Okay, this is my last post on this particular topic.
Cosmiccube you are mistaken.
First and foremost, Superman has no limit to how much solar energy he can absorb. It has never been stated in the Superman comics that Superman has a limit to how much he can absorb. For example, DC One Million. Superman hybernates in the sun for 16,000 years, only to emerge to destroy Solaris.
Also about Superman's strength vs Hulks strength. I mentioned before about Superman pushing War World. I failed to mention that not only was Superman pushing War-World (which engaged a full-throttle counter measure), he was pushing against the power of Imperiex Prime! Imperiex is a destroyer of galaxies and was planning on starting another Big Bang!
Here is a more detailed description of the event.
After emerging from the sun energized, Superman physically pushed WarWorld, (a small, Pluto-sized planet) across the solar system and into a boom tube. WarWorld did engage a "full throttle countermeasure" in resistance Superman's push.
We can see WarWorld's engines (which encompass nearly an entire hemisphere of WarWorld?s surface) firing in resistance, to no avail. WarWorlds engines allow WarWorld to travel at faster than light speeds through space, so they generate the power to accelerate a planet beyond light speed.
"How is he moving my planet! The Kryptonian does not have that power!"
Braniac?s disbelief is reasonable since WarWorld?s engines had no shortage of power. WarWorld had just pirated the energy of Imperiex - energy gleaned from the devouring of many galaxies. (Hence Imperiex?s reputation as the "Devourer of Galaxies."😉
This feat alone is better than the Hulk moving the anti-matter orbs. No one can deny that Superman is stronger.
Originally posted by Sentry
Look Superman is being pulled faster than he wants to go.99% speed of light?
Pffttt... Look He's struggling at Mach 50... Then at Mach 1000, it's actually hurting him.
Superman in his recent comics had trouble catching bullets.
What issue is that? Superman can move at 99% the speed of light. See his speed feats below.
Superman #13: Flew around the equator in a matter of seconds, indicating a speed of well over 1,000,000 mph, or roughly 1350 times the speed of sound.
Man of Steel #110: Standing in one spot, Superman used his super speed to vibrate his body invisible.
Superman #175: Taking another speed trick from the Flash?s book of tricks, Superman used his super speed to vibrate his body intangible, thus allowing Doomsday?s punches and fire-breath to pass harmlessly through him. A body moving at light speed within an atmosphere will become intangible (that?s how the Flash does it).
Return of Superman: Superman used his speed to vibrate his arm so fast, it shattered the Cyborg?s body into hundreds of fragments.
After racing the Man of Steel, Impulse stated that Superman travels at 99% of the speed of light.
War of the Gods #4: Superman actually out-raced an energy beam to its target. In JLA: Heavens Ladder, it is stated that Superman can race a photon to its target.
Lex 2000 special: Superman made the trip from Earth to Saturn in well under 4 minutes. By comparison, light takes about 19 minutes to make this trip.
In JLA # 51, Superman apparently made the trip from Saturn to Earth in a matter of seconds.
Uuum Sentry, in your scan it said 12,668 miles per minute. Mach 1000
In my scan below, its over 2,000 miles per second. 2,000 x 60 = 120,000 miles per minute. Thats well over mach 1000. And note Supermans not screaming. Plus he flies faster than he runs. So thats an indication of how fast he really is.
Originally posted by ZephroCarnelian
Oh - and Superman has SHOWN greater feats of strength - this is without question.Greater and more abundant.
BUT - it has been stated by Hulk's creators that he does possess unlimited strength, whereas the same thing has neevr been said for Superman. 🙁
Superman has not shown greater feats of strength than the Hulk.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Uuum Sentry, in your scan it said 12,668 miles per minute. Mach 1000In my scan below, its over 2,000 miles per second. 2,000 x 60 = 120,000 miles per minute. Thats well over mach 1000. And note Supermans not screaming. Plus he flies faster than he runs. So thats an indication of how fast he really is.
I think Flash is exaggerating just a tad. In every other race, the narration says that they're moving at about 2000 miles per hour.
Superman has shown greater feats of strength than the Hulk.He's pushed a planet into a Boom Tube and he lived inside the sun for 16,000 years without any food or water or anything.That's all things the Hulk hasn't nor will he ever do.The Hulk is a strong man(I'll admit that)but not stornger than Superman.Superman is the one and only.He's the strongest hero to ever live and he'll always be the strongest.
Hulk moved the Earth with one punch. He destroyed a planet twice the size of Earth. Hulk resisted the matter antimatter attraction (infinitely more difficult than anything Superman has done. Check out 'matter-antimatter' on a physic's site.) His strength is limitless. Superman's great, but Hulk is stronger than Superman.
I'll admit Superman can beat Hulk, but Hulk is stronger.
Is this the Superman before or after Crisis on Infinite Earths? Cuz the Pre-Crisis Superman was waayyyyyy stronger than Post-Crisis Superman. And which Hulk? The original, brainless Hulk was, and still is, the strongest, however the combined intellect of Bruce Banner in the green body had the edge of combat knowledge and out-smarting techniques, not to mention his smart-ass attitude.
