HULK & JUGGERNAUT vs DOOMSDAY

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
No shit he jumped, I said it was in mid-flight. It's a plane. Not so tough logic is it?

He would still have to be running at least as fast as the plane to catch up to it and leap onto it.

Is there a "definitive guide to Hulk?" If it's not written/published by Marvel it is irrelevant.

Level 3 superspeed is maximum 700mph

No he would NOT have to run as fast as the plane to catch up to it. Do you understand? He can JUMP into orbit. Do you know how fast one has to travel to attain escape velocity? Hulk can LEAP that quickly. He cannot RUN that quickly.

Please show me any instance in a comic book wherein it states that he can run at speeds of 700mph. How about ANY OTHER guide aside from that one? The guide is WRONG, hence my stating that it is grossly inaccurate.

He does not run. He LEAPS. He, of course, takes a few steps forward first (duh, he does not broad jump) -- he LEAPS. But Hulk "experts" should know this...right?

I notice how you ONLY quote that ONE guide since it supports your inaccurate argument; in addition, you'll discount Doomsday destroying an entire GL corps, but will argue with anyone who questions Hulk's lifting 150 billion tons? How hypocritical is that? Jinzin has a very good point.

>>>Why is everyone overusing (and misusing,) the term "canon" all of a sudden?

LoL, you MIGHT want to recheck your definition of the term. Here, I'll define it FOR you:

can·on1 ( P ) Pronunciation Key (knn)
n.

A basis for judgment; a standard or criterion.

Get it? Got it? Good.

>>>>Your Marvel trading cards are completely legitimate for the purpose of debating.

Wrong.

>>>>Why would Marvel publish a guide about their character that was false?

The same reason their OFFICIAL WEBSITE has inaccurate information. The same reason they said on NUMEROUS OCCASIONS that The Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe is INCORRECT and full of INACCURACIES.

That's why.

Relax, Never, I wasn't talking about you misusing the term; I was referring to jinzin's post. I know what canon means.

What power allows Doomsday to defeat all of the Green Lanterns?

You will notice that Hulk doesn't do a standing leap to catch the airplane. If he could, he would. He doesn't take one or two steps; he runs to gain some ground, and then leaps to mount it. There are other comics in which he displays this speed, but they are beyond my recollection. I will post them, as soon as I can remember the issues.

A Hulk expert? When did I ever profess to be one of those?

It requires speed of much more than 700mph to break Earth's gravity. Hulk can run quite fast. It may not be 700mph exactly but it is certainly more than you suppose.

What is so innacurate about Marvel's website? (Besides the bugs and typos of course. You'd think they would check it for errors more often.)

Gimmie some examples of the Handbook being innacurate. Maybe you were a little innaccurate.

well than cartoon's can be counted if everysingle facts counted. Writers make changes , and powermodification to charcharter for curtain stories. So it is very posible that in the hulk situation the high leap was nessary.
As for Official etc. there are too many plot hole that best thing is use general knowlege from comics.

For instance: Doomsday got beat by superman in the comic twice. Which should never happend.

and doomsday beating the GL corp was just really stupid , if he could beat the corp how can superman even give him a fight?

>>>Relax, Never, I wasn't talking about you misusing the term; I was referring to jinzin's post. I know what canon means.

Then I apologize. It sounded as if you were referencing me.

>>>What power allows Doomsday to defeat all of the Green Lanterns?

Speed, immortality, indestructibility, strength?

>>>You will notice that Hulk doesn't do a standing leap to catch the airplane. If he could, he would. He doesn't take one or two steps; he runs to gain some ground, and then leaps to mount it.

Look. Hulk does not run, he leaps. Give Hulk 50 miles to cover (he easily covers 3 miles between leaps). He MIGHT run 2-3 steps first, then LEAP. 3 miles, lands on ONE foot, LEAP. 3 miles, lands on ONE foot, LEAP. That's not running. That is why I keep saying he is not running that fast, he is LEAPING.

