To be honest, who cares who's stronger between the two of these guys? Superman is strong enough to put Hulk down easily and he's WAY more versatile than Hulk. Superman would beat his ass down in a fight 10/10. However, even Post-Crisis Superman has held a black hole in the palm of his hand as well as being able to fly out of a double black hole. If you compare that to some of current Hulk's strength feats.... well there is no comparison. 😉
Originally posted by Superman_045
Pre Crisis Superman was WAY stronger than Savage Hulk. If you can't see that, you MUST be crazy.
Originally posted by batdude123
To be honest, who cares who's stronger between the two of these guys? Superman is strong enough to put Hulk down easily and he's WAY more versatile than Hulk. Superman would beat his ass down in a fight 10/10. However, even Post-Crisis Superman has held a black hole in the palm of his hand as well as being able to fly out of a double black hole. If you compare that to some of current Hulk's strength feats.... well there is no comparison. 😉
BTW, what the hell is a double black hole?
Originally posted by Accel
And what do you base this off of?That's why we like to use Savage Hulk's feats instead. Currently, Hulk has no strength feats.
BTW, what the hell is a double black hole?
Here ya go 😉 :
We study the inspiral of double black holes, with masses in the LISA window of detectability, orbiting inside a massive circum-nuclear disc. Using high-resolution SPH simulations, we follow the black hole dynamics in the early phase when gas-dynamical friction acts on the black holes individually, and continue our simulation until they form a close binary. We find that in the early sinking the black holes lose memory of their initial orbital eccentricity if they co-rotate with the gaseous disc, forming a binary with a low eccentricity, consistent with zero within our numerical resolution limit. The cause of circularization resides in the rotation present in the gaseous background where dynamical friction operates. Circularization may hinder gravitational waves from taking over and leading the binary to coalescence. In the case of counter-rotating orbits the initial eccentricity does not decrease, and the black holes may bind forming an eccentric binary. When dynamical friction has subsided, for equal mass black holes and regardless their initial eccentricity, angular momentum loss, driven by the gravitational torque exerted on the binary by surrounding gas, is nevertheless observable down to the smallest scale probed. In the case of unequal masses, dynamical friction remains efficient down to our resolution limit, and there is no sign of formation of any ellipsoidal gas distribution that may further harden the binary. During inspiral, gravitational capture of gas by the black holes occurs mainly along circular orbits: eccentric orbits imply high relative velocities and weak gravitational focusing. Thus, AGN activity may be excited during the black hole pairing process and double active nuclei may form when circularization is completed, on distance-scales of tens of pcs.
Btw, if you want scans of this incident, it's in the Superman respect thread, the very first post. 😄 http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f48/t371890.html
Originally posted by Accel
And what do you base this off of?That's why we like to use Savage Hulk's feats instead. Currently, Hulk has no strength feats.
BTW, what the hell is a double black hole?
Read Pre Crisis Superman's comic books & you'll see that all of his strength feats outdo the Savage Hulk's.
Originally posted by Superman_045
Read Pre Crisis Superman's comic books & you'll see that all of his strength feats outdo the Savage Hulk's.
If so, as impressive as those are, they don't really outshine Hulk redirecting a galaxy-destroying blast or lighting up an entire cosmos with a punch.
Oh and btw, someone said I was wrong when earilier I mentioned that the Hulk lifted Thor's Hammer, saying something like it was a stick b/c Thor hadn't touched it for a minute or something. Anyway, NO! He did lift Thor's Hammer, and not only that, he wielded it and was about to crush Thor's head with it. Watch the new "Ultimate Avengers" It's a new movie that is produced and directed by Stan Lee. I think he probably has a good idea of how strong HIS characters are. lol Now, as I asked before, can Superman or has he ever lifted Thor's Hammer?
Originally posted by GODOFALL1
Oh and btw, someone said I was wrong when earilier I mentioned that the Hulk lifted Thor's Hammer, saying something like it was a stick b/c Thor hadn't touched it for a minute or something. Anyway, NO! He did lift Thor's Hammer, and not only that, he wielded it and was about to crush Thor's head with it. Watch the new "Ultimate Avengers" It's a new movie that is produced and directed by Stan Lee. I think he probably has a good idea of how strong HIS characters are. lol Now, as I asked before, can Superman or has he ever lifted Thor's Hammer?
You can't use a movie as evidence. 🤨 And besides, that was Ultimate Hulk and Ultimate Thor, not regular 616.
