Hulk's maximum speed is 700 miles per hour (he's at the peak of Marvel level 3.) Hulk can regenerate from a skeleton, so can Juggernaut. Iron Man overloaded Hulk with Gamma energy to kill him, Maestro was killed by another Gamma bomb... these are the only times Hulk has died. Juggernaut has been stripped of his flesh to the bone by Nightmare and he has regenerated.
What's false?
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Hulk's maximum speed is 700 miles per hour (he's at the peak of Marvel level 3.) Hulk can regenerate from a skeleton, so can Juggernaut. Iron Man overloaded Hulk with Gamma energy to kill him, Maestro was killed by another Gamma bomb... these are the only times Hulk has died. Juggernaut has been stripped of his flesh to the bone by Nightmare and he has regenerated.What's false?
Has Hulk regenerated from a skeleton? Where did you get that Hulk's maximum speed is 700 mph? Juggernaut's regenerating from a skeletong is pure hyperbole and is not cannon.
"Peak Marvel Level 3?" What's that? If Hulk could run that quickly (and he simply cannot. Lol, that was Quicksilver's top speed for the longest time) it would be on some of his bios.
Emma Frost's new ability (diamondform) is on all of her updated bios, for example.
Oh, THAT book?
Where the author, Kit Kiefer, begins by professing (in his own words) "The below-average fanboy's pet monkey's ear mites IGNORE more about the Hulk than I know."
THAT book?
Where the author says that Hulk's transformations were triggered when BANNER FELL ASLEEP? What the hell!? Anyone who knows anything (much less someone who is writing an ENCYCLOPEDIA on the character) should know that ANGER/STRESS triggered the reaction.
When he FELL ASLEEP!? My God.
Suffice it to say that, by his OWN admission, he knows LITTLE about The Hulk...
...and you are QUOTING from it? Hulk has never, EVER, in a comic book EVER run at speeds even NEARING 700mph. That's WRONG, and I wish people would stop saying it. He uses it "quite frequently?" Can you give me just one issue where he did it? I need to purchase it.
By the way, Emma Frost did not begin diamond form until Grant Morrison characterized her as such. It is a "secondary mutation," if you will, and a VERY recent one.
I never said that Juggernaut did not "regenerate" from a skeleton (more hyperbole, he HAS no healing factor), I said that his doing so is not canon.
Re: Hulk regenerating, that's interesting. Taking his healing factor to new levels I see.
How much do YOU know about Hulk?
Actually, much of the input in the book came from Jeff Youngquist, an "Incredible Hulk expert", if you will.
I think Kit was saying that most fanboys ignore many of Hulk's abilities.
Initially, Banners transformations were triggered by nightfall, not anger. He didn't specifically say Banner turns into Hulk when he falls asleep, he says that he turns into Hulk at night, which is completely true.
I never realized you were clocking Hulk in the comics. If Hulk never nears 700mph, How would he be able to chase and mount airplanes traveling at 600-700 miles per hour?
Hulk's speed is derived from the strength in his legs. If he can squat 150 billion tons, why wouldn't he be able to run at up to 700mph?
Marvel says Hulk has an upper Level 3 speed. Level 3 is maximum 700mph. Actually, Quicksilver could only run 175mph before Fabian Cortez's fully released his abilities. Now he can travel at Orbital Velocity. If you're wondering, yes, Hulk was faster than Quicksilver.
Juggernaut can regenerate by drawing power from Cyttorak.
If you can't go to Marvel for info on one of their characters, who can you go to?
>>>How much do YOU know about Hulk?
More than the average fan.
>>>Actually, much of the input in the book came from Jeff Youngquist, an "Incredible Hulk expert", if you will.
I saw both credits. They are still incorrect.
>>>Initially, Banners transformations were triggered by nightfall, not anger. He didn't specifically say Banner turns into Hulk when he falls asleep, he says that he turns into Hulk at night, which is completely true
True what, ~40ish years ago? Waaaaaaay back around Hulk #1?
>>>I never realized you were clocking Hulk in the comics. If Hulk never nears 700mph, How would he be able to chase and mount airplanes traveling at 600-700 miles per hour?
Erm, because the majority of his strength is located in his legs. He is able to jump into ORBIT. He is able to jump and overtake ICBMs in flight. Do not need to "clock Hulk in the comics," just need average knowledge of the character.
>>>I think Kit was saying that most fanboys ignore many of Hulk's abilities.
No. He was saying that the average fanboy IGNORES more about The Hulk than he actually KNOWS.
>>>Hulk's speed is derived from the strength in his legs. If he can squat 150 billion tons, why wouldn't he be able to run at up to 700mph?
Laughable. By YOUR logic, all powerlifters who can squat should be able to run what, 30mph? What kind of leap in logic is that? That's like saying "well since Spidey can JUMP 30 yards into the air, he SHOULD be able to RUN at about 100mph."
