Originally posted by §P0oONY
Eric Clapton doesn't know a damn thing about his potential
He doesn't know a damn thing about his potential as a guitarist?
Read that back, then give me five reasons I should take you seriously. Because that's just an ignorant statement. It is what it is, he said it, so it's true.
I'll be chilling here.
-AC
I'm talking about ability in general, we don't know how far it reaches, if Clapton had unlimited time on this earth who knows what he could achieve as a guitarist, not him. W all think our abilities are limited but that doesn't mean it's true. I'm not talking about over a lifetime, I'm talking hypothetics; over an unlimited amount of time, there is no proof that your average Joe couldn't become the next Hendrix. If you can give me an ounce of proof to the contrary then I'd be very suprised... And I mean real proof, not this "Clapton says he can't therefor he can't"... That's bullshit proof.
Originally posted by §P0oONY
I'm talking about ability in general, we don't know how far it reaches, if Clapton had unlimited time on this earth who knows what he could achieve as a guitarist, not him. W all think our abilities are limited but that doesn't mean it's true. I'm not talking about over a lifetime, I'm talking hypothetics; over an unlimited amount of time, there is no proof that your average Joe couldn't become the next Hendrix. If you can give me an ounce of proof to the contrary then I'd be very suprised... And I mean [b]real proof, not this "Clapton says he can't therefor he can't"... That's bullshit proof. [/B]
Precisely, so WE should stop making judgement on his ability, and let him do that, which he has. You don't have the right to apply your ridiculously impractical "Anything is possible." theory to it, because it doesn't work. He has said he can't, he physically cannot, as in...cannot push further.
You're just pushing an outlandish philosophical belief in an area where it really isn't applicable. I'm not talking about hypothetics, neither is anyone else, because they're not applicable. He says he physically cannot do it, so therefore he cannot, and it proves that practice does not warrant you the avenue to acquire any level of ability you desire.
I could say "I would win a match against Brazil on my own if I got really good and scored more goals.", but I wouldn't because that's pathetic. So to say "Anybody could get that good if they became that good." is dumb.
The fact that no average joe, or not extraordinary joe for that matter, has matched him, is proof. It's not bullshit proof, it's proof that you dislike because you are being philosophical.
No need for it. Clapton says he cannot play Vai's material, therefore, he cannot. His word over his ability is the last word, not yours.
-AC
Urgh, I'm not lowering myself to a discussion with someone who can't get a ****ing simple concept, I'm not saying anything is possible, it's not a philosophical theory. I'm not saying that Clapton can do it, I'm not saying he can't. I'm saying that no one knows... Not unless Clapton knows something about the human being that everyone else missed. Just because Clapton thinks something is impossible about his guitar playing is, doesn't mean it is. It is not proof, you moron..
And I will not be replying to anymore posts... You have no argument. We're talking about different things. You seem fixed on the Clapton thing while I was using it as an example. It's really just not worth my time. I honestly couldn't give a flying **** if you wish to be ignorant.
Originally posted by §P0oONY
Urgh, I'm not lowering myself to a discussion with someone who can't get a ****ing simple concept, I'm not saying anything is possible, it's not a philosophical theory I'm not saying that Clapton can do it, I'm not saying he can't. I'm saying that know one knows... Not unless Clapton knows something about the human being that everyone else missed. Just because Clapton thinks something is impossible about his guitar playing is, doesn't mean it is. It is not proof, you moron..
Temper, temper, Sarah. Never follow the line "I'm not lowering myself to a discussion...", with a discussion. Rule number one.
Second, nobody knows? I know someone who does, Eric Clapton, and guess what? I'm going to take his word over his ability and his own limits, over your fence-sitter bs, cos you apparantly know nothing of which you speak.
You say "The human being" as though we are all the same. Clapton's mind is obviously different because he possesses ability to do things other humans cannot. I challenge you to go become as good as Paul Gilbert, Spoony. Go become as good as Danny Carey.
Come back when you can play The Black Page by Terry Bozzio and we'll have a chat.
Run along, little rabbit, you have practicing to do.
Originally posted by §P0oONY
And I will not be replying to anymore posts... You have no argument. We're talking about different things. You seem fixed on the Clapton thing while I was using it as an example. It's really just not worth my time. I honestly couldn't give a flying **** if you wish to be ignorant.