Have you seen the movie? They illustrate it there. That's how Hulk travels. Running? Is that not taking what, I don't know, 75 steps in a 100 meter dash (just a rough estimate)? Hulk would Jump, land, Jump, land, Jump, land, Jump.

And he is capable of travelling way faster than 700mph.

>>>A Hulk expert? When did I ever profess to be one of those?

You asked me rather sarcastically how much I know. I returned the favor.

>>>It requires speed of much more than 700mph to break Earth's gravity. Hulk can run quite fast. It may not be 700mph exactly but it is certainly more than you suppose.

YES! And he did not RUN into space, he JUMPED!

>>>What is so innacurate about Marvel's website? (Besides the bugs and typos of course. You'd think they would check it for errors more often.)

Okay. www.marvel.com.

Spiderman. Fighting skills -- 4.

Wolverine. Fighting skills -- 7?

SHANG CHI? Fighting skills - 5???

Dardevil. Fighting skills -- 5.

The Human Torch. Fighting skills -- 4.

Juggernaut. Fighting skills -- 3?????

Black Panther. Fighting skills -- 5???

Captain America. Fighting skills -- 7?? (after BP's ancestor destroyed Cap? And it has been stated on eleventy bazillion occasions that he and BP are about equal? Batman pretty much stalemated Cap, so according to this, Wolverine is about equal to Captain America? Yeah right)

Beast -- STRENGTH -- 5???

Spiderman -- STRENGTH -- 4?????

Wolverine -- STRENGTH -- 4?????

HELLO? Spidey lifts 10 tons; Wolverine, HALF of one ton. Beast? LESS or equal to Wolverine, but NO WAY IN HELL STRONGER THAN SPIDER MAN!

*slams gavel*

I rest my case, your honor.

Apology accepted.

Hulk has every one of the powers you just mentioned. Except for (as you know) the fact that his strength increases indefinitely. You forgot one; Doomsday develops immunities through defeat.

Inaccuracies?

Over his 200 years of existence, Wolverine has mastered every form of combat.

Level 4 includes strengths from >800lbs to 25 tons. Spiderman and Wolverine both fall in this category.

Spiderman is not a master of any forms of combat (a level 4.)

Shang Chi is a master of Kung Fu. Not every fighting style (level 7.)

Black Panther is far more intelligent than Captain America, though Captain America is a much better fighter; he has mastered all forms of combat. In every other category they are equal. What he lacks in fighting skills, BP more than makes up for with his wit. That would explain the equality statement

Beast is very likely stronger than Spiderman. Judging his feats, Beast should be able to lift at least 30 tons - Maximum 40. What is your source for measuring Beast's strength?

Since when has Juggernaut proven himself to be a great fighter? He uses brute force alone, and no tactics whatsoever.

I don't see any inconsistancies on the site. Perhaps your alleged "inaccuracies" are merely deviations from your expectations.

>>>Level 4 includes strengths from >800lbs to 25 tons. Spiderman and Wolverine both fall in this category.

Lol...ROFL...oh God.

So prithee...how does one who takes this site's listing as gospel...explain them listing...BEAST...Hank McCoy..."oh my stars and garters..." as lifting MORE than Spiderman, and according to that site, more than 25 tons?

LMAO!

>>>Over his 200 years of existence, Wolverine has mastered every form of combat.

Wrong. LoL, that's about as wrong as one can get.

>>>Black Panther is far more intelligent than Captain America, though Captain America is a much better fighter; he has mastered all forms of combat.

Wrong. Is that why they stalemated so often? Is that why BP's ancestor destroyed Captain America? Captain America has NEVER mastered "all forms of combat." Never. Ever. Ever. He has, however:

"Captain America has mastered the martial art of American-style boxing and judo, and has combined these disciplines with his own unique hand-to-hand style of combat."

TWO martial arts, and combined them with his own style. LoL @ Captain American knowing Capoeira, Nin-po, Taekwando, Kempo. WRONG.

