Mace defeating Palps

Hi Guys! Have you ever thought of the possibility that Mace defeated Palpatine in lightsaber combat? There is that scene with Palps down in front of Mace and when he wants to strike him down, Anakin enters and stops him. Then Palps mentions the story of Darth Plaguis and his abililtie to control Midi Chlorians to create life and Anakin stops Mace from killing our most beloved Sith Lord. And then Mace get´s his ass kicked by BOTH Anakin AND Sidious. Any thoughts? 🙂

Originally posted by Darth Blender
Hi Guys! Have you ever thought of the possibility that Mace defeated Palpatine in lightsaber combat? There is that scene with Palps down in front of Mace and when he wants to strike him down, Anakin enters and stops him. Then Palps mentions the story of Darth Plaguis and his abililtie to control Midi Chlorians to create life and Anakin stops Mace from killing our most beloved Sith Lord. And then Mace get´s his ass kicked by BOTH Anakin AND Sidious. Any thoughts? 🙂

Very good thinking!
Look in many other threads, there's already been more talking about this issue> Look at the "spoilers from MF"-thread or the "Latest updates from TFN"-thread!

😉

then wtf is the point of 'the chosen one'?
it would essentially kill the overall story that anakin is the
only one can bring balance to the force. he is the only one
powerful enough to overcome sid's power. without that
element, the central character is stripped of much power
and significance.

palps will take a dive, since he knows mace cant touch him.
he will do so for the sole purpose of luring anakin to the dark
side. but he will be in control, at every moment. even when
he seems to be defeated.

yes

Originally posted by PVS
then wtf is the point of 'the chosen one'?
it would essentially kill the overall story that anakin is the
only one can bring balance to the force. he is the only one
powerful enough to overcome sid's power. without that
element, the central character is stripped of much power
and significance.

palps will take a dive, since he knows mace cant touch him.
he will do so for the sole purpose of luring anakin to the dark
side. but he will be in control, at every moment. even when
he seems to be defeated.

Or it shows Sids being weak and nothing without Anakin!
Anakin gave into the DarkSide and that's where it ends for Anakin being more powerfull than Sids, so yeah from a certain point of view Sids is very much in control.
Sidious is a very dangerous mastermind, but Mace Windu proves to be one of the most skilled swordsman in the order...I believe.
But yet again, we'll have to see in the end

the "chosen one" and "the will of the force" are very mystical concepts, closely tied to the idea of fate......the fact that mace loses the duel in the end despite being a superior swordsman plays into this nicely really, when you think about it....

Originally posted by guiro72
the "chosen one" and "the will of the force" are very mystical concepts, closely tied to the idea of fate......the fact that mace loses the duel in the end despite being a superior swordsman plays into this nicely really, when you think about it....

Thanks man 😉 !

the point im making is that the entire story pivots around anakin and the prophecy. palpatine is the ultimate evil and a master of the darkside, and only the chosen one can defeat him. and in ep6 anakin lets go of the darkside and uses his power to kill palps. he didnt fulfill the prophecy by turning good, he did so by killing palps. if he wasnt the only one who could, then like i said...wtf is the point?

what you say seems to assume that palps' ultimate power is only over those that fall to the darkside.

good point....well rather it was worded the right way. We all should know that it focuses on Anakin. Anakin has always been stronger than Sidious, he just has the edge mentally over Vader/Anakin. Thats the only reason why Vader was subservant to him. I truely beleinve that Vader caould of taken out Palps whenever he wanted, but until Luke came along, he never had a reason to. he did whatever he wanted whennever he wanted. Ok, so he had to spit out "Master" here and there, but he was the muscle behind it all.

Sorry, Subjekt, you are wrong, GL directly states that Vader has lost most of his power and so he would be very secondary to Palps at this point.

The Chosen one CAN re-balance the Force if it becomes totally unbalanced. Nowhere is it ever said that someone else can't stop it becoming unbalanced in the first place, if Windu comes close to achieveing this.

Indeed, if the story IS that inevitable then it loses all its point.

Not to discredit what you said, but where did he say that?

Commentary on the OT DVDs; Anakin lost his power when he became cybernised, and the Emperor never got what he wanted- hence the Emperor looking to Luke.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
The Chosen one CAN re-balance the Force if it becomes totally unbalanced. Nowhere is it ever said that someone else can't stop it becoming unbalanced in the first place, if Windu comes close to achieveing this.

then whats the point in the prophacy if any jedi has the potential to defeat palps? and as far as stopping the force from being unbalanced...the force is already way unbalanced as the jedi's vision is clouded, and palps runs the senate and has absolute power in ep2.

palps IS the inbalance...his very existance. as a sith, his only goal is to control the galaxy. the only difference between him in the PT is that he hides his identity...but he still controls everything. there is no balance. and if there was, then at what point is it lost?

It is BECOMING imbalanced, but it won't be fully so until Sidious wins at the end of Episode III.

"Anakin will be taken over by dark forces which in turn destroy the balance of the Galaxy," says GL- the second FOLLOWS the first; it is not out of balance yet, just going that way.

There doesn't HAVE to be a point of the Prophecy. It is just there as a possibility. IF the Force becomes unbalanced, THEN the Chosen one can restore it.

If Palpatine could not be stopped before that point it is ludicrous, totally ludicrous- he may as well just walk into the Temple and kill all the Jedi personally, because nothing can stop him. Instead he enagages in a massively complicated ten year plan that he takes great pains not to let the Jedi de-rail. By any logic, and by GL's words, it WAS possible to stop Sidious first. Just they do not.

very good points ush...

In one of the threads there's that interview with Samuel L. Jackson; he says that the he was winning against palps. Now whether palps was doing that on purpose or not we'll just have to wait till the movie or a big spoiler.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
It is BECOMING imbalanced, but it won't be fully so until Sidious wins at the end of Episode III.

"Anakin will be taken over by dark forces which in turn destroy the balance of the Galaxy," says GL- the second FOLLOWS the first; it is not out of balance yet, just going that way.

i dont translate it that way. the way i see it, anakin's turn assures palps' survival, since the one who could defeat him has chosen not to. at that point, since palps cannot be defeated, balance is lost completely.

"palps will take a dive, since he knows mace cant touch him.
he will do so for the sole purpose of luring anakin to the dark
side. but he will be in control, at every moment. even when
he seems to be defeated"-PVS

I totally agree PVS,

Any possibility that Sidious gains more power after Anakin turns to the darkside? Hence he is able to defeat Yoda....? hmmmmmmm. A thought........anyone?

but anakin wont fully turn until the duel...i think

he won't be turned at all.
he doesn't exist.
it's just a movie dudes