carver9
When did Superman and Doomsday grapple? Am I missing something? Post a scan of this grapple please. Doomsday doesn't grapple, he punch and kick. You have nothing proving that Doomsday is stronger than Superman.

Who is the strongest, Namor or Konvikt? Going by lifting feats, Spiderman is stronger than Kalibak. Going by lifting feats, Grundy punches shouldn't even tickle Hulk. Going by lifting feats Colossus should be stronger than Darkseid.

Now if we have seen these two battle and they are pretty even "while both holding back", then that basically outrule anything you have said for the past 5 pages unless you think Spiderman>>Darkseid.

lifting feats are only one way to determin strength. However another way you can tell is by the way a character manhandles other opponents by manhandleing them. Doomsday and thanos are good examples. DD went through all the heros of earth like they were nothing. ANd the only reason supes beat him was the combined effort of all the heros doing damage to him reducing his duribility over time.

Originally posted by zeel
lifting feats are only one way to determin strength. However another way you can tell is by the way a character manhandles other opponents by manhandleing them.

Yes and since Marvel and Supes have faced each other many times and neither manhamdled the other, we are able to judge their strength is approx the same.

Originally posted by h1a8
DD breaking Superman's arm is a strength feat. Stop ignoring my posts.

Doomsday is a lot faster than Konvikt.

Why is Doomsday faster? What feat are you basing this off of?

Originally posted by zeel
lifting feats are only one way to determin strength. However another way you can tell is by the way a character manhandles other opponents by manhandleing them. Doomsday and thanos are good examples. DD went through all the heros of earth like they were nothing. ANd the only reason supes beat him was the combined effort of all the heros doing damage to him reducing his duribility over time.

Bull. You have no proof that he ha a weakened durability by the time superman faced him. That's just an assumption.

Originally posted by rotiart
Bull. You have no proof that he ha a weakened durability by the time superman faced him. That's just an assumption.

Yes. I would even say the opposite was true. DD seemed to get stronger with every fight he had, like the Hulk who becomes stronger the madde he gets.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I thought you were saying that despite Marvel's magical amp their punches would harm each other pretty much the same, so I assumed you were implying thats because Supes is physically stronger.

But like Iv already pointed out, the only time I remember Marvel magically amping his fists while fighting Supes was when he 2 shotted him. The other times their punches have been about equal to each other implying their, physical strength and durability is about equal.

No. I'm giving CM a whopping 1.5x damage for his punches against Superman's punches and assuming they have the same strength. This is an overestimate as on average they been shown to have the same damage to each other with their strikes. The extra 50% in the 1.5x is because of magical amped punches which affect Superman. So Superman would have to land 3 punches to CM's 2 just to equal the damage. So with CM's advantage here I am still arguing Superman wins because of his advantages (slightly faster combat speed, more skill, more experience, other powers).

Superman's skill, slight better battle speed, and experience should get him at least 3 hits for every 2 hits by CM. This equals everything out now. Now add in Superman's HV which could add to the damage he is doing with his fists and also slow CM down due to him trying to avoid it. Now add in Superman's freeze breath which would be used to slightly slow down CM in order for Superman to land more punches and defend against CM even easier and we see Superman with a hell of an advantage.

Originally posted by carver9
Why is Doomsday faster? What feat are you basing this off of?

Originally posted by h1a8
His feats of blitzing the entire Justice League (including Superman) all at the same time while. From many meters away and with one gesture he hit them all at the same time and they were several feet from each other to start with. After the blitz Superman claimed he was so fast he didn't even see him move (and that Superman can see bullets like they are statues). Also when Darkseid said, "Impossible." DD was about a mile away and got to Darkseid before he can ever turn around, while Darkseid has super speed and super reflexes. Then there are other evidences as well.

Konvikt tagged a blitzing Flash. That's greater than hitting the version of JLA that Doomsday hit.

Originally posted by carver9
Konvikt tagged a blitzing Flash. That's greater than hitting the version of JLA that Doomsday hit.

Originally posted by h1a8
No. I'm giving CM a whopping 1.5x damage for his punches against Superman's punches and assuming they have the same strength. This is an overestimate as on average they been shown to have the same damage to each other with their strikes. The extra 50% in the 1.5x is because of magical amped punches which affect Superman. So Superman would have to land 3 punches to CM's 2 just to equal the damage. So with CM's advantage here I am still arguing Superman wins because of his advantages (slightly faster combat speed, more skill, more experience, other powers).

Superman's skill, slight better battle speed, and experience should get him at least 3 hits for every 2 hits by CM. This equals everything out now. Now add in Superman's HV which could add to the damage he is doing with his fists and also slow CM down due to him trying to avoid it. Now add in Superman's freeze breath which would be used to slightly slow down CM in order for Superman to land more punches and defend against CM even easier and we see Superman with a hell of an advantage.

I can understand the generalities of your arguments....Even though they are baseless since you have nothing to back them up... So it's just your opinion like what we all post on this forum...
But why do you insist on making up numbers out of your... You know what.

Originally posted by h1a8
Gee I never thought you lie. You just lost credibility there bub.

Grundy has tagged a blitzing Flash as well.

Originally posted by rotiart
Bull. You have no proof that he ha a weakened durability by the time superman faced him. That's just an assumption.

Then how come so many heros died ,including green lanterns. How long it took so long to kill doomsday. Did supes muster up one final punch that had so much power that it killed a being more powerful then himself? And dont bother with the holding back bullshit casue that only proves supes is a sick phuc casue he had freinds dieing to this creature. As far as it appeared that he was getting strong through the fights i agree 100%. This creature had no feelings, no fear and was purely instinct.

Originally posted by rotiart
I can understand the generalities of your arguments....Even though they are baseless since you have nothing to back them up... So it's just your opinion like what we all post on this forum...
But why do you insist on making up numbers out of your... You know what.

So stop with the silly "making up numbers" crap arguments.

Originally posted by carver9
Grundy has tagged a blitzing Flash as well.

You lied about Konvict and thus nothing you say can be believed without proof.

Originally posted by h1a8
So stop with the silly "making up numbers" crap arguments.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I believe this statement exceeds the upper limits of irony.

Lol. 👆

Originally posted by h1a8
You are confusing random numbers with upper bounds. Anyone can assign a CORRECT upper bound to someone's quantifiable physical ability. For example, Spidey can lift less than a million tons. CM can't hit harder than 1.5 times of what Superman can. This is a comic fact.

So stop with the silly "making up numbers" crap arguments.

There is no fact. You make up numbers.

You've made up so many lies since you've been ere you've ended up confusing yourself.

So I won't stop pointing out your baseless lies.

Thanks for playing.

I'm surprised there isn't a poll to this thread