>>>Shang Chi is a master of Kung Fu. Not every fighting style (level 7.)

I see. So Captain America has mastered every form of combat also? NO.

>>>Beast is very likely stronger than Spiderman. Judging his feats, Beast should be able to lift at least 30 tons - Maximum 40. What is your source for measuring Beast's strength?

*scratches head* Seriously, do you read comic books? Show me ONE 30-ton feat, since you are judging by them. One. Just one. Any one.

"The Beast has the superhuman strength, agility, endurance, speed and dexterity. He is strong enough to lift (press) 2,000 pounds."

I am also seeing newer sites that list him as "Class 10 strength" (although I have NEVER seen The Beast lift anything remotely close to even 3 tons). Let's just say, for the sake of argument, that he received an upgrade to Class 10 (10 tons).

The site still says he is stronger than Spiderman.

LoL @ 40 tons. That site is inaccurate.

>>>I don't see any inconsistancies on the site. Perhaps your alleged "inaccuracies" are merely deviations from your expectations.

More like you do not know enough about comics to recognize inaccuracies when you see them.

Cosmic Cube, you should stop argueing with Never. All I see is Never humiliating you.

I guess I should bow out now and save face. *sigh*

Say, aren't you the same guy who says Doomsday is faster than Flash?

www.marveldirectory.com, eh? So a fansite is more credible than Marvel.com, right? I know that's where your getting all of your information.

In the past, Beast has defeated Iron Man, and fought the Juggernaut. Recently, he has been made to be even more powerful.

I have the "Marvel Encyclopedia: X-Men" as well. It also says that Beast has level 5 strength. But that's probably inaccurate too, right.?marveldirectory.com is far more tentative than either the marvel.com website or any of their encyclopedias. Perhaps you don't know as much as you thought you did.

A plot can allow for anything. Black Panther's ancestor defeating Captain America does not necessarily prove that he is a better fighter, and if it does, perhaps Black Panther's Ancestor's fighting skills were also level 7.

LoL @ comparing marveldirectory.com to marvel.com

The fact that you don't agree with a stat doesn't make it wrong.

doomsday faster than flash now that's a joke.

People heard someone say something in comics , and they take it serious.

here is what doom said : am the strongest no one in the universe can stop me , was that true no

so just cuz sups said that he was a blur means shit . I never saw him move that fast.

Cosmic Cube how did you get beast in this lol

but i agree with you somewhat , but there are lots of mistake in stats also

The flash "Manhunter alone can defeat Hulk and Juggernaut"

that shows how much the flash knows LMAO

and both Cosmic Cube and never you guys just viewing same thing in differents ways no one is actually wrong. marvel.com did have mistake but most were acurate to the comics and marveldictory has mistakes too but if i had to choose marvel.com will more likely be more acurate since it's official

Originally posted by The Flash
Cosmic Cube, you should stop argueing with Never. All I see is Never humiliating you.

Originally posted by Never
explain them listing...BEAST...Hank McCoy..."oh my stars and garters..." as lifting MORE than Spiderman, and according to that site, more than 25 tons?

LMAO!

Originally posted by kgkg
The flash "Manhunter alone can defeat Hulk and Juggernaut"

that shows how much the flash knows LMAO

Originally posted by The Flash
Do you even know anything about Manhunter?

...one of the guys DD beat the shit up? Gee, I wonder how that happened? DD used his heat vision or fire powers to beat MM right? Oh wait, he doesn't have that power. He's a brick; MM got punched really hard didn't he just the other JLA.

MM would wreck DD too if DD had a sane mind. Too bad for DD he doesn't have intangibility and telepathy, cause he ain't going to win this. What's he going to do? Punch Hulk and Juggernaut really hard and expect it to work?

"thanks Jinzin - I will look for the graphic novel then!"

yeah if you want I'll give you the complete names of the three DD graphic novels that i know of to make your search a bit easier.

