"The force between matter and antimatter is "infinite." It is irresistable. Spiderman speculated that Hulk wouldn't last, but the truth is that Hulk doesn't tire. "
That doesnt change the fact Spiderman saying Hulks not going to resist much longer and change tactics.
"Infinity cannot be reached. Hulk's strength could increase until eternity and it would never reach infinity."
Then he doesnt have limitess strenght. Its not infinite. Being stronger than any other hero is one thing and being able to match or surpass cosmic beings strenght its another.
Originally posted by olympian
"The force between matter and antimatter is "infinite." It is irresistable. Spiderman speculated that Hulk wouldn't last, but the truth is that Hulk doesn't tire. "That doesnt change the fact Spiderman saying Hulks not going to resist much longer and change tactics.
"Infinity cannot be reached. Hulk's strength could increase until eternity and it would never reach infinity."
Then he doesnt have limitess strenght. Its not infinite. Being stronger than any other hero is one thing and being able to match or surpass cosmic beings strenght its another.
Spiderman said he wouldn't last much longer because he was amazed that Hulk could resist the attraction in the first place. Spiderman needed Hulk to punch the orb into deep space, and he manipulated him into doing so. Hulk wasn't getting tired. He doesn't get tired, and he looked just fine.
Do you understand the meaning of "limitless?" His strength can increase, and increase, and increase without ever stopping. There is nothing that is too heavy for him to lift. Hulk can match or surpass anyone who doesn't have infinite strength, cosmic or non-cosmic. No, Hulk couldn't armwrestle the Living Tribunal, or Infinity; because neither of them have any limits to their power. Strength is only one aspect of power. Just about any cosmic entity higher than a Celestial can endow itself with limitless strength, if need be.
Hulk can match or exceed anyone short of the Infinity Power Gem in terms of strength. Infinity cannot be reached, period. Hulk's strength has no limit to how high it can increase. He doesn't have a maximum output of strength. Hence, it is limitless. His only limit is infinity itself, which cannot be reached, much less, surpassed.
"Spiderman said he wouldn't last much longer because he was amazed that Hulk could resist the attraction in the first place"
And saw Hulk wouldnt last longer mayhaps.
"Spiderman needed Hulk to punch the orb into deep space, and he manipulated him into doing so"
Of course he needed. Spiderman doesnt have near the strengh or durability for that. Not even a third.
"Do you understand the meaning of "limitless?" His strength can increase, and increase, and increase without ever stopping"
Yes and thats why i say he doesnt have it. Limitess means there is no limit for his strenght. Therefore= infinite.
now if you just come with this...:
"Hulk can match or surpass anyone who doesn't have infinite strength"
Then i agree.
"Hulk can match or exceed anyone short of the Infinity Power Gem in terms of strength"
Dubious. Even in term of strengh alone he is not going to Surpass either Odin or Zeus nevermind the guys - above- them and -below- Infinity and Living tribunal. Unless your telling me a Skyfather would be able to do what hulk did with only strengh.
"Infinity cannot be reached"
Wouldnt that mean that you know, hulk cant reach it.
"Hulk's strength has no limit to how high it can increase."
And here you say again he does. Or he is infinite or he isent.
"He doesn't have a maximum output of strength. Hence, it is limitless."
Hence it means its max is yet to be untapped. Doesnt mean straight away his strenght his limitess.
Originally posted by olympian
"Infinity cannot be reached"Wouldnt that mean that you know, hulk cant reach it.
"Hulk's strength has no limit to how high it can increase."
And here you say again he does. Or he is infinite or he isent.
"He doesn't have a maximum output of strength. Hence, it is limitless."
Hence it means its max is yet to be untapped. Doesnt mean straight away his strenght his limitess.
You'd have to understand the concept of infinity. It is not a number, or a value. It's a variable. The unreachable. Infinity plus one is infinity. Now matter how high a number is, it is not infinity, because infinity continues forever. Hulk's strength is near infinite. You can't get any closer than near infinite, because infinity is always X + 1.
Apparently theres no way to prove to you that Hulk does possess limitless strength. It's been stated and proven countless times. Hulk's main writer, Peter David, said that he has limitless strength. Stan Lee, Hulk's creator, has said that Hulk has limitless capacity for strength. Beyonder said it. Silver Surfer said it. Doc Samson said it. What more proof do you need? Perhaps you are simply unwilling to accept a fact.
You keep saying that his max has yet to be reached. Thats because he doesn't exist. There is no 'max' to be tapped. Inside of Hulk is a pocket universe of infinite power. The more he needs, the more he draws from the pocket universe.
Unless a Skyfather can endow himself with limitless strength, he could not do what Hulk did with his strength. The force of attraction between matter and antimatter is irresistable. Hulk's strength never stops increasing. If Hulk can become stronger than a Celestial, what's a Skyfather?
CC im not unwingly to accept anything. I want simply that its show that he has infinite strenght. Writers create characters puns. Hulk is that one. Yes writers say it but honestly i want it show in a comic background. that he -may- and that means not always- surpass others in strengh that are able to match him in strengh, its acceptable. We saw it before. That hes able to reach infinity its not.
