General Grievous vs Darth Maul

Answer this question for yourelf: Why would Palps just sit there and wait for the council to come? He knew what he had to deal with becuase it was what he forseena and expected! If he didn't he could have left right when Anakin said he was going to be arrested.
Wow, nice one, Vassalo!
Yes, he did get close to killing Sidious.
When?
Palpatine isn't shown saying anything to signify that he was faking, nor do we see him "call" to Anakin.
You've used this multiple times and I'm sick of using the same response so this will be the last time: Why the **** would he say anything? It wouldn't acclompish anything.
This is akward because Nick Gillard states that his character knows form III.
Cin Drallig? Hmm........ when did he say this. Because the official site says: Nick Gillard didn't create the 7 forms and he also got a little upset when he wasn't consulted when the 7 Forms were first published, that is all EU. When asked about Vaapad (Form VII) in a Celebrity chat, Mr. Gillard was unaware of it's existence and he said that Mace would not be using it in EPIII.

Mace did seem to be fighting differently in ROTS than in AOTC...

Originally posted by TraptUnderIce
He was close but Sidious didn't care because he knew Anakin was on his way. What does it matter what Nick Gillard thinks? Since Nick Gillard didn't write all the EU Novels do they not count anymore?

I agree with what you said. Nick Gillard was aware that there was no such thing as "Vapaad". But there is a Form VII! Vapaad isn't the name for it. Form I-VII DO EXIST IN THE SWU!!!!!

Mace was close to killing Sidious. He had him cornered and Sidious was ready to die. He begged for his life because he knew if he died, he would not be able to turn Anakin to make him conquer the Galaxy with him.

Sidious knew Anakin was coming, but that does not change the fact that he was having significant trouble dealing out Mace.

I guess your not the only one who has to repeat yourself, DarthSith19.

THERE IS NO PROOF HE FAKED IT! Maybe if he said something to Anakin to let him know or to say "I am but toying with you, Mace" then there would be proof, otherwise, Kiss it.

Well I know Nick Gillard personally and he said different.

Originally posted by TraptUnderIce
Well I know Nick Gillard personally and he said different.

Oh my god.... Just go away.

Grevious by a long shot!

Originally posted by LordSorgo
Sidious knew Anakin was coming

dude, you let your strongest card fall.....YES, he did know Anakin was coming. Before you said he didn't know shit and just got lucky.

If he knew Anakin was coming (like we've been trying to tell you) he ALSO knew that the councile was coming before him. And if he knew that he knew that he had to time this perfectly in order to turn Anakin fully.

Now if Sids killed Mace - Anakin would have killed Sidious because he knew that Mace could not handle Sids by himself (remember "Master Windu, Palpatine is very powerful, you WILL need my help."😉

BUT if Sids made it look like Mace was going against the Jedi Order and was going to kill him, Anakin would save him for Padme.

This should be end of argument, there is NO valid retortion to this....SORRY

Originally posted by dark1365
Grevious by a long shot!

haha...no

Originally posted by DarthVasallo
dude, you let your strongest card fall.....YES, he did know Anakin was coming. Before you said he didn't know shit and just got lucky.

If he knew Anakin was coming (like we've been trying to tell you) he ALSO knew that the councile was coming before him. And if he knew that he knew that he had to time this perfectly in order to turn Anakin fully.

Now if Sids killed Mace - Anakin would have killed Sidious because he knew that Mace could not handle Sids by himself (remember "Master Windu, Palpatine is very powerful, you WILL need my help."😉

BUT if Sids made it look like Mace was going against the Jedi Order and was going to kill him, Anakin would save him for Padme.

This should be end of argument, there is NO valid retortion to this....SORRY

Your apology is accepted but it doesn't take a force user who sees the future to have known that Anakin was coming. It was obvious enough. I still don't believe he saw Anakin coming i am just playing everybodies cards from all points of view. And he did not see the Council coming. That is bullshit, and even if he did, which i highly doubt, this does not change the fact he had trouble with Mace.

Anakin saved Palpatine.

hello Im not as thunk as you drought I was....that took like 5 redos there okay yes I am...but anyway grevious vs maul...I think maul would take him if surroundings were right....Maul was trained to fight defensivly ....he took on two jedi and Im sure Sids taught him to fight many jedi at once...grevious = 4 jedi with them mech arms...but defense style is what took off his mech hands...maul woulda murdalized him! Force sensativity of Grievous is one thing I wonder though since he got blood from ole syfo?...

