Superman Prime Vs. Dark Phoenix

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Incorrect. Dark Phoenix was the same being who pulled off arguably the greatest feat in Marvel (i.e the Mkraan crystal incident). After said feat she placed limits on her power to carry out day to day life as a member of the X-men. At the time Dark Phoenix Saga was written Jean Grey was literallly Phoenix it was her having reached the ultimate point of mutation however the DP Saga was a result of her good side imposing limits on her power, allowing Mastermind to slowly corrupt her, encouraging a dark side to her psyche which craved her former power levels. Prof X never defeated her with a mental attack as stated on panel he worked with Jeans good side to put back in place the psychic circuit breakers which had slowly began to wear away therefore allowing her to access her power.

hmmm, thas not entirely true. it wasnt the greatest feat in marvel{that would be thanos w THOTU destroting LT, eternity and infinity, along with the multiverse. and pheonix wasnt the only one who healed the mkraan crystal. even CYCLOPS with his optic blast healed it without the pheonix.
{oh n btw, zorn defeated her}

Originally posted by leonheartmm
hmmm, thas not entirely true. it wasnt the greatest feat in marvel{that would be thanos w THOTU destroting LT, eternity and infinity, along with the multiverse. and pheonix wasnt the only one who healed the mkraan crystal. even CYCLOPS with his optic blast healed it without the pheonix.
{oh n btw, zorn defeated her}

Holding back and then containing the power which would have simultaneously wiped out all realities of the multiverse is a greater feat than absorbing a single UNIVERSE (please dont make me bring out the scans to embarass you again) and its abstracts, beings who by canon are created by Phoenix anyway 😄.

In AOA Gambit and the Xternals issue 3 Jahf said that only Phoenix can heal the M'kraan crystal therefore rendering your point forever void. Unlucky mate. 😉

Come on Leon wha u got 4 me!! 😂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Holding back and then containing the power which would have simultaneously wiped out all realities of the multiverse is a greater feat than absorbing a single UNIVERSE (please dont make me bring out the scans to embarass you again) and its abstracts, beings who by canon are created by Phoenix anyway 😄.

In AOA Gambit and the Xternals issue 3 Jahf said that only Phoenix can heal the M'kraan crystal therefore rendering your point forever void. Unlucky mate. 😉

yea well gambit SAID it. while cyclops DID it.{see the difference} myh point is not void since it has already HAPPENED, n not been RETCONNDED. the ONLY feat of pheonix that translates into multiversal power is the healing of the mkraan crystal, n since even cyclops's optic blast cud do the same thing, ur case for pheonix beeing multiversal is gone{unless ofcourse ur gonna tell me next that cyclops is a multiversal being too............n i wudnt put even THAT beyond u}. u said urself while supporting pheonix that the 616 reality is connected with all others. n since thanos also destroyed LT, a proven multiversal being, it stands to notice that he wiped out EVERYTHING with the main reality{certainly proves that he had more power than the multiversal LT} that is by far the greatest feat in the MARVEL universe.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
yea well gambit SAID it. while cyclops DID it.{see the difference} myh point is not void since it has already HAPPENED, n not been RETCONNDED. the ONLY feat of pheonix that translates into multiversal power is the healing of the mkraan crystal, n since even cyclops's optic blast cud do the same thing, ur case for pheonix beeing multiversal is gone{unless ofcourse ur gonna tell me next that cyclops is a multiversal being too............n i wudnt put even THAT beyond u}. u said urself while supporting pheonix that the 616 reality is connected with all others. n since thanos also destroyed LT, a proven multiversal being, it stands to notice that he wiped out EVERYTHING with the main reality{certainly proves that he had more power than the multiversal LT} that is by far the greatest feat in the MARVEL universe.

