Mace defeating Palps

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
All that was, was a way to put a scientific explanation to something far beyond science. The way Yoda descibed the force was the best. So i personally dont think having less body mass has anything to do with power...."judge me by my size do you?"

I agree. the way the PT describes the Force is pathetic. there was absolutly no need to include midchlorians at all! I agree with PVS, Lucas just makes it up as he goes along. We we never given any indication that vader was weak in the OT. much the opposite!

More to the point.Sidious is probably just playin with Mace up to a point then BAM!!! out the window.

Well guys this is what i think,

Sidoius will fight Mace and it will a short fight, Then Anakin will Burst in the Room and Sidious will turn into his Palptine Figure and Anakin will try to Help him, since Palps has been the only one giving him support and Faith untill now. But When Anakin Trys and stops Mace he will argue with him telling hes Evil, But surely the other 4 Jedis who came in with Mace and Take Anakin?

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Sorry, Subjekt, you are wrong, GL directly states that Vader has lost most of his power and so he would be very secondary to Palps at this point.

The Chosen one CAN re-balance the Force if it becomes totally unbalanced. Nowhere is it ever said that someone else can't stop it becoming unbalanced in the first place, if Windu comes close to achieveing this.

Indeed, if the story IS that inevitable then it loses all its point.

Wow, that sounds dangerously close to what preachers do on Sunday mornings. Take what is said totally out of context. What GL said was that Anakin IS THE chosen one, thats why Palps wants him. Its not until AFTER Vader needs the suit that the emporer 'realizes he didnt get what he wanted out of Vader'.

The entire purpose of the Chosen One is to bring balance, thats why he was born when he was: because it was time for the Chosen One, things were out of balance which necessitated his being born. Mace couldnt possibly stop it because A) he is not the Chosen One and B) the balance was already off.

The prophecy of the Chosen One and its fulfillment is the entire reason behind the whole saga.

Originally posted by bilb
What GL said was that Anakin IS THE chosen one, thats why Palps wants him. Its not until AFTER Vader needs the suit that the emporer 'realizes he didnt get what he wanted out of Vader'.

The entire purpose of the Chosen One is to bring balance, thats why he was born when he was: because it was time for the Chosen One, things were out of balance which necessitated his being born. Mace couldnt possibly stop it because A) he is not the Chosen One and B) the balance was already off.

The prophecy of the Chosen One and its fulfillment is the entire reason behind the whole saga.

Sounds right to me........ ✅

👆 Bilbs

OK 😊

star wars is about destiny...finding and fulfilling one's destiny.
sure, palps is mortal like everyone else, but its anakin's fate to destroy the sith. thats why mace cant defeat palps and the reason anakin was concieved by the force. if not, then why else?

but yeah, i think we will see a smirk on palp's face ala ben kenobi in ep4. we shall see in 3 months 😄

bicker bicker... the truth is noone really knows what is going to transpire outside of the concrete facts mentioned in the ot... of course those facts were spoken mostly by an old man who is from a certain point of view a f@#$ing liar... and by the way, so what if george lucas is making this s&*t up as he goes along.. it is his story to tell and he's kept you bastards waiting in the wings all of these years for the completion of this masterpiece.. like it or not you will all buy your tickets like me for the show due to come out this may and then you will only have to discuss what you did or did not like about it... what i really cant stand is that most people think that star wars is only special to them and that only they can decipher all of theese cryptic facts about it to give them some divine understanding as to how it is going to end.... dont forget that theese threads live on and are not deleted after the film is released... there will be quite a few of you that will eat a big slice of the crow pie i have been cooking for months...discuss theese topics if you wish but please dont act as if you know it all about starwars because you probably dont know sh@t..........

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Originally posted by jediwilldaddy
bicker bicker... the truth is noone really knows what is going to transpire outside of the concrete facts mentioned in the ot... of course those facts were spoken mostly by an old man who is from a certain point of view a f@#$ing liar... and by the way, so what if george lucas is making this s&*t up as he goes along.. it is his story to tell and he's kept you bastards waiting in the wings all of these years for the completion of this masterpiece.. like it or not you will all buy your tickets like me for the show due to come out this may and then you will only have to discuss what you did or did not like about it... what i really cant stand is that most people think that star wars is only special to them and that only they can decipher all of theese cryptic facts about it to give them some divine understanding as to how it is going to end.... dont forget that theese threads live on and are not deleted after the film is released... there will be quite a few of you that will eat a big slice of the crow pie i have been cooking for months...discuss theese topics if you wish but please dont act as if you know it all about starwars because you probably dont know sh@t..........