Mace did seem to be fighting differently in ROTS than in AOTC...
1. That's because he was fighting droids and Jango, not Sith Lords. That's because he wasn't saber dueling.
2. So what?
Form I-VII DO EXIST IN THE SWU!!!!!
1. If NG really said Cin Drallig has form 3 lightsaber combat then for sure 1-3 exist but 7 doesn't. Who knows about 4-6.
Mace was close to killing Sidious.
Uh, huh.
He had him cornered and Sidious was ready to die.
Sidious was no where nere close to dying in that scene pal. As I have stated time and time again if Anakin didn't help him he could have used lightning to stop the blade or simply dodged the saber and then used the Force to get one of the fallen Jedi's sabers. So re really wasn't even in a bad position. As a matter of fact, he was right where he wanted to be.
He begged for his life because he knew if he died, he would not be able to turn Anakin to make him conquer the Galaxy with him.
No, he begged for his life to turn Anakin. If you really fell for that bullshit whimper of Sidious's, which made the entire theater I was at laugh, then you are really dumb.
THERE IS NO PROOF HE FAKED IT!
More proof he faked it than proof he didn't fake it.
Maybe if he said something to Anakin to let him know
WHY WOULD HE DO THAT!!!!?
or to say "I am but toying with you, Mace"
He had careful planning to do, dipstick. He had to time to talk.
Well I know Nick Gillard personally and he said different.
Awesome! Where did you meet him?
Oh my god.... Just go away.
No, stay here. He just wants you to go away because you prove everything he says is wrong.

Wow, Vasallo, that was wicked.
it doesn't take a force user who sees the future to have known that Anakin was coming.
LOL, Mace didn't know so I guess this is just another lie.
I still don't believe he saw Anakin coming i am just playing everybodies cards from all points of view.
Sure, sure.
And he did not see the Council coming.
it doesn't take a force user who sees the future to have known that the Council was coming, seeing as Anakin told Sidious they were.
Anakin saved Palpatine.
You blind, stupid sack of shit!

LordSorbet Soggy whatever...you got worked...just look in the mirror...cry and then bow down to me

FYI, here's what I said on TFN: Sidious let Mace win. Think about it. The battle starts. While fending off Mace Sidious takes out 3 Jedi Masters like they're nothing. While fending off Mace. That right there should tell you Mace would be no problem for him if he was planning on killing him straight up. His moves are a lot choppier than they are in the Yoda duel which also indicates he's not trying. Remember what Qui-Gon said, "Nothing happens by accident." so Anakin coming into the room the second after Sidious appears to have lost is not a coincidence, it was careful timing on Sidious's part. Anakin wouldn't turn unless he saved Sidious, which wouldn't heppen unless it seemed Sidious was done for. Sidious made himself look weak and feeble and helpless by taking off his mask and making Anakin think it was the lightning that disfigured his face. Then Anakin turns to the Dark Side and kills Mace. Sidious immediately hits Mace with all he's got and Mace is a goner.

Palpatine doesn't look at all surprised Anakin turned or ruffled about his encounter. When he';s pleading for Anakin to help him it's so fake it's funny.

Another point to consider is that even if Anakin hadn't "saved" Sidious he wouldn't have died. he could have stopped the lightsaber with the lightning again or jumped out of the way and then used to the Force to get one of the fallen Jedi's lightsabers and finish Mace off .

One last thing: The databank on starwars.com states than Yoda and Mace are exactly equal in power and Sidious defeated Yoda so he could have defeated Mace.

All proof is for Sidious letting Mace "win" none for Mace winning. IMHO everyone who thinks Mace won is one or more of the following:
A. A Mace fan
B. A Vaapad believer
C. Someone who has read Shatterpoint

I am A and C. When I first saw the movie I knew Sidious could have won but didn't want to believe that he is strong enough to defeat 4 strong Jedi Masters at the same time. I also had thought for a long time that Mace is the strongest character in the saga. But people started shoing me evidence that I was wrong and I had nothing to fight back with so I decided I would have to believe that which I didn't want to. So I came to accept that Sidious could have defeated 4 strong Jedi Masters at the same time, one of which included Mace Windu.