Cyclops did it in a what if, then Jahf went an retconned it by stating that only a Phoenix can heal the M'kraan crystal. Your point is void your evidence isnt canon in light of that. Unlucky mate. 🙁 😂

Thanos absorbed LT and a reality. Phoenix has held in check the power to destroy all that is. Hands down the better feat. LT is multiversal in he has no counterparts in the multiverse. Thats something unique to his being, thats his nature, unfortunately for your case role doesnt necessarily translate into power. You have confused the two. Your problem not mine. 😄

So just to sum up:

your evidence was retconned when you were about 5 youngster

Thanos as stated in The End several times absorbed a universe and the fundamental forces. A feat which is beaten by the M'kraan crystal incident. Good chatting to you. 🙂 When you've got some good evidence come again 😉

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Cyclops did it in a what if, then Jahf went an retconned it by stating that only a Phoenix can heal the M'kraan crystal. Your point is void your evidence isnt canon in light of that. Unlucky mate. 🙁 😂

Thanos absorbed LT and a reality. Phoenix has held in check the power to destroy all that is. Hands down the better feat. LT is multiversal in he has no counterparts in the multiverse. Thats something unique to his being, thats his nature, unfortunately for your case role doesnt necessarily translate into power. You have confused the two. Your problem not mine. 😄

So just to sum up:

your evidence was retconned when you were about 5 youngster

Thanos as stated in The End several times absorbed a universe and the fundamental forces. A feat which is beaten by the M'kraan crystal incident. Good chatting to you. 🙂 When you've got some good evidence come again 😉

hmmm, thas just ur OPPINION again gs. n btw, pheonix healed the crystal before cyclops did. if U SAY that cyclops feat was retconned a long time ago, well then so should jean's every past feat before her becoming the white crown pheonix.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
hmmm, thas just ur OPPINION again gs. n btw, pheonix healed the crystal before cyclops did. if U SAY that cyclops feat was retconned a long time ago, well then so should jean's every past feat before her becoming the white crown pheonix.

Containing a multiversal power is a greater feat than absorbing a reality and the fundamental forces. Youre correct that is an opinion just like your view on the two feat sis an opinion however the multiversal nature of my favoured feat makes my opinion a whole lot more understandable. 😉

Do you even know what a retcon is Leon? 😂

I wont even bother to address that last line. Please for the love of god take a perusal of one of the multitude of dictionarys you'll find online. 😮

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Containing a multiversal power is a greater feat than absorbing a reality and the fundamental forces. Youre correct that is an opinion just like your view on the two feat sis an opinion however the multiversal nature of my favoured feat makes my opinion a whole lot more understandable. 😉

Do you even know what a retcon is Leon? 😂

I wont even bother to address that last line. Please for the love of god take a perusal of one of the multitude of dictionarys you'll find online. 😮

i do know what a retcon is, you on the other hand DONT. there is a LOT of difference between two comic books stating contradicting comments, feats and oppinions and a whole storyline or character's feat being RETCONNED. retcon is a huge thing, clear cannon definitions and EXPLANATIONS are given in retcons for past feats being FALSE or illusions or never existing. its not the same as sum1 just saying sumthing{without giving it significance enough to tell the reader that IT SHOULD BE NOTED FOR THE FUTURE THAT "THIS" DID NOT HAPPEN} that contradicts an earlier comic. for instance the way u take retcons, i cud say that when spiderman defeated firelord, it wasnt PIS, but firelord's powers were retconned at the point, but then later when firelord showed power anough to figt the surfer his powers were RETCONNED again. just like that, when wolverine stabbed thanos his thanos's power level and durabiltity was suddenly RETCONNED and then again when thanos went on to kill the surfer and take a shot from odin, his powers and durability were RETCONNED again. thas just ridiculous{but its the way u prove ur points} if we all go by ur way of looking at things{which is wrong in more ways than just this} every second page a character would have to be retconned.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
i do know what a retcon is, you on the other hand DONT. there is a LOT of difference between two comic books stating contradicting comments, feats and oppinions and a whole storyline or character's feat being RETCONNED. retcon is a huge thing, clear cannon definitions and EXPLANATIONS are given in retcons for past feats being FALSE or illusions or never existing. its not the same as sum1 just saying sumthing{without giving it significance enough to tell the reader that IT SHOULD BE NOTED FOR THE FUTURE THAT "THIS" DID NOT HAPPEN} that contradicts an earlier comic. for instance the way u take retcons, i cud say that when spiderman defeated firelord, it wasnt PIS, but firelord's powers were retconned at the point, but then later when firelord showed power anough to figt the surfer his powers were RETCONNED again. just like that, when wolverine stabbed thanos his thanos's power level and durabiltity was suddenly RETCONNED and then again when thanos went on to kill the surfer and take a shot from odin, his powers and durability were RETCONNED again. thas just ridiculous{but its the way u prove ur points} if we all go by ur way of looking at things{which is wrong in more ways than just this} every second page a character would have to be retconned.

