Originally posted by Eteric
Superman could take down the Hulk. One is limited by rage, one is limited by how long our sun stays yellow.
Superman's strength is limited. It is limited by how much sunlight his body retains. The more sunlight Superman uses, the weaker he becomes.
Hulk's strength isn't limited by anything.
Superman can beat Hulk. Hulk also has a decent chance of beating Superman.
Regardless, Hulk is stronger than Superman, or any other Superhero.
Originally posted by ZephroCarnelian
Oh - and Superman has SHOWN greater feats of strength - this is without question.Greater and more abundant.
BUT - it has been stated by Hulk's creators that he does possess unlimited strength, whereas the same thing has neevr been said for Superman. 🙁
It'll take Hulk awhile to be as strong as Superman.
Originally posted by olympian
Hulk strengh being limitess so far is hyperbole. He never showed it.
Yes, he did.
In MCP #52 Hulk resisted the force of attraction between matter and antimatter. The force of attraction between matter and antimatter is irresistable. It is a force of infinite magnitude. Yet, Hulk is able to overcome the infinite inertial mass of the matter and antimatter orbs, and the irresistable force of attraction between the two.
Hulk has displayed limitless strength on several occasions. No hyperbole.
Originally posted by whirlysplat
Supes strength increases the more Stressed he becomes as does his durability, prelude to infinite crisis 😄
PC Supes? I think he exercised more and more of the immense strength that he already possesses, rather than actually gaining strength. He still does that Post-Crisis. The only way he actually gets stronger is via absorbing Sunlight. Regardless, he has a max.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
PC Supes? I think he exercised more and more of the immense strength that he already possesses, rather than actually gaining strength. He still does that Post-Crisis. The only way he actually gets stronger is via absorbing Sunlight. Regardless, he has a max.
hmm his max wasn't reached after a long hibernation and no pre crisis if he was well written was constant. trust me on this 😄
Originally posted by whirlysplat
hmm his max wasn't reached after a long hibernation and no pre crisis if he was well written was constant. trust me on this 😄
Superman was unable to carry the miniture black hole in JLA #77. John Stewart had to help him. Superman has a maximum output of strength, and he has reached it from time to time. Superman Prime is the pinnicle of Superman's power, or his limit. Like any battery, he has a limit to how much power he can store.
Regardless, Superman does not have a source of limitless power. Hulk has a pocket universe of infinite power inside of him.
"In MCP #52 Hulk resisted the force of attraction between matter and antimatter. The force of attraction between matter and antimatter is irresistable. It is a force of infinite magnitude. Yet, Hulk is able to overcome the infinite inertial mass of the matter and antimatter orbs, and the irresistable force of attraction between the two.
Hulk has displayed limitless strength on several occasions. No hyperbole."
Hulk has displayed strengh over the high class of 100 guys so far. Its impressive but its not limitess. Thor has been in the sun. Herc was eyebemed by the Stranger who is a cosmic being and survived. Surfer goes tro black holes. Is his power unlimited for example? Hes is above Hulk in power and even he gets served by either Zeus or Odin like he was nothing.
And those two arent even top dogs of the chain power at marvel. Limitess means you can overcome any being. Wich Hulk doesnt do.
Originally posted by olympian
Or a -bit- higher at MOST. And that is already trowing some doubts in the issue.
Read up on the matter antimatter attraction/annihilation on a physics site. Moving matter and antimatter apart is physically impossible. The force of attraction between matter and antimatter is infinite. To resist such a force, a force of equally infinite strength would be required. Do the math. 😉
You take the term "class 100" way too literally. Thor has lifted millions of tons without breaking a sweat. Hercules can lift WAY more than 100 tons. The same is true of Hulk, but at a much greater degree.
Thanos would own Hulk in a fight, but he's not stronger. Hulk has limitless strength, not omnipotence. He can lift anything, break anything, and he is able to physically outmatch anyone. But, limitless physical strength can only take you so far, especially against someone who's extremely versatile, or has a tactical advantage. Some people (like Cain Marko, the Juggernaut,) can't be affected at all by physical strength. Hulk can't even dream of beating someone like Galactus. His heralds have more than enough power to take Hulk down.
Even with limitless strength, one can be powerless.
The truth is, Hulk doesn't have a maximum output of strength.
Here we are again Cosmic Cube, first of all good posts, your not a rabid Hulk fanboy and i like it 😉
Second, i would have to disagree with one thing at first. Yes what Hulk did in that case was impossible. This is comic books where heroes, especially the Top Tier do impossble things over and over again. Just look at Superman. Look at Surfer going into black holes. Thor getting into the heart of the sun to talk to an elder god and travelling galaxies. Jugs "drinking" more power and being able to punch dimensions. Heracles helding the heavens (uranos an elder god ) on his back on its own. Helding is own against Zeus and managing - once- to put him down.
I know and its Hulks powerset to be able to get stronger than the top tier. Omnipotence has nothing to do with it. Thats the ability to foresee your future. To see and know everything that happens in the universe. Never being caught by surprise. Thats Gods thing.
Limitess strenght on the other hand means he ca physically overcome anything. Like if you punch an herald he goes down. Or Galactus. Or Thanos. Thing is on strenght alone he is yet to overcome Thanos, let alone other beings. Im not talking about power, im talking about strenght.