*Hands you back your rattle*
See you around the OTF or something.
-AC
Originally posted by §P0oONY
I'm not saying that Clapton can do it, I'm not saying he can't. I'm saying that no one knows... Not unless Clapton knows something about the human being that everyone else missed. Just because Clapton thinks something is impossible about his guitar playing is, doesn't mean it is.
The only way I can see Clapton's assessment of himself being absolute is if the structure of his hand/fingers physically limits him somehow. That may be what he is talking about. But the signal from his brain to his hand is just as fast as everyone else's.
No, he lacks the ability to play as fast as they do, it's that simple.
He cannot do it, and he knows more of his physical guitarist limitations than you or I.
Slash physically cannot play Van Halen's Beat It solo.
It's not even remotely true that you can learn anything you want, and if you want prove as to how that's true, go look at the posts throughout the thread.
Spoony won't be back, he's too busy badmouthing me on MSN to people.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
No, he lacks the ability to play as fast as they do, it's that simple.He cannot do it, and he knows more of his physical guitarist limitations than you or I.
Slash physically cannot play Van Halen's Beat It solo.
It's not even remotely true that you can learn anything you want, and if you want prove as to how that's true, go look at the posts throughout the thread.
Spoony won't be back, he's too busy badmouthing me on MSN to people.
-AC
Shut up.
Originally posted by 2D_MASTER
Shut up.
Why? Why not just stop reading my posts?
I swear you said "Don't try to make internet grudges with me.", you've been all over my ass since you came to this forum, cut out.
Originally posted by Ytse
How did what I said contradict this?
Because there's no need to go into brain signals or hand structure. Fact is; The statement of "Anybody can learn anything." is untrue.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Why? Why not just stop reading my posts?I swear you said "Don't try to make internet grudges with me.", you've been all over my ass since you came to this forum. cut out.
-AC
BWHAHAHA. I'm just playing with you. Actually I was reading everybodies post, not just yours ego-maniac. Sheesh man take a fawking chill pill. And its not like you havent been on mine. All fun, isnt it?
Originally posted by Ytse
If Clapton says he can't play it why can't we speculate on why? Cause you say so?
I never said you can't, I said it makes absolutely no sense to, as he has said "I physically can't move my fingers that fast.".
No need to be so presumptuous as to say "I think what he meant was...", or "He's wrong.".
-AC
Originally posted by §P0oONY
if Clapton had unlimited time on this earth who knows what he could achieve as a guitarist
I trust you see the rather massive flaw in that.
Originally posted by Ytse
Why are you assuming it's lack of ability other than a physical thing?Moving your fingers fast isn't a guitar skill. Being accurate while moving them fast is. But he didn't exactly say that.
That's what he meant, because the actual speed of finger movement isn't beyond most people. It's the accuracy and techniques accompanying the movement. Steve Vai's fingers don't move faster than you or I could achieve by moving our fingers in the air.
Originally posted by Ytse
Why are you assuming it's lack of ability other than a physical thing?Moving your fingers fast isn't a guitar skill. Being accurate while moving them fast is. But he didn't exactly say that.
Because that's what it is, because it's not just Clapton who can't play like Vai or Malmsteen.
Slash can play faster than Clapton, but he can't play Vai either.
The point is; "Anybody can play anything." is false. Not anybody could learn The Black Page by Frank Zappa (Performed by Terry Bozzio.).
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Because that's what it is, because it's not just Clapton who can't play like Vai or Malmsteen.Slash can play faster than Clapton, but he can't play Vai either.
I contend that those with natural talent will learn faster, but given enough time no one will find a natural ceiling for their ability. Look at some of the stuff Liszt wrote. At the time maybe five or six other pianists could play it. But he practices for six hours a day for the majority of his life. Now more and more people can play his compositions though they're still extremely challenging for the most part.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Because that's what it is, because it's not just Clapton who can't play like Vai or Malmsteen.Slash can play faster than Clapton, but he can't play Vai either.
The point is; "Anybody can play anything." is false. Not anybody could learn The Black Page by Frank Zappa (Performed by Terry Bozzio.).
-AC
Is this topic limited to rock guitarist? NONE of them can play like Segovia. Even if they lived 120 years.