Silly silly Leon. There are many types of retcon. You have mentioned just one of many. 🙂 Some retcons just entail the introduction or revision of previously stated historical elements/background details without explanation. Its effectively a wiping of the slate.

Here ya go son. Have a lil browse of this and then we'll forget about the whole thing. 😄

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retcon

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Silly silly Leon. There are many types of retcon. You have mentioned just one of many. 🙂 Some retcons just entail the introduction or revision of previously stated historical elements/background details without explanation. Its effectively a wiping of the slate.

Here ya go son. Have a lil browse of this and then we'll forget about the whole thing. 😄

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retcon

hmmm, if thats the case than why dont u take the reed richards creating a universe with the BUNNY as another retcon as all the things pheonix was supposed to do and be present in didnt HAVE her there. n it was just reed and the bunny.

play nice kids no need to get nasty.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
hmmm, if thats the case than why dont u take the reed richards creating a universe with the BUNNY as another retcon as all the things pheonix was supposed to do and be present in didnt HAVE her there. n it was just reed and the bunny.

Because if you actually read the issue (as opposed to posting ignorance based on a few posted scans) you'd see that neither the Bunny or Reed created a universe that wasnt what that title was about, it gave a reason for why there was existence i.e the Eternity coming to sentience and questioning his own existence, which heralds the Big Bang, the new universe. He never generated it, his sentience acted as a signal for the birth of the new universe, the manifestation of the Phoenix as established in the title a few months prior. There was no conflicting ideas, we were however given a timetable. 😄

Given the later release of the Phoenix bio which supports another origin (although still fortunately Phoenix oriented 😄 ) whether this F4 idea is supported by other titles remains to be seen

what is this cosmic bunny stuff? Sup GS still celebrating the living jobber's era comming to an end i see?

Originally posted by Mider
what is this cosmic bunny stuff? Sup GS still celebrating the living jobber's era comming to an end i see?

✅

Basically people were keen to put an end to this Phoenix talk and so got a bit over excited when a different origin to 616 appearred to be given in F4. KG posted a few out of context scans and everyone who has been opposed to me and Phoenix (non surprisingly including Leon 😄 ) lapped it right up. I actually read the issue and found it was totally different to what was being presented in the thread. I then presented my own scans and in the end KG backed down on the issue conceding he was wrong. It appears Leon is behind the times. 🙁

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Because if you actually read the issue (as opposed to posting ignorance based on a few posted scans) you'd see that neither the Bunny or Reed created a universe that wasnt what that title was about, it gave a reason for why there was existence i.e the Eternity coming to sentience and questioning his own existence, which heralds the Big Bang, the new universe. He never generated it, his sentience acted as a signal for the birth of the new universe, the manifestation of the Phoenix as established in the title a few months prior. There was no conflicting ideas, we were however given a timetable. 😄

Given the later release of the Phoenix bio which supports another origin (although still fortunately Phoenix oriented 😄 ) whether this F4 idea is supported by other titles remains to be seen

ur just playing around with words again n endin it all with smileys to make it look intelligent. there WAS NO PHEONIX when that universe was created, only the bunny. pheonix is SUPPOSED to be the creator of all abstracts and the universe. she WASNT there, the bunny WAS{n it doesnt matter WHAT the comic book was disussin n explainin, ur just tryin to use that to stray off of the topic since u know that pheonix wasnt there and didnt create the universe} and hence it should be{by ur own way of looking at things} a new RETCON. n the bunny should now be the creator in place of the pheonix.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
ur just playing around with words again n endin it all with smileys to make it look intelligent. there WAS NO PHEONIX when that universe was created, only the bunny. pheonix is SUPPOSED to be the creator of all abstracts and the universe. she WASNT there, the bunny WAS{n it doesnt matter WHAT the comic book was disussin n explainin, ur just tryin to use that to stray off of the topic since u know that pheonix wasnt there and didnt create the universe} and hence it should be{by ur own way of looking at things} a new RETCON. n the bunny should now be the creator in place of the pheonix.