Says WHO? And why are you attempting to yet again apply real world physics to a comic book medium?
SHOW ME an OFFICIAL and CURRENT BIO that says he can run at 700 mph. Show me ONE instance in ANY comic book where it says that he is RUNNING at speeds even nearing 700mph.
Just one? How about 500mph? Or 300mph?
How about 100mph? Just one.
>>>Actually, Quicksilver could only run 175mph before Fabian Cortez's fully released his abilities.
Right on with the speed of Quicksilver. Was not Fabian Cortez, it was someone else with some isotope (unless TWO people "released his abilities."😉
>>>If you're wondering, yes, Hulk was faster than Quicksilver.
LoL. Issue number, please? When did they EVER race?
>>>If you can't go to Marvel for info on one of their characters, who can you go to?
So one grossly inaccurate guide is more important than the myriad others who say NOTHING about Hulk's allegedly running at 700mph?
And they still would not defeat Doomsday.
>>>he says that he turns into Hulk at night, which is completely true
Verb tense. Not so obvious to me.
The Guide is a joke. More like an introduction to The Hulk movie -- and that encyclopedia is hardly "official," the comic book is the only guide one would need.
And...hey...what Hulk aficionado would need this piece of tripe anyway?
If Marvel published it themselves, it is official. If you use the Comic book as the sole guide, In TIH #458, Hulk chases down and mounts a 757 in mid-flight. They travel at about 600-800mph easily. Hulk is also in the official Marvel Encyclopedia Volume 1. This book say the same of his speed. Perhaps it too is unofficial and "grossly inaccurate."
He says that in the beginning, nightfall triggered Hulk's transformation. It is very clearly stated, and if you knew anything about Hulk, you would know what he meant.
It is A guide, not THE DEFINITIVE GUIDE to Hulk, and it does NOT supersede what others have written about the Hulk.
#458, with Mercy? LoL, he did not "run it down."
He ran some then JUMPED.
Some mighty leaps in logic you are making.
He does NOT run at 700 mph. And since you love quoting the "official" guide, why is it that they fail to mention it there?
I know enough about Hulk to know that he has neeeever run at 700mph.
Et tu?
No shit he jumped, I said it was in mid-flight. It's a plane. Not so tough logic is it?
He would still have to be running at least as fast as the plane to catch up to it and leap onto it.
Is there a "definitive guide to Hulk?" If it's not written/published by Marvel it is irrelevant.
Level 3 superspeed is maximum 700mph
"If Marvel published it themselves, it is official."
and yet when Doomsday lays waste to thousands of the GL corps in an "official" comic, you simply discard it because you don't agree. WTF?!?!
where do you get off prohibiting DD'd powers and acheivments based on your like, or lack there-of for the character in question, that's ****ing ridiculous.
I've got some marvel trading cards that got stats on the back of em, I suppose that's connon to use as well since it's official huh? pffft.
Originally posted by jinzin
"I'd like to read this in the DC books - can anyone tell me where to start? Are they all Superman's or do they move around the character books like Onslaught in Marvel."Unless your interested in going on a scavenger hunt for a ton of comics that are probably all sold out anyways, I'd say your best bet is to go get the doomsday "graphic novels" from a comic store,,,,or possibly a book place. It's the easiest meathod to use.
thanks Jinzin - I will look for the graphic novel then!
Writing in a singular comic book, and an official Marvel Encyclopedia are far from equivalent. I'm not prohibiting any of Doomsdays powers. His powers are superstrength, durability, enhanced speed, and the ability to "evolve" (though the term evolution never pertains to an individual; mutation does.) Remember, in this fight if you die (once,) you become incapacitated, you are removed from the battlefield, or knocked out, you lose. Killing Doomsday isn't the only way to win.
Your Marvel trading cards are completely legitimate for the purpose of debating.
Why is everyone overusing (and misusing,) the term "canon" all of a sudden?
I say it is impossible for Doomsday to beat all of the Green Lanterns without resurrecting himself several times. Combined, it should be fairly easy for the Green Lanterns to incapacitate him. The reason Doomsday beat them is called "plot induced stupidity." The writers allow Doomsday beat all of the Green Lanterns so that he can prove himself (in the eyes of the readers,) a worthy foe for Superman. If Doomsday wasn't killed at least once by the GL Corps, I'm sorry but it was poor writing. Either that, or the GL Corps is absolutely nothing. Take your pick.
I have all sorts of bullcrap flying at me. "Doomsday is faster than Flash!" for instance, when we all know, Superman isn't as fast as Flash, and Doomsday damn sure wasn't as fast as Superman. Why don't you provide a bio for Doomsday to prove some of these rants.