"Unless a Skyfather can endow himself with limitless strength, he could not do what Hulk did with his strength."
They start above the Hulk in strengh to start with. They have showings that support that.
"You keep saying that his max has yet to be reached. Thats because he doesn't exist. There is no 'max' to be tapped. Inside of Hulk is a pocket universe of infinite power"
Its more accurate saying he never reached his max before. Hulk certainly never showed the infinite power he has.
"He became strong enough to wrestle the Beyonder"
Didnt Herc punched beyonder in the face and sent him flying all over the avengers building where they wer? He then got sent to a mountain and was fine too. You "need" more power to wrestle beyonder?
"CC im not unwingly to accept anything. I want simply that its show that he has infinite strenght. Writers create characters puns. Hulk is that one. Yes writers say it but honestly i want it show in a comic background. that he -may- and that means not always- surpass others in strengh that are able to match him in strengh, its acceptable. We saw it before. That hes able to reach infinity its not."
There is no 'pun'. Hulk has shown his limitless capacity for strength time and time again. Hulk can match, or surpass anyone in terms of physical strength. If they have a limit, Hulk can surpass it. Infinity is not reachable. Hulk's strength increases towards infinity without ever ceasing. He has no limitation. If Hulk lifts 10 x 10^34 tons he can lift 10 x 10^68 tons, or 10 x 10^136 tons, and he can keep increasing his strength, forever. What's so hard to understand?
"Its more accurate saying he never reached his max before. Hulk certainly never showed the infinite power he has."
How can I possibly show you that he has infinite strength? The matter antimatter attraction is an irresistable force, which cannot be overcome. Hulk overcame it with his strength alone, which is physically impossible. What type of proof are you looking for?
"They start above the Hulk in strengh to start with. They have showings that support that. "
Showings like what? Celestials are physically stronger than Skyfathers, meaning that Skyfathers have a limit to their strength. Hulk has surpassed the strength level of a Celestial. That's like saying, 'He can lift a bus, but I bet he can't lift a car.' C'mon dude.
"Didnt Herc punched beyonder in the face and sent him flying all over the avengers building where they wer? He then got sent to a mountain and was fine too. You "need" more power to wrestle beyonder?"
What issue did Hercules fight the Beyonder in? Certainly not during the Secret Wars.
One where it shows him using that infinite strengh and actually be show to surpass celestials and skyfathers on it.
Showings like what? Celestials are physically stronger than Skyfathers, meaning that Skyfathers have a limit to their strength. Hulk has surpassed the strength level of a Celestial. That's like saying, 'He can lift a bus, but I bet he can't lift a car.' C'mon dude"
A limit thats still way higer to the Hulk. And Hulk didnt surpassed the strengh of a celestial. He matched it physically for some moments before he got tired. Since skyfahers start already stronger than the Hulk and can augment theyr srengh even more, its dubious telling me they wouldnt do it.
"What issue did Hercules fight the Beyonder in? Certainly not during the Secret Wars."
It was an avengers issue of the Roger Stern era. Ill check the number and see if its from/during the events of Secret Wars 1 or 2.
CC we will just have to agree to disagree it seems. Your a good poster but im not convinced that Hulk does indeed have infinite strenght. If anything i take with a salty taste like the famous " Since Wonder Woman gets her strenght from the earth, shes strong - as- the earth itself "
Hulk surpassed the strength of a Celestial. The wall withstood the strength of Celestials without a scratch. Hulk destroyed the wall completely. He didn't get tired. He tore the device apart completely. Celestials are stronger than Skyfathers. Hulk became stronger than a Celestial. Hence, he was stronger than a Skyfather.
Hulk's strength had increased to near infinite levels when he resisted the matter antimatter attraction. Hulk isn't normally that strong. Unless a Skyfather can increase his strength to near infinite levels like Hulk can, he won't be able to resist the attraction by using strength alone.
Wonder Woman gets her strength from Gaea. From what I've heard, she's stronger than Hercules. Hercules is strong enough to support the heavens.
Hulk's strength defies logic. In Defenders #8, Hulk is trapped in a force field that repels 100% of your own power against you. Dr. Strange, Silver Surfer, and Namor all pass out trying to break out of the barriers. Hulk is only one that is able to break out the barrier. That would mean that Hulk is stronger than himself. There is plenty of evidence confirming that Hulk's strength is indeed limitless. If you want to see Hulk lifting a rock that weighs "infinity tons" or what not, that's not likely. But, you will always see Hulk doing, with his strength, what no character short of an abstract is capable of.
I guess we will have to agree to disagree. Just know that Hulk is the strongest superhero, bar none.
Originally posted by Batman Wins
Hulk aint stronger, Just because he gets madder. There is a limit to anger itself. You cant get madder than a certain point.
You don't know anything about Hulk, obviously. Read the thread. I've proven time and time again that Hulk is stronger. Then again, you think Batman can beat the Phoenix...
If you put Superman between matter and antimatter orbs, he's going to get crushed. Hulk's strength never stops increasing. Hulk doesn't just get madder and get stronger. Inside of Hulk, there is a pocket universe of infinite power. The more strength Hulk needs, the more he gains. Hence, he can resist an irresistable force.