Leading up to that "Bunny" story arc just a few months prior it was stated that the Phoenix Force is the energies of creation "the Big Bang". So basically because the Big Bang wasnt bird shaped your limited perceptions are refusing to acknowledge that it was Phoenix despite what was stated in the same title? 😕

If you knew anything about Phoenix you'd know that in its natural state it is just energy, the bird shape was derived from being in commune with Feron much much later.😄

Again to sum up:

There was a Big Bang.

The title stated the Big Bang is a manifestation of Phoenix.

Phoenix was there.

Good try. 🙁

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Leading up to that "Bunny" story arc just a few months prior it was stated that the Phoenix Force is the energies of creation "the Big Bang". So basically because the Big Bang wasnt bird shaped your limited perceptions are refusing to acknowledge that it was Phoenix despite what was stated in the same title? 😕

If you knew anything about Phoenix you'd know that in its natural state it is just energy, the bird shape was derived from being in commune with Feron much much later.😄

Again to sum up:

There was a Big Bang.

The title stated the Big Bang is a manifestation of Phoenix.

Phoenix was there.

Good try. 🙁

lol, and THATS ur argument, gs ur really beig pathetic now. pheonix WASNT THERE. pheonix isnt a law or equation, its a COMIC BOOK CHARACTER. it HAS to be there to be acknowledged. thats why its called the PHOENIX, a phoenix is a firebird symbolizing passion and rebirth in chinese tradition. if the firebird OR jean{which u say is the manifestation of the PHOENIX} wasnt THERE, than the pheonix force was not PRESENT. its only ur tiny little mind which cant comprehend pheonix not being all powerful, phoenix wasnt there, the bunny was. the bunny was the power of creation, NOT phoenix, in this case. thats it case CLOSED.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
lol, and THATS ur argument, gs ur really beig pathetic now. pheonix WASNT THERE. pheonix isnt a law or equation, its a COMIC BOOK CHARACTER. it HAS to be there to be acknowledged. thats why its called the PHOENIX, a phoenix is a firebird symbolizing passion and rebirth in chinese tradition. if the firebird OR jean{which u say is the manifestation of the PHOENIX} wasnt THERE, than the pheonix force was not PRESENT. its only ur tiny little mind which cant comprehend pheonix not being all powerful, phoenix wasnt there, the bunny was. the bunny was the power of creation, NOT phoenix, in this case. thats it case CLOSED.

That is my argument my friend and its a very good one at that. Why? Because its more or less conclusively supported on panel. 🙂

As stated in F4 the Big Bang that formed 616, that shaped Galactus and brought about Marvel as we know it was a manifestation of Phoenix.

There was a Big Bang in that F4 story arc.

Phoenix as stated by herself and even in her bio didnt become the bird shape we know it to be until much later. That form isnt her natural state. Saying the Big Bang wasnt Phoenix is because it wasnt bird shaped is ridiculous in light of the fact that youre told it was Phoenix and that that shape didnt come about until much later.

You have no support on panel whatsoever Leon. You've lost. 🙁

Leon you still havent read the comic have you? ❌

The Bunny never created/generated anything and neither did Reed. If you actually read the material youre laughably trying to debate over you'd see that they travelled back in time and relived the birth of the universe through Eternitys eyes.

Eternity came to sentience and this was the signal for the Big Bang. His actions triggered as actually stated he never generated it. According to F4 the Big Bang is a manifestation of the Phoenix Force. Nothing was stated in that title that contradicted that. In your eagerness to finally get one over me you lapped up the idea presented by KG despite having only seen 3 scans from the comic 🙄

Were you really so dense as to believe that Reed Richards out of nowhere suddenly became one of the most powerful beings in Marvel? 😂

there u go again. repeating the same argument which is UR oppinion and trying to take attention away from the facts. fact is PHEONIX WASNT THERE AT THE BIRTH OF THE UNIVERSE THE BUNNY/ETERNITY "WAS". im not saying reed had powers, every1 knows its through his genius that he accomplished it. stop talkin trash and yes, ur ideas are not exactly universally accepted, n even though u might have blinded some members into believin ur cock bull tales, many people dont believe u, they just dont argue with u because u bring up ridiculous tiring and never ending baseless oppinions into the mix, not to mention u warp the very meaning of the english language and then dont admit it, above all kmc is ur life n many peope actually have REAL lives to be bothered with ur baseless essays.