"I say it is impossible for Doomsday to beat all of the Green Lanterns without resurrecting himself several times. Combined, it should be fairly easy for the Green Lanterns to incapacitate him. The reason Doomsday beat them is called "plot induced stupidity." The writers allow Doomsday beat all of the Green Lanterns so that he can prove himself (in the eyes of the readers,) a worthy foe for Superman. If Doomsday wasn't killed at least once by the GL Corps, I'm sorry but it was poor writing. Either that, or the GL Corps is absolutely nothing. Take your pick."

well he did it, and you can't disporve that he did it, that's the end of the argument right there.....also doomsday doesn't nessessarly have to "die" to become immune or evolve to an attack.

"What power allows Doomsday to defeat all of the Green Lanterns?"

Doomsday,,,enough said.

"For instance: Doomsday got beat by superman in the comic twice. Which should never happend."

physically,,superman never beat DD twice,,,,,unless you're reffering to the time he beat Doomsday rex who isn't the same creature as doomsday in a semantic sense. Doomsday beating the entirety of the JLA twice didn't have any circumstances,,,,,however, Doomsday laying waste to the entire Green lantern corps.....well let me let EVERYONE in on some vital information for this one since all the Doomsday fans/voters seem to be omitting the rest of the peeps from it. What makes that fight feasible, is that DD attacked the GL corpse WITH A GREEN LANTERN RING. His power was increased astronamically and only became greater due to his rage induced will power which in turn makes the GL ring stronger/more effective. His being able to beat the GL corps from thereon is more than credible my friends.

"Say, aren't you the same guy who says Doomsday is faster than Flash?"

Nope I think it was superman himself that said that actually.

"What's he going to do? Punch Hulk and Juggernaut really hard and expect it to work?"

Like I said Darkseid is = to Thanos. DD beat the **** out of darkseid. Are you implying that Hulk, and Juggs alone can take on Thanos? pfffthhahahahahaha! oh man I pity you.

Nobody said he had a GL ring at the time. Without it, the Lanterns could of easily stopped him.

And Thanos and Darkseid maybe be equal but they have different abilities.

"Nobody said he had a GL ring at the time. Without it, the Lanterns could of easily stopped him."

I doubtthey could have easily stopped him, perhaps they would have only lost hundreds instead of thousands. but yeah he definitely would not have won at least.

"And Thanos and Darkseid maybe be equal but they have different abilities."

answer the question!

Originally posted by jinzin
I doubtthey could have easily stopped him, perhaps they would have only lost hundreds instead of thousands. but yeah he definitely would not have won at least.

answer the question!

"They could of thrown him into space and set him stationary so he couldn't go anywhere. Or put him into orbit around a planet. He can't do much without flight and nothing to push off against."

hasn't stopped him before, don't ask me how he propells through space cause I don't know.

"Dun wanna"

lol, fair enough.

Originally posted by jinzin
well he did it, and you can't disporve that he did it, that's the end of the argument right there.....also doomsday doesn't nessessarly have to "die" to become immune or evolve to an attack.

Doomsday,,,enough said.

Like I said Darkseid is = to Thanos. DD beat the **** out of darkseid. Are you implying that Hulk, and Juggs alone can take on Thanos? pfffthhahahahahaha! oh man I pity you. [/B]

I see that he defeated the GL corps. I'm not trying to disprove the fact that he did. I am saying that Doomsday defeating the GL Corps is an example of plot induced stupidity.

So strength, speed, endurance, and regeneration allowed Doomsday to take down the GL Corps, eh? In that case, Hulk, Juggernaut, Abomination, Solomon Grundy, or any other powerhouse should be able to take down the GL corps, no problem. They are nothing. Either that, or the story involved plot induced stupidity.

Darkseid = Thanos? Prove it. Show me how Darkseid (who loses to Superman, no less,) has proven himself to be equal to Thanos. Tell me one extraneous power the two share.