Originally posted by GODOFALL1
Oh and btw, someone said I was wrong when earilier I mentioned that the Hulk lifted Thor's Hammer, saying something like it was a stick b/c Thor hadn't touched it for a minute or something. Anyway, NO! He did lift Thor's Hammer, and not only that, he wielded it and was about to crush Thor's head with it. Watch the new "Ultimate Avengers" It's a new movie that is produced and directed by Stan Lee. I think he probably has a good idea of how strong HIS characters are. lol Now, as I asked before, can Superman or has he ever lifted Thor's Hammer?
But lifting the hammer isn't a strength feat. Only those who are worthy can really lift it. The hammer itself is probably weightless to anyone worthy.
Originally posted by GODOFALL1
Aren't you guys forgeting about weaknesses? I mean Superman is in trouble if there is kryptonite around right? So, if the Hulk had a nice chunk in his hand, and had Superman in a powerful headlock at the same time, you're gonna tell me that Superman wouldn't wilt???????
Kryptonite doesn't really hurt Superman now.
OH yeah i forgot. He is most overly written, abused character EVER!! Hey, Im superman and kryptonite hurts me. Oh wait, now it doesn't b/c of my writers. I need a yellow sun, oh wait, now I don't. I've got 1000 years of martial arts experience, but I don't use or display it b/c i dont need to. Hey im superman and iv'e got like 50 different powers, oh wait, the writers just gave me some more. Did I mention I have the Sword of Heaven too? I'll never lose a fight to anyone b/c of my PIS(Plot Induced Stupidity).........oh once again, thanx to the writers. What an overwritten, abused character. {shaking head}
OK, first of all, I agree with the opinion that Hulk get bigger, meaner, faster and stronger the more pissed off he gets. Second, any grudge match argument based on the Amalgam Universe is null and void, because, as was already stated, it was nothing more than a shameless money making popularity contest. Thirdly, Goku (though ridiculously powerful) is just a Japanese knockoff of the long established Marvel and
DC characters, and as we all know, and Japanese copies off western
culture always turns out that little better because they are still pissed that they lost WWII. So he doesn't count as an unbiased contender.
The fact is, as has been established in numerous comics (Imperiex War) and now the Justice League cartoon (Supes Vs Darksied), Superman has always held back some of his strength. he has never truly let rip 100%. If it came to a fight between Big Blue and Jolly Green I think Supes would win. If only just. Simply because he has more than just brute strength.
Originally posted by GODOFALL1
Aren't you guys forgeting about weaknesses? I mean Superman is in trouble if there is kryptonite around right? So, if the Hulk had a nice chunk in his hand, and had Superman in a powerful headlock at the same time, you're gonna tell me that Superman wouldn't wilt???????
Like hulk would even be able to spell kryptonitelaughing. And if supes really wanted to beat hulk, all he wud have to do is hover high enough from Hulk and then he cud lobotomize hulk with his heat vision if he is really pissed
When it comes to strenght, Supes is even unlimited coz he is fueled by the sun. And he holds some of his strenght back, everybody knows dat and chrisdabeard has also stated this.
Originally posted by Superman_045
And your point is? Every character changes, he's been out for almost 70 years, why would they keep the stories the same? Your point is moot.
Originally posted by chrisdabeard
OK, first of all, I agree with the opinion that Hulk get bigger, meaner, faster and stronger the more pissed off he gets. Second, any grudge match argument based on the Amalgam Universe is null and void, because, as was already stated, it was nothing more than a shameless money making popularity contest. Thirdly, Goku (though ridiculously powerful) is just a Japanese knockoff of the long established Marvel and
DC characters, and as we all know, and Japanese copies off western
culture always turns out that little better because they are still pissed that they lost WWII. So he doesn't count as an unbiased contender.The fact is, as has been established in numerous comics (Imperiex War) and now the Justice League cartoon (Supes Vs Darksied), Superman has always held back some of his strength. he has never truly let rip 100%. If it came to a fight between Big Blue and Jolly Green I think Supes would win. If only just. Simply because he has more than just brute strength.
Originally posted by Accel
Agreed. Not even Superman can hold the same routine for seven decades without becoming really stale.True, but this isn't a fight. It's asking who's stronger.
Well obviously the only way to see who is stronger is thru a fight. What do u want them to lift dumbells or somethinlaughing.
No offence but those guys can lift anythin on earth.
By the way, WTF does Goku have to do in a test between Green Guy n Big Blue?
Hey ur avatar's of Sonic. Any1 with Shadow n we make the coolest team around.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Well obviously the only way to see who is stronger is thru a fight. What do u want them to lift dumbells or somethinlaughing.
No offence but those guys can lift anythin on earth.