Originally posted by darthsith19
[B]Mace did seem to be fighting differently in ROTS than in AOTC...
1. That's because he was fighting droids and Jango, not Sith Lords. That's because he wasn't saber dueling.
2. So what?
Form I-VII DO EXIST IN THE SWU!!!!!
1. If NG really said Cin Drallig has form 3 lightsaber combat then for sure 1-3 exist but 7 doesn't. Who knows about 4-6.
Mace was close to killing Sidious.
Uh, huh.
He had him cornered and Sidious was ready to die.
Sidious was no where nere close to dying in that scene pal. As I have stated time and time again if Anakin didn't help him he could have used lightning to stop the blade or simply dodged the saber and then used the Force to get one of the fallen Jedi's sabers. So re really wasn't even in a bad position. As a matter of fact, he was right where he wanted to be.
He begged for his life because he knew if he died, he would not be able to turn Anakin to make him conquer the Galaxy with him.
No, he begged for his life to turn Anakin. If you really fell for that bullshit whimper of Sidious's, which made the entire theater I was at laugh, then you are really dumb.
THERE IS NO PROOF HE FAKED IT!
More proof he faked it than proof he didn't fake it.
Maybe if he said something to Anakin to let him know
WHY WOULD HE DO THAT!!!!?
or to say "I am but toying with you, Mace"
He had careful planning to do, dipstick. He had to time to talk.
Well I know Nick Gillard personally and he said different.
Awesome! Where did you meet him?
Oh my god.... Just go away.
No, stay here. He just wants you to go away because you prove everything he says is wrong.

Wow, Vasallo, that was wicked.
it doesn't take a force user who sees the future to have known that Anakin was coming.
LOL, Mace didn't know so I guess this is just another lie.
I still don't believe he saw Anakin coming i am just playing everybodies cards from all points of view.
Sure, sure.
And he did not see the Council coming.
it doesn't take a force user who sees the future to have known that the Council was coming, seeing as Anakin told Sidious they were.
Anakin saved Palpatine.
You blind, stupid sack of shit! [/B]

"More proof he faked it than proof he didn't fake it."

This is not true. You say there is just as much proof that Sidious was faking it as to Mace kicking Sidious' ass. Wrong. Here is some proof that Sidious was not faking it.
1. Sidious, the dark Sith Lord, cried like a baby as his Lightsaber got thrashed out of a window.
2. Sidious tried to kill Mace when Anakin was in the room by using Force Lightning on him. THIS IS YET ANOTHER EXAMPLE of how Sidious wanted Mace dead by his own hands! It didn't work, because Mace reflected the lightning with his Saber, revealing Palpatine's true face, or scarring it horribly. (whichever one. Probably the first one)

Proof that Sidious was faking it:
1. Empty.
2. Empty.

Anakin then saved Sidious by chopping Mace's paws. Sidious finished what he wanted to do initially, and blasted Mace fifty feet clean out of the window. Then Sidious got his knickers in a knot and told Anakin that every Jedi was an enemy to the republic.

"if Anakin didn't help him he could have used lightning to stop the blade or simply dodged the saber and then used the Force to get one of the fallen Jedi's sabers. So re really wasn't even in a bad position. As a matter of fact, he was right where he wanted to be."

That is such a line of f*cking turd!

The people at your theater were probably laughing because they watched as a Sith Lord begged for his life.

"He had careful planning to do, dipstick. He had to time to talk."

F*ck man, i have heard better excuses from eight year olds.

"No, stay here. He just wants you to go away because you prove everything he says is wrong."

Uh, moron, i told him to go away because he said he knew Nick Gillard, which i highly doubt.

Originally posted by darthsith19
FYI, here's what I said on TFN: Sidious let Mace win. Think about it. The battle starts. While fending off Mace Sidious takes out 3 Jedi Masters like they're nothing. While fending off Mace. That right there should tell you Mace would be no problem for him if he was planning on killing him straight up. His moves are a lot choppier than they are in the Yoda duel which also indicates he's not trying. Remember what Qui-Gon said, "Nothing happens by accident." so Anakin coming into the room the second after Sidious appears to have lost is not a coincidence, it was careful timing on Sidious's part. Anakin wouldn't turn unless he saved Sidious, which wouldn't heppen unless it seemed Sidious was done for. Sidious made himself look weak and feeble and helpless by taking off his mask and making Anakin think it was the lightning that disfigured his face. Then Anakin turns to the Dark Side and kills Mace. Sidious immediately hits Mace with all he's got and Mace is a goner.

Palpatine doesn't look at all surprised Anakin turned or ruffled about his encounter. When he';s pleading for Anakin to help him it's so fake it's funny.

Another point to consider is that even if Anakin hadn't "saved" Sidious he wouldn't have died. he could have stopped the lightsaber with the lightning again or jumped out of the way and then used to the Force to get one of the fallen Jedi's lightsabers and finish Mace off .

One last thing: The databank on starwars.com states than Yoda and Mace are exactly equal in power and Sidious defeated Yoda so he could have defeated Mace.