The Hulk is stronger than Superman, but he would lose in a fight with him. There is no limit to the Hulk's strength. The madder he gets, the stronger he gets. However, Superman has many other powers than he could use to defeat the Hulk. He could grab him and fly him into the Sun, if it was an evil version of Superman. blowup
Originally posted by olympian
"Hulk moved the Earth with one punch"When did he do that? I recall him destroying the asteroid and handling plenetary destroying forces with thunderclaps but doing that?
Hulk King Sized Annual #3.
That's not his greatest feat, either. Read Marvel Comics Presents #52. Hulk's strength is proven to be infinite. Physically, he's the strongest superhero, bar none.
Originally posted by Impediment
Is this the Superman before or after Crisis on Infinite Earths? Cuz the Pre-Crisis Superman was waayyyyyy stronger than Post-Crisis Superman. And which Hulk? The original, brainless Hulk was, and still is, the strongest, however the combined intellect of Bruce Banner in the green body had the edge of combat knowledge and out-smarting techniques, not to mention his smart-ass attitude.
The original brainless Savage Hulk was still physically stronger than pre-crisis Superman. Professor Hulk is brainy, but I don't see him having a better chance than the idiotic, but infinitely strong, Savage Hulk.
Originally posted by Leafar
The Hulk is stronger than Superman, but he would lose in a fight with him. There is no limit to the Hulk's strength. The madder he gets, the stronger he gets. However, Superman has many other powers than he could use to defeat the Hulk. He could grab him and fly him into the Sun, if it was an evil version of Superman. blowup
Hulk can survive in the Sun, but Superman could just chuck Hulk into space and end the fight. There's virtually no way to kill the Hulk.
Originally posted by Redwolf
Okay, this is my last post on this particular topic.Cosmiccube you are mistaken.
First and foremost, Superman has no limit to how much solar energy he can absorb. It has never been stated in the Superman comics that Superman has a limit to how much he can absorb. For example, DC One Million. Superman hybernates in the sun for 16,000 years, only to emerge to destroy Solaris.
Also about Superman's strength vs Hulks strength. I mentioned before about Superman pushing War World. I failed to mention that not only was Superman pushing War-World (which engaged a full-throttle counter measure), he was pushing against the power of Imperiex Prime! Imperiex is a destroyer of galaxies and was planning on starting another Big Bang!
Here is a more detailed description of the event.
After emerging from the sun energized, Superman physically pushed WarWorld, (a small, Pluto-sized planet) across the solar system and into a boom tube. WarWorld did engage a "full throttle countermeasure" in resistance Superman's push.
We can see WarWorld's engines (which encompass nearly an entire hemisphere of WarWorld?s surface) firing in resistance, to no avail. WarWorlds engines allow WarWorld to travel at faster than light speeds through space, so they generate the power to accelerate a planet beyond light speed.
"How is he moving my planet! The Kryptonian does not have that power!"
Braniac?s disbelief is reasonable since WarWorld?s engines had no shortage of power. WarWorld had just pirated the energy of Imperiex - energy gleaned from the devouring of many galaxies. (Hence Imperiex?s reputation as the "Devourer of Galaxies."😉
This feat alone is better than the Hulk moving the anti-matter orbs. No one can deny that Superman is stronger.
I honestly don't believe much of what you say. You lied about Mageddon. Superman didn't wheels. He was imprisioned in Mageddon, and his solar energy was drained to add to Mageddons power.
Imperiex had nothing to do with Superman's moving Warworld. You're just making up stuff now. He pushed Warworld into a Boom Tube, and he did so after dipping himself in the sun.
Superman does have a limit to the amount of solar energy he can absorb. Hence the name "Superman Prime." When Superman was fully charged, he emerged as Superman Prime. Even as Superman Prime, he couldn't defeat Solaris by himself.
Superman's strength immense, but it is not limitless. DC confirmed this in the Ultimate Guide to Superman. Hulk's strength, on the other hand, is limitless. Do the math.
Each of the orbs Hulk held had infinite inertial mass, and an infinitely powerful force of attraction between them. Hulk punched one of the orbs billions of miles away into deep space. Nothing Superman has done remotely compares.
You can't prove Superman is stronger than Hulk, simply because he isn't. Just about everyone agrees. Hulk is stronger than Superman, and any other Superhero. Hate to break it to you, but Hulk is physically stronger than Superman, and that you cannot deny.
I hear alot people saying Superman Prime beat Solaris all by himself too. WIch is crapolla. He only did because he had something called a green lantern ring. And the help of Kyle.
And Superman moving Warlord doesnt count if your talking regular Supes. He was indeed sundiped. Over the top versions are one thing and regular anothers.
About Hulk being the physically stronger. He doesnt start as it. Its when he gets uber pissed that he reachs a level above the regular top tier. But infinitive? nah. He never reached that.
Hulk strengh being limitess so far is hyperbole. He never showed it.
And pre crisis Supes did had challengs. Mongul kicked him all the time. Validus too. Darkseid when he wasent jobbing. And all the characters related or having the strengh of Heracles wer his rivals. Like Shavam ( a supes enemy i think its the correct name ) Wonder Woman who pre crisis had his strenght. And lets not forget his rivality with Captain Marvel with both winning at each other.
Finally you had Heracles itself who was also his rival in his stories.