Oh so sorry to offend, or do you not understand teh meaning of forums such as these? If not, let me enlighten you, ITS FOR SPECULATION. We actually enjoy coming up with theories and discussing them. Thats what the whole thing is about so if that is such an assault on your senses, find yourself a nice knitting website and let us have our fun.

I still feel that GL'll probably stick by the Anakin-less-powerful-after-his
little-accident-so-Palps-tries-to-replace-him-with-Luke bit.....
But then I actually like crow pie.... 😉

Originally posted by jediwilldaddy
bicker bicker... the truth is noone really knows what is going to transpire outside of the concrete facts mentioned in the ot... of course those facts were spoken mostly by an old man who is from a certain point of view a f@#$ing liar... and by the way,................

well guess we should just ask raz to close the ep3 forum down.
no purpose in debating star wars since you seem to have a problem with it.
hey, i have an idea, either put your ideas on the table or stfu. you have no humble pie to sell. if ush is correct, then i will gladly eat the humble pie HE serves me.

unless you have something to contribute, you really have no say in it.
so either put your ideas forth or quit playing 'holier than thou' and bashing on members, because its pretty lame 😬

Thats the PVS we all know & love!!!

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Originally posted by Ushgarak
No, that is just you backtracking to change the focus of what I was saying. That quote was not given in support of the main point. I gave it to counter YOUR idea that the Force was already unbalanced by the time of the Mace/Palpatine fight. That quote proves, as far as GL is concerned, that it was not.

So as the Force is not yet unbalanced, the Prophecy has not yet become a certainty, and so it is not necessary for it to be the Chosen One that kills Palps.

As soon as that unbalance has occured, only THEN is the Chosen One actually needed.

Any other option destroys the drama of the Prequel Films- one of the whole themes of which is "How does Sidious manage to defeat the entire Jedi Order?". This is actually shown in entertaining detail. If the actual ansdwer is "because it is physically impossible for anyone to stop him" you have just invalidated that entire plot. Luckily this is not so. Sidious is not magically unstoppable at this point- it gets EFFORT for him to pull it off, and it is not at all weird if Mace comes close to beating him.

OK Ush, if you wanna quote people, how bout this......"Remember OB1, if the prophecy is true, then only your apprentice can bring the force, BACK in to balance." Key word...."BACK" so wy say "back into balance" if its not already unbalanced? Sorry Ush, but the fact is that the force is not in balance in Ep2...so there's no way it can be in balance in Ep3..... 😉 .....oh, btw...."the darkside clouds EVEYTHING.", Yoda.....that sounds pretty onesided to me, and if something is one sided, thats means unbalanced.

WooHOO!!! Go Subjekt!!!!

Push it to the limit,oooh yeah.

Yup, its official, I have a troll. Oh goodie.

Originally posted by bilb
Oh so sorry to offend, or do you not understand teh meaning of forums such as these? If not, let me enlighten you, ITS FOR SPECULATION. We actually enjoy coming up with theories and discussing them. Thats what the whole thing is about so if that is such an assault on your senses, find yourself a nice knitting website and let us have our fun.

SWEEEEEEEEEEET........hahahahahahahahaha
😂 at Bilb and a most welcome speech!

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Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
OK Ush, if you wanna quote people, how bout this......"Remember OB1, if the prophecy is true, then only your apprentice can bring the force, BACK in to balance." Key word...."BACK" so wy say "back into balance" if its not already unbalanced? Sorry Ush, but the fact is that the force is not in balance in Ep2...so there's no way it can be in balance in Ep3..... 😉 .....oh, btw...."the darkside clouds EVEYTHING.", Yoda.....that sounds pretty onesided to me, and if something is one sided, thats means unbalanced.

thank you for pointing that out subjekt. yes, quigon senses that the force is out of balance. i believe that the sith's very existance throws the balance of the force off.

and yes, in ep2 mace and yoda declare that their ability to use the force has diminished. thats enough of a hint for me.

i think when anakin goes bad, that is what seals the deal. so long as the chosen one refuses his destiny, that balance will never be restored.