All proof is for Sidious letting Mace "win" none for Mace winning. IMHO everyone who thinks Mace won is one or more of the following:
A. A Mace fan
B. A Vaapad believer
C. Someone who has read Shatterpoint

I am A and C. When I first saw the movie I knew Sidious could have won but didn't want to believe that he is strong enough to defeat 4 strong Jedi Masters at the same time. I also had thought for a long time that Mace is the strongest character in the saga. But people started shoing me evidence that I was wrong and I had nothing to fight back with so I decided I would have to believe that which I didn't want to. So I came to accept that Sidious could have defeated 4 strong Jedi Masters at the same time, one of which included Mace Windu.

A: I cannot stand Mace Windu, and i am glad he died.
B. Vapaad is fake.
C. I have not read Shatterpoint.

"One last thing: The databank on starwars.com states than Yoda and Mace are exactly equal in power and Sidious defeated Yoda so he could have defeated Mace."

I am growing tired of repeating myself.

Obi Wan lost against Dooku, right? But Anakin killed Dooku, but later on, Obi Wan killed Anakin. Obi Wan killed Anakin because of Lightsaber forms and circumstance and as i said before Mace had a different style than Yoda, and maybe it was a more effective style against Sidious.

Yoda is supposed to be one of the strongest Jedi on the council, if am not mistaken, this is said by GL. If Mace and Yoda are equal, does that not make Mace more powerful than the three others who got pwned by Sidious?

This is not true. You say there is just as much proof that Sidious was faking it as to Mace kicking Sidious' ass.
Right, as there's no proof Mace was kicking Sidious's ass.
Wrong. Here is some proof that Sidious was not faking it.
Oh man, this shoukd be fun (rubs hands together).
1. Sidious, the dark Sith Lord, cried like a baby as his Lightsaber got thrashed out of a window.
1. Yeah, he let Mace kick his saber out the window. And, you dumbass, he didn't scream like a baby till after that, after Anakin got there. Him crying like a baby is direct proof that he was faking it. Why would Sidious cry like a baby even if he was about to die? He didn't scream like that in ROTJ. So this is direct proof he was faking it.
2. Sidious tried to kill Mace when Anakin was in the room by using Force Lightning on him.
He saw Anakin wasn't going to turn unless Sidious's life appeared to be in danger so he used the lightning to make Anakin think Mace was draining him of energy and Sidious had hopelessly lost. Then, only then, would Anakin turn, and turn he did. Tell me, Sorgo, if Sidious hadn't faked it how would he have turned Anakin to the Dark Side?
ANOTHER EXAMPLE of how Sidious wanted Mace dead by his own hands!
Of course he did, that's why he did kill Mace with his own hands. He also wanted Anakin to turn to the Dark Side. He found a way to kill Mace and turn Anakin at the same time so he took it.
Proof that Sidious was faking it:
1. Empty.
2. Empty.
Wow, me and Vasallo have shown you proof again and again.
That is such a line of f*cking turd!
Wow, that's all you've got to say, huh? What a loser with no proof. Can't even say anything about my comment.
The people at your theater were probably laughing because they watched as a Sith Lord begged for his
No, Sorgo, it was because he was so full of shit, just like you.
F*ck man, i have heard better excuses from eight year olds.
it wasn't an excuse, moron, it was the truth. What you just said, though, is an excuse and a horrible one at that.
Uh, moron, i told him to go away because he said he knew Nick Gillard, which i highly doubt.
How do you know he doesn't, moron?
A: I cannot stand Mace Windu, and i am glad he died.
Wow, you must really hate Sidious.
I am growing tired of repeating myself.
yeah, I know, Mace may have a better sytle of lightsaber combat, I was just porsting exactly what I posted on TFN.
Obi Wan lost against Dooku, right?
Twice.
But Anakin killed Dooku, but later on, Obi Wan killed Anakin.
What? Obi-Wan never killed Anakin?
Obi Wan killed Anakin because of Lightsaber forms and circumstance
No, Tyranus took Obi-Wan out and not Anakin because his orders were to take Obi-Wan out before dealing with Anakin. If his orders had been to take Anakin out first then he would have taken out Anakin first and gotten killed by Obi-Wan. That duel happened the way it did not because of the strength and saber forms of the contestints but because of the circumstances.
Yoda is supposed to be one of the strongest Jedi on the council, if am not mistaken, this is said by GL. If Mace and Yoda are equal, does that not make Mace more powerful than the three others who got pwned by Sidious?
Never said it didn't.

Mauls is weird...so Grevious

What? Maul would lsoe because he's wierd?! Hmm...