On a final note. I call it class 100 because its how its regularly known. I dont like it. Thing and Saquatch have lifted far more than 100 tons. Its ridiculous they still use that number. I think of it as a "class" instead a number. As i see all in that class- Thor. Hulk. Drax. Herc. Current She-Hulk. can all lift pretty much anything that is earth based.
A rabid Hulk fanboy would believe that Hulk can beat anyone. That is certainly not my philosophy. Hulk can exceed anyone in terms of physical strength. That certainly doesn't mean that he can't be beaten.
There is a difference between surviving a black hole or the sun and resisting the matter antimatter attraction. The gravity of a black hole can be overcome. Hulk is capable of withstanding the heat of the sun, as well. The scientists that are watching Hulk say that it is impossible for the force to be resisted. Aside from that, Hulk's strength has been said to be limitless by characters and writers alike. He has a pocket universe of infinite power within him that sustains him and.
Hulk can physically overcome anything. Hulk has a chance at defeating anyone who can't immediately wipe him off the map, like Galactus, who is on the same level as Eternity. Hulk stands no chance of actually defeating him. Hulk could exceed Thano's physical strength, and overcome him, IF Thanos gave him that chance. Hulk has limitless strength. Thanos has vast strength, cosmic energy manipulation, matter manipulation, cosmic awareness, telepathy, nigh lightspeed reflexes, and instantaneous teleportation. Way too much power and versatility for Hulk to handle. Same goes for Superman. Superman may not be as versatile as Thanos, but he isn't an idiot, and he knows that the Hulk's strength increases boundlessly. The only way for Hulk to win in a fight against Superman is if Superman goes for a slugfest, allowing Hulk to land the blows necessary to defeat him. Hulk has the strength, but Superman has him beat in just about every other category.
Though at times he is inconsistent, in terms of sheer strength, Hulk has the ability and the capacity to exceed anyone in moments.
Its the inconsistety that makes me go with the " his max has yet to be tapped " option than limitess. Limitess is such a strong - no pun intended- word. I find it hard for him using strengh for strengh - alone- beating for example a skyfather. Without amping his strengh Zeus physically beat on Namor. Hercules. Thor, and She Hulk. And all of them in less tha 5 shots each. All of them attacking at the same time.
Thanos on the other hand has taken on Prof Hulk. Herc. Thing. And Thor at the same time too. Without amping. While i know prof Hulk cannot increase his rage he still hasent reached that level.
Originally posted by olympian
Its the inconsistety that makes me go with the " his max has yet to be tapped " option than limitess. Limitess is such a strong - no pun intended- word. I find it hard for him using strengh for strengh - alone- beating for example a skyfather. Without amping his strengh Zeus physically beat on Namor. Hercules. Thor, and She Hulk. And all of them in less tha 5 shots each. All of them attacking at the same time.Thanos on the other hand has taken on Prof Hulk. Herc. Thing. And Thor at the same time too. Without amping. While i know prof Hulk cannot increase his rage he still hasent reached that level.
There really is no "his strength has yet to be tapped" notion.
Hulk beats on Namor, Hercules, Thor and She-Hulk as well. Hulk has attained the strength level of Celestials, and was able to destroy the Asgardian Destroyer. Attaining Skyfather level strength is well within his range.
That fact of the matter is that Hulk's strength doesn't have any limits. There are plenty of guys who have never maxed out. None of them have been proven to possess limitless strength, except for Hulk. If resisting the matter antimatter attraction didn't force him to max out, nothing will.
"Hulk beats on Namor, Hercules, Thor and She-Hulk as well"
So far he was beaten by Namor twice. Thor never was subdued to a level where Hulk simply knocked him uncousious (if he can attain skyfather strenght level...well what is he waiting for ). Herc didnt even got ever down by the Hulk. The only one he ebats of those its his cousin.
"Hulk has attained the strength level of Celestials, and was able to destroy the Asgardian Destroyer."
No. He defeated Destryoer because Destroyer recgonize in the hulk the same spirit that was anymating him. He never wins that way. Until tat point Hulk was getting served.
Hulk never attained "celestial" strenght level. You are overrating the big Green here.
"Attaining Skyfather level strength is well within his range."
Except mayhaps he never reached this level. When he manages to be able to KO Both Namor, Immortal Herc, Thor using strengh - and- powers and another heavy hitter (and this one ill let you chose ) witout tapping his ful strenght then yes hes there.
And we all know how likely is that to happen.
Before you accuse me of overrating, ask for proof. I'm more than happy to provide it. In 'The Incredible Hulk': #242, Hulk breaks through the wall that holds the flame of life, which withstood the power of Celestials. The narration says: "He just pulls all the more, straining with every iota of his strength to rip free this infernal object...becoming madder and madder, his strength building with his anger, as he tugs against a device built to withstand the power of gods! But this is the power of the Hulk! And ultimately, there is no force stronger than the Hulk!" If Hulk were incapable of attaining strength levels greater than a Skyfather, or a Celestial, how would he achieve such a feat?
The only factors that keep Thor in fights with the Hulk are Mjolnir, and his fighting ability. Can you recall any fights between "Full-god" Hercules and Hulk? Namor was able to defeat Banner-Controlled Hulk twice. Savage Hulk stomps his ass. I can honestly tell you, and prove that Hulk has lifted far more weight than Hercules, or Thor, or Namor combined. His strength simply doesn't have a limit. He's capable of lifting whatever he needs to.