Originally posted by Gen. Grevious
Mauls is weird...so Grevious

Originally posted by darthsith19
[B]This is not true. You say there is just as much proof that Sidious was faking it as to Mace kicking Sidious' ass.
Right, as there's no proof Mace was kicking Sidious's ass.
Wrong. Here is some proof that Sidious was not faking it.
Oh man, this shoukd be fun (rubs hands together).
1. Sidious, the dark Sith Lord, cried like a baby as his Lightsaber got thrashed out of a window.
1. Yeah, he let Mace kick his saber out the window. And, you dumbass, he didn't scream like a baby till after that, after Anakin got there. Him crying like a baby is direct proof that he was faking it. Why would Sidious cry like a baby even if he was about to die? He didn't scream like that in ROTJ. So this is direct proof he was faking it.
2. Sidious tried to kill Mace when Anakin was in the room by using Force Lightning on him.
He saw Anakin wasn't going to turn unless Sidious's life appeared to be in danger so he used the lightning to make Anakin think Mace was draining him of energy and Sidious had hopelessly lost. Then, only then, would Anakin turn, and turn he did. Tell me, Sorgo, if Sidious hadn't faked it how would he have turned Anakin to the Dark Side?
ANOTHER EXAMPLE of how Sidious wanted Mace dead by his own hands!
Of course he did, that's why he did kill Mace with his own hands. He also wanted Anakin to turn to the Dark Side. He found a way to kill Mace and turn Anakin at the same time so he took it.
Proof that Sidious was faking it:
1. Empty.
2. Empty.
Wow, me and Vasallo have shown you proof again and again.
That is such a line of f*cking turd!
Wow, that's all you've got to say, huh? What a loser with no proof. Can't even say anything about my comment.
The people at your theater were probably laughing because they watched as a Sith Lord begged for his
No, Sorgo, it was because he was so full of shit, just like you.
F*ck man, i have heard better excuses from eight year olds.
it wasn't an excuse, moron, it was the truth. What you just said, though, is an excuse and a horrible one at that.
Uh, moron, i told him to go away because he said he knew Nick Gillard, which i highly doubt.
How do you know he doesn't, moron?
A: I cannot stand Mace Windu, and i am glad he died.
Wow, you must really hate Sidious.
I am growing tired of repeating myself.
yeah, I know, Mace may have a better sytle of lightsaber combat, I was just porsting exactly what I posted on TFN.
Obi Wan lost against Dooku, right?
Twice.
But Anakin killed Dooku, but later on, Obi Wan killed Anakin.
What? Obi-Wan never killed Anakin?
Obi Wan killed Anakin because of Lightsaber forms and circumstance
No, Tyranus took Obi-Wan out and not Anakin because his orders were to take Obi-Wan out before dealing with Anakin. If his orders had been to take Anakin out first then he would have taken out Anakin first and gotten killed by Obi-Wan. That duel happened the way it did not because of the strength and saber forms of the contestints but because of the circumstances.
Yoda is supposed to be one of the strongest Jedi on the council, if am not mistaken, this is said by GL. If Mace and Yoda are equal, does that not make Mace more powerful than the three others who got pwned by Sidious?
Never said it didn't. [/B]

DarthSith, you provide me no valid proof at all. There is NO PROOF except for made up shit. For example:

Sidious Called out to Anakin. When?

"Of course he did, that's why he did kill Mace with his own hands. He also wanted Anakin to turn to the Dark Side. He found a way to kill Mace and turn Anakin at the same time so he took it."

Where you reading his mind when he said this things? Or let me guess, It was "obvious". The f*ck it was.

"Him crying like a baby is direct proof that he was faking it. "

No, him crying like a baby is direct proof that he didn't want Mace to kill him and ruin his Master plan.

"Right, as there's no proof Mace was kicking Sidious's ass."

Oh of course not. Only the fact that he got him to the ground and had a Lightsaber at his face.

"He saw Anakin wasn't going to turn unless Sidious's life appeared to be in danger so he used the lightning to make Anakin think Mace was draining him of energy and Sidious had hopelessly lost. Then, only then, would Anakin turn, and turn he did. Tell me, Sorgo, if Sidious hadn't faked it how would he have turned Anakin to the Dark Side?"

He could have used ANYTHING else. Mace's death was just convienent enough for Palpatine to follow through with it.

"Wow, that's all you've got to say, huh? What a loser with no proof. "

I'm the Loser with no proof? That is quite a funny statement, coming from someone who doesn't have proof. Actually, you do have Assumptions and crafty stories... I like that!

Oh yeah, Obi wan didn't kill anakin. That was an accident, what i mean't to say was he chopped off three of his limbs and